HaydnNUFC Posted February 18, 2022 Share Posted February 18, 2022 3 minutes ago, Yorkie said: That's fair but what I mean is he was probably never going to amount to anything here once summer 2019 happened, even in spite of getting on the scoresheet a few times. Could say that about every single player we've had since then until the takeover though tbf. He's a useful, likeable player when utilised correctly but the system we play doesn't allow that which is fine, we move on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted February 18, 2022 Share Posted February 18, 2022 40 minutes ago, HTT II said: So why doesn’t he spot a pass every time he plays? I’ve seen Joelinton score, I know he’s not a goalscorer though… Same applies when he's in front of goal. I can accept we might have been playing him in the wrong positions, but when he has found himself in goal scoring positions, he's either hesitated or fluffed it. That's got nothing to do with being played out of position, it's just lack of killer instinct. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted February 18, 2022 Share Posted February 18, 2022 2 minutes ago, HaydnNUFC said: 6 minutes ago, Yorkie said: That's fair but what I mean is he was probably never going to amount to anything here once summer 2019 happened, even in spite of getting on the scoresheet a few times. Could say that about every single player we've had since then until the takeover though tbf Absolutely. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Butcher Posted February 18, 2022 Share Posted February 18, 2022 Making excuses for him is pretty pointless as he's never been good enough. As an attacking midfielder he's too one footed, not creative and not much of a dribbler. He's way too limited to ever be a sustained success in the PL, regardless of who the manager is. He's got decent pace and workrate, but that's nowhere near enough. Seems a really decent bloke, and I really wanted him to succeed when he joined, but he's sadly never going to make it here. Hope he can get a decent move to Spain or something in the summer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thiago Posted February 18, 2022 Share Posted February 18, 2022 1 hour ago, HTT II said: So why doesn’t he spot a pass every time he plays? I’ve seen Joelinton score, I know he’s not a goalscorer though… Because he barely plays. His last seven games have included four cameos of under 20 minutes. Go back and look at the data, he was consistently creating chances for teammates. Goalscoring is different, but if he's putting it on a plate for people and they're not finishing what can he do? I get your comparison to big Jo, but even then, you don't execute that pass - you don't post the type of chance creation numbers he does - if you're not a technically sound player with good vision. I just find the talk of him being a headless chicken so incredibly harsh on the lad. He's really not. He's been shunted into that role because he's willing to do it where the likes of Fraser simply weren't. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest HTT II Posted February 18, 2022 Share Posted February 18, 2022 Just now, Thiago said: Because he barely plays. His last seven games have included four cameos of under 20 minutes. Go back and look at the data, he was consistently creating chances for teammates. Goalscoring is different, but if he's putting it on a plate for people and they're not finishing what can he do? I get your comparison to big Jo, but even then, you don't execute that pass - you don't post the type of chance creation numbers he does - if you're not a technically sound player with good vision. I just find the talk of him being a headless chicken so incredibly harsh on the lad. He's really not. He's been shunted into that role because he's willing to do it where the likes of Fraser simply weren't. Even when he did play man, he flattered to deceive, he’s just not PL quality. As a fellow Mexican, it saddens me, again, I had high hopes for him! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HaydnNUFC Posted February 18, 2022 Share Posted February 18, 2022 A better metric to look at for creative players especially in teams like ours for stat nerds is shot creating actions per 90, rather than assists. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astroblack Posted February 18, 2022 Share Posted February 18, 2022 I've never thought he's looked out of his depth. He was an attacking player in a team that averaged 30% possession. Hopefully we stay up and next season, surrounded by better players, we see his true quality. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack j Posted February 18, 2022 Share Posted February 18, 2022 2 minutes ago, Astroblack said: I've never thought he's looked out of his depth. He was an attacking player in a team that averaged 30% possession. Hopefully we stay up and next season, surrounded by better players, we see his true quality. He'll be away in the summer I'd imagine/hope.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest reefatoon Posted February 18, 2022 Share Posted February 18, 2022 8 hours ago, Miercoles said: I still feel like if that chip off the crossbar in his first game had gone in everything would have been different with this lad. He looked amazing those first few games but got really unlucky with a few chances and also had a few bad misses and at this point I think he has the yips (speaking of yips, see also: Joelinton. I'm 100% positive he knows how to strike a football without hitting his own face). Can't help that he spent a large portion of that difficult period in his career under the wise tutelage of Steve Bruce either... Did he look amazing though? Feel like we are rewriting history a little here. What he brought was a bit of balance going forward, a different outlet instead of it all going down the one side all the time. He brought some balance to the attack but I don’t think he was ever amazing mind. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krabbe2 Posted February 18, 2022 Share Posted February 18, 2022 There must be some MLS clubs that can pick him up? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HWTL Posted February 18, 2022 Share Posted February 18, 2022 Seems a good lad and never let's his head go down, would love to see him move to different league and play games. Can't see him ever being good enough to start games and if we stay up and reinforce again can't see him ever paying. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thumbheed Posted February 18, 2022 Share Posted February 18, 2022 (edited) 25 minutes ago, reefatoon said: Did he look amazing though? Feel like we are rewriting history a little here. What he brought was a bit of balance going forward, a different outlet instead of it all going down the one side all the time. He brought some balance to the attack but I don’t think he was ever amazing mind. Aye he did. He was very much the missing piece in Rafa's counter attacking strategy and turned us from a team who could grind out results to a team that could thoroughly outplay teams. It wasn't a coincidence that our form rocketed after he signed. He was even singled out for some rough treatment from the opposition very quickly because of how impact full he was on thr break. Edited February 18, 2022 by Thumbheed Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
xLiaaamx Posted February 19, 2022 Share Posted February 19, 2022 There's nothing Willock's doing now that in theory Almiron shouldn't be able to. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Jinx Posted February 19, 2022 Share Posted February 19, 2022 I thought he would have been one that Howe would have played more but he doesn’t rate him much seemingly. Thats fine, there’s no drama to it. We like Miggy, he’s a good lad. It just never quite got going for him here. When he leaves here we won’t lose much money on him if at all. He’d be better suited to Spain or France Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted February 19, 2022 Share Posted February 19, 2022 6 hours ago, xLiaaamx said: There's nothing Willock's doing now that in theory Almiron shouldn't be able to. Attack the box with goal scoring intent. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest reefatoon Posted February 19, 2022 Share Posted February 19, 2022 7 hours ago, Thumbheed said: Aye he did. He was very much the missing piece in Rafa's counter attacking strategy and turned us from a team who could grind out results to a team that could thoroughly outplay teams. It wasn't a coincidence that our form rocketed after he signed. He was even singled out for some rough treatment from the opposition very quickly because of how impact full he was on thr break. like I said, he brought balance as we were so one sided, he freed up Perez more and helped that way, but it was never down to him being amazing and more to do with balance brought to the team. He didn’t create or score, but helped by us having an outlet down the other side. He played his part in our upturn but he did it as part of a team and not the reason of the upturn for me. Trippier has been amazing. Almiron has never hit that kind of heights and never will. He seems a likeable lad, just a nothing footballer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geordie_once_removed Posted February 19, 2022 Share Posted February 19, 2022 I can't see him being here beyond the summer. He's a player, a bit like Grealish and Coutinho, that needs a team built around him to really see his potential. As all plans re:transfers and team shape and strategy left with Benitez and only just came back with Howe he's been screwed over by subsequent transfers so we never bought players that would allow us to play a style and shape that would suit him. We're too invested in a system and shape that doesn't suit him to now start signing players that would, added to this he's just not good enough to justify doing this given where the clubs ambitions are. If he stays he'll continue to be a square pig in a round hole. Best for all parties he leave in the summer. You would imagine we could get close to £15 million for him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thiago Posted February 19, 2022 Share Posted February 19, 2022 Feels like Howe has made a statement choosing Murphy over him for the LW role. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
xLiaaamx Posted February 19, 2022 Share Posted February 19, 2022 Its a little thing but where Bruno got fouled but wasn't given, it annoyed me how he just stood still and didn't try to make a run at all. You could tell Bruno wanted someone to make an option but Almiron was too scared to try actually run in behind. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
toontownman Posted February 19, 2022 Share Posted February 19, 2022 Looks shot of confidence. Obviously short of match practice too. Don't remember him even touching the ball. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozzrahog Posted February 19, 2022 Share Posted February 19, 2022 3 hours ago, toontownman said: Looks shit Edited for you Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted February 20, 2022 Share Posted February 20, 2022 10 hours ago, Thiago said: Feels like Howe has made a statement choosing Murphy over him for the LW role. Not sure I agreed with that tbh, Almiron is left footed isn't he? Would have made more sense to play him wide left tbh. I know he's not really a winger, but Murphy for me is very much a right winger, and tbh he didn't really have a good game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newcastle Fan Posted February 20, 2022 Share Posted February 20, 2022 He had enough time here to prove that he has some quality but clearly other than running around like a headless chicken he dosn't offer much, we might be able to get a good fee for him this summer but even if we don't we need to make space for better quality players for sure. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledGeordie Posted February 20, 2022 Share Posted February 20, 2022 I just don’t see him being here next season. Clearly has the right attitude but he hasn’t proved he can finish in his time here and doesn’t create enough. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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