Rich Posted September 15, 2018 Share Posted September 15, 2018 That 2nd half was just woeful Desperate, aye. Was quite content at half time too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
shakey jake Posted September 15, 2018 Share Posted September 15, 2018 It’s almost as if we play our shit players, we lose. How bizarre Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zero Posted September 15, 2018 Share Posted September 15, 2018 It's normal to lose to Arsenal imo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
morla84 Posted September 15, 2018 Share Posted September 15, 2018 Paul Dummett taking a corner sums it all up Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ElCid Posted September 15, 2018 Share Posted September 15, 2018 So we should have started with an unfit Shelvey and Rondon, that’s your great plan? If they are unfit they shouldn't even be on the bench and Rondon certainly didn't seem unfit during the week. Eh players come back from injury and onto the bench all the time. Like literally all the time. I don’t know what condition Rondon and Shelvey are in, I’m just assuming there’s legitimate reasons they were on the bench and then never came on. There’s multiple reasons why that could have happened. So why are they on the bench if you're not fit you're not fit and why not bring them on then. If they're fit enough to be on the bench then their fit enough to play the majority of the game. I can understand not the full 90 but to not even bring them on is just totally inexcusable. They were probably on the bench in case we were down one goal with 10 or 15 minutes to go. When Arsenal went two up Rafa probably felt that the risk of bringing them on wasn't worth it when we probably wouldn't get back into the game anyway Still doesn't work for me as I said you have nearly a full house paying good money to see a manager accepting a defeat. What happens if he brought them on say with 15 mintues to go (I will still argue with anybody they should have started) and they get a goal and the match then changes. It might not but surely people paying good money deserve to see a team attempting to get something out of any game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conjo Posted September 15, 2018 Share Posted September 15, 2018 At least we nicked a goal so my two Arsenal defenders on fpl doesnt get any points to soothe the pain of another loss. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted September 15, 2018 Share Posted September 15, 2018 Have you honestly never seen players lacking fitness being put on the bench before? They might have been there purely as an emergency incase of injury to Joselu or one of our midfielders. Like I have no idea but them being on the bench = they can play the majority of the game has never been the case. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Icke - Son of God Posted September 15, 2018 Share Posted September 15, 2018 The whole 'they shouldn't be on the bench of they're not 100%' argument falls to bits when you realise our lack of depth makes that virtually impossible. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggs Posted September 15, 2018 Share Posted September 15, 2018 So we should have started with an unfit Shelvey and Rondon, that’s your great plan? If they are unfit they shouldn't even be on the bench and Rondon certainly didn't seem unfit during the week. Eh players come back from injury and onto the bench all the time. Like literally all the time. I don’t know what condition Rondon and Shelvey are in, I’m just assuming there’s legitimate reasons they were on the bench and then never came on. There’s multiple reasons why that could have happened. So why are they on the bench if you're not fit you're not fit and why not bring them on then. If they're fit enough to be on the bench then their fit enough to play the majority of the game. I can understand not the full 90 but to not even bring them on is just totally inexcusable. They were probably on the bench in case we were down one goal with 10 or 15 minutes to go. When Arsenal went two up Rafa probably felt that the risk of bringing them on wasn't worth it when we probably wouldn't get back into the game anyway Still doesn't work for me as I said you have nearly a full house paying good money to see a manager accepting a defeat. What happens if he brought them on say with 15 mintues to go (I will still argue with anybody they should have started) and they get a goal and the match then changes. It might not but surely people paying good money deserve to see a team attempting to get something out of any game. Rafa isn't about entertaining the fans, he's about getting results and he probably thought that keeping those two players fresh and injury free was more beneficial than putting them on for 15 minutes when it probably wouldn't change anything and they might get injured again Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToonArmy1892 Posted September 15, 2018 Share Posted September 15, 2018 What were the Ashley chants in the ground like? Loud or half arsed? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted September 15, 2018 Share Posted September 15, 2018 It is possible they were completely fit and Rafa just never picked them like. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggs Posted September 15, 2018 Share Posted September 15, 2018 It is possible they were completely fit and Rafa just never picked them like. Well that would be pretty mental then IMO Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted September 15, 2018 Share Posted September 15, 2018 Still doesn't work for me as I said you have nearly a full house paying good money to see a manager accepting a defeat. you're just shouting into the void man, rafa's in his 3rd year here and he's seen and done more then every single other person in the fucking stadium so why are you still peddling this? haven't you been paying attention? given the constraints he's working under entertainment will be very far down his list of priorities Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ElCid Posted September 15, 2018 Share Posted September 15, 2018 So we should have started with an unfit Shelvey and Rondon, that’s your great plan? If they are unfit they shouldn't even be on the bench and Rondon certainly didn't seem unfit during the week. Eh players come back from injury and onto the bench all the time. Like literally all the time. I don’t know what condition Rondon and Shelvey are in, I’m just assuming there’s legitimate reasons they were on the bench and then never came on. There’s multiple reasons why that could have happened. So why are they on the bench if you're not fit you're not fit and why not bring them on then. If they're fit enough to be on the bench then their fit enough to play the majority of the game. I can understand not the full 90 but to not even bring them on is just totally inexcusable. They were probably on the bench in case we were down one goal with 10 or 15 minutes to go. When Arsenal went two up Rafa probably felt that the risk of bringing them on wasn't worth it when we probably wouldn't get back into the game anyway Still doesn't work for me as I said you have nearly a full house paying good money to see a manager accepting a defeat. What happens if he brought them on say with 15 mintues to go (I will still argue with anybody they should have started) and they get a goal and the match then changes. It might not but surely people paying good money deserve to see a team attempting to get something out of any game. Rafa isn't about entertaining the fans, he's about getting results and he probably thought that keeping those two players fresh and injury free was more beneficial than putting them on for 15 minutes when it probably wouldn't change anything and they might get injured again Don't agree sorry that team selection and lack of substitutes stinks you say it's about getting results well it certainly isn't working this season that's for sure. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Icke - Son of God Posted September 15, 2018 Share Posted September 15, 2018 It is possible they were completely fit and Rafa just never picked them like. In the unlikely event that was the case, it's inconceivable he wouldn't bring them on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilko Posted September 15, 2018 Share Posted September 15, 2018 Fernandez looked canny. The rest all varied from barely average to utter shit. Rafa included. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToonArmy1892 Posted September 15, 2018 Share Posted September 15, 2018 I am feeling flat as fuck here, wish i didn't care sometimes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted September 15, 2018 Share Posted September 15, 2018 It is possible they were completely fit and Rafa just never picked them like. Well that would be pretty mental then IMO Oh aye deffinitely, I just mean that as a critisism that’s fair enough if it turns out they were fit. Rafa is known for picking teams based on their assesment in training so I don’t think it’s too outlandish tbh More so with Rondon than Shelvey like. I just don’t get the notion that if you’re fit enough for the bench then you're fit enough to start. I’ve never seen that argued in my entire life watching football. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggs Posted September 15, 2018 Share Posted September 15, 2018 So we should have started with an unfit Shelvey and Rondon, that’s your great plan? If they are unfit they shouldn't even be on the bench and Rondon certainly didn't seem unfit during the week. Eh players come back from injury and onto the bench all the time. Like literally all the time. I don’t know what condition Rondon and Shelvey are in, I’m just assuming there’s legitimate reasons they were on the bench and then never came on. There’s multiple reasons why that could have happened. So why are they on the bench if you're not fit you're not fit and why not bring them on then. If they're fit enough to be on the bench then their fit enough to play the majority of the game. I can understand not the full 90 but to not even bring them on is just totally inexcusable. They were probably on the bench in case we were down one goal with 10 or 15 minutes to go. When Arsenal went two up Rafa probably felt that the risk of bringing them on wasn't worth it when we probably wouldn't get back into the game anyway Still doesn't work for me as I said you have nearly a full house paying good money to see a manager accepting a defeat. What happens if he brought them on say with 15 mintues to go (I will still argue with anybody they should have started) and they get a goal and the match then changes. It might not but surely people paying good money deserve to see a team attempting to get something out of any game. Rafa isn't about entertaining the fans, he's about getting results and he probably thought that keeping those two players fresh and injury free was more beneficial than putting them on for 15 minutes when it probably wouldn't change anything and they might get injured again Don't agree sorry that team selection and lack of substitutes stinks you say it's about getting results well it certainly isn't working this season that's for sure. Well like its impossible for anyone here to know what condition Rondon and Shelvey were in Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bimpy474 Posted September 15, 2018 Share Posted September 15, 2018 Fernandez looked canny. The rest all varied from barely average to utter shit. Rafa included. Who put in a great cross our that wingers couldn't and that's their fucking job Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggs Posted September 15, 2018 Share Posted September 15, 2018 Fernandez looked canny. The rest all varied from barely average to utter shit. Rafa included. Thought Yedlin was decent too, Ritchie was decent first half but not much he could do second half with how much Arsenal dominated Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted September 15, 2018 Share Posted September 15, 2018 well who fucking knew Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
toontownman Posted September 15, 2018 Share Posted September 15, 2018 Shame about the free-kick for the goal but otherwise Fernandez definitely looked decent. Hopefully Schar can aclimatise to push for minutes. The competition will certainly be good for Jamaal. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted September 15, 2018 Share Posted September 15, 2018 It is possible they were completely fit and Rafa just never picked them like. Well that would be pretty mental then IMO Oh aye deffinitely, I just mean that as a critisism that’s fair enough if it turns out they were fit. Rafa is known for picking teams based on their assesment in training so I don’t think it’s too outlandish tbh More so with Rondon than Shelvey like. I just don’t get the notion that if you’re fit enough for the bench then you're fit enough to start. I’ve never seen that argued in my entire life watching football. When it was mentioned that Rondon was returning from a late trip to South America, it was always on the cards he wouldn't be starting, fit or not. Rafa is very firm on things like that, you could imagine someone like Pardew would have pitched him straight in off the plane if he had to. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted September 15, 2018 Share Posted September 15, 2018 So we should have started with an unfit Shelvey and Rondon, that’s your great plan? If they are unfit they shouldn't even be on the bench and Rondon certainly didn't seem unfit during the week. Eh players come back from injury and onto the bench all the time. Like literally all the time. I don’t know what condition Rondon and Shelvey are in, I’m just assuming there’s legitimate reasons they were on the bench and then never came on. There’s multiple reasons why that could have happened. So why are they on the bench if you're not fit you're not fit and why not bring them on then. If they're fit enough to be on the bench then their fit enough to play the majority of the game. I can understand not the full 90 but to not even bring them on is just totally inexcusable. They were probably on the bench in case we were down one goal with 10 or 15 minutes to go. When Arsenal went two up Rafa probably felt that the risk of bringing them on wasn't worth it when we probably wouldn't get back into the game anyway Still doesn't work for me as I said you have nearly a full house paying good money to see a manager accepting a defeat. What happens if he brought them on say with 15 mintues to go (I will still argue with anybody they should have started) and they get a goal and the match then changes. It might not but surely people paying good money deserve to see a team attempting to get something out of any game. Rafa isn't about entertaining the fans, he's about getting results and he probably thought that keeping those two players fresh and injury free was more beneficial than putting them on for 15 minutes when it probably wouldn't change anything and they might get injured again Don't agree sorry that team selection and lack of substitutes stinks you say it's about getting results well it certainly isn't working this season that's for sure. Against who? Man City, Chelsea, Arsenal, Spurs, and Cardiff? I had us down to do better today, but howeh, we're a penalty miss away from where everyone expected really. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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