Miguel Almirón (now playing for Atlanta United)

[gbandit]

He’s worth a lot more than £8.5m, I think the absolute minimum we should sell him for is £12m

[LFEE]

2 minutes ago, SUPERTOON said:

Mental we gave him that imo.

Depends on what his salary is. He’s not a Ryan Fraser.

 

 

Edited August 14, 2024 by LFEE

[AyeDubbleYoo]

It's not really about Miggy being good or bad, it's about his strengths and weaknesses and what people value. We know he's limited as a creator and scorer, but he runs endlessly and works his arse off. That's what managers are looking at, especially managers who need to think of defence (Benitez) or pressing (Howe).

 

He's obviously now not of the level we want to be at, I don't think anyone denies that. 
 

[Theregulars]

Does it not count for anything, in anybody's measure, that Howe rates him? 

[Menace]

Howe also rated ASM and it was a good decision to bin him off in the end...

[TheBrownBottle]

He’s obviously available, yet the only suitor is a mediocre MLS side - I’m not sure we would be getting much more for him tbh.

 

I like Almiron - I think he comes across as a good pro, and always puts in a shift.  I also don’t think he has ever been a particularly good footballer - his output has been ludicrously bad, especially outside of his purple patch - Howe extracted the most you’ll ever get from his talents, but it was an error not to try to sell him in the summer of 2023 when a PL club might have mistaken a mediocre player who was benefitting from excellent coaching, for an excellent player

[AyeDubbleYoo]

I still feel he was unlucky to sign for Rafa to play with Rondon and Perez and ended up spending so much time under Bruce. 

 

FWIW I thought in pre-season he was looking to run inside a lot more and get into different areas.

 

Probably will leave anyway, so not worth too much energy on the debate. 

[Vaj]

My main issue with Almiron is that we should have sold him last summer when his stock was at its highest, we need to shift players before the decline and I think most fans knew that last season was unlikely to be as good as the season before. 

 

Clearly we aren't trying to push our luck with transfers to Saudi teams, which is very frustrating, but if we did we could have sold him to to Saudi league last summer for £25m and no questions would have been asked after the season he had. Now we could be stuck with him and Murphy for another year when every other position at the club has been strengthened significantly since the takeover. 

[Karjala]

1 hour ago, The Butcher said:

177 games in the PL for us.

 

23 goals. 6 (!) assists.

 

Take away that purple patch...

 

He's a great athlete and a shite footballer. 

 

And you wonder why no decent club will touch him?

No wonder we can't get shot of him, I'll run around for £40k a week and produce naff all.

[Crimson Cardigan]

Imagine selling a serviceable squad member for peanuts and then failing to sign a replacement and being stuck with just Murphy. people would lose their minds. 
 

This isn’t as cut and dried as some are making out. 
 

everyone knows about the goals and assists thing but ASM has none of them either but people preferred him cos they’d rather watch stopovers than pressing. Fair enough, but that’s not what Eddie values.

 

[Izakaya]

21 minutes ago, gdm said:

He signed 3 and half year deal last year 

For absolute fuck sake I didn't know that. 

[Abacus]

I agree with the point made earlier that Almiron allows Trippier to come forward and create assists, where he has outperformed. Might be the same with Livramento which is one reason I think some of the criticism he gets can be a bit OTT. Team game and all.

 

So if he goes and we replace well, then great. But if not, it's hardly some disaster to me, whereas being short in defence seems a bigger risk. 

 

On the price - we're conditioned to thinking he's worth what we want, but that's a good offer from an MLS club. It doesn't mean it's all he's worth in the wider market.

 

Anyway, I look at our squad for the start of the season and I'm quite relaxed. There's time to let things play out.

 

 

Edited August 14, 2024 by Abacus

[Slim]

7 minutes ago, Vaj said:

My main issue with Almiron is that we should have sold him last summer when his stock was at its highest, we need to shift players before the decline and I think most fans knew that last season was unlikely to be as good as the season before. 

 

Clearly we aren't trying to push our luck with transfers to Saudi teams, which is very frustrating, but if we did we could have sold him to to Saudi league last summer for £25m and no questions would have been asked after the season he had. Now we could be stuck with him and Murphy for another year when every other position at the club has been strengthened significantly since the takeover. 

From all reports we tried but Miggy did not want to go to Saudi.

[Zero]

3 minutes ago, Crimson Cardigan said:

Imagine selling a serviceable squad member for peanuts and then failing to sign a replacement and being stuck with just Murphy. people would lose their minds. 
 

This isn’t as cut and dried as some are making out. 
 

everyone knows about the goals and assists thing but ASM has none of them either but people preferred him cos they’d rather watch stopovers than pressing. Fair enough, but that’s not what Eddie values.

 

I won’t lose my mind for that. I don’t think Almiron is far better than Murphy. Both should be replaced.

[Fezzle]

8 minutes ago, Vaj said:

My main issue with Almiron is that we should have sold him last summer when his stock was at its highest, we need to shift players before the decline and I think most fans knew that last season was unlikely to be as good as the season before. 

 

Clearly we aren't trying to push our luck with transfers to Saudi teams, which is very frustrating, but if we did we could have sold him to to Saudi league last summer for £25m and no questions would have been asked after the season he had. Now we could be stuck with him and Murphy for another year when every other position at the club has been strengthened significantly since the takeover. 

He has never wanted to go to Saudi so its irrelevant what you think we could get for him there or when.

[TRon]

1 hour ago, johnny36 said:

If we turned down 8.5 million for Almiron then I dont want Eales or Howe to mention PSR affecting us ever again..We had a chance to move on players (Trippier in Jan) and now Almiron and refused both..Cant have it both ways

 

Said this in January when we turned down the Trippier move to Bayern. We ended up having to sell Minteh and Anderson instead so there's no getting away from it. We held onto Trippier gambling he'd get us into Europe and it failed. Maybe we are doing the same with Miggy, and if our aim is Europa rather than CL then fair enough. He might be good enough to be described as a top 6 player or someone who could pass for one.

 

I'm actually really surprised we haven't been more ruthless in selling at peak value considering all the noise from Eales a year ago.

 

 

Edited August 14, 2024 by TRon

[The Prophet]

1 minute ago, TRon said:

 

Said this in January when we turned down the Trippier move to Bayern. We ended up having to sell Minteh and Anderson instead so there's no getting away from it. We held onto Trippier gambling he'd get us into Europe and it failed. Maybe we are doing the same with Miggy, and if our aim is Europa rather than CL then fair enough. He might be good enough to be described as a top 6 player or someone who could pass for one.

 

I'm actually really surprised we haven't been more ruthless in selling at peak value considering all the noise from Eales a year ago.

 

 

 

 

Even if we'd sold Trippier, we'd still have had to sell Minteh and possibly Anderson.

[The Prophet]

Would also say with Trippier, having circa 14 fit players was probably a factor too.

[Crimson Cardigan]

13 minutes ago, Zero said:

I won’t lose my mind for that. I don’t think Almiron is far better than Murphy. Both should be replaced.

It’s not about who’s better. We can’t go into the season with just one of them.

[Zero]

12 minutes ago, The Prophet said:

 

Even if we'd sold Trippier, we'd still have had to sell Minteh and possibly Anderson.

Aye. The original plan was to sell Joelinton.

[Theregulars]

43 minutes ago, Menace said:

Howe also rated ASM and it was a good decision to bin him off in the end...

Did he though? Didn't pick him much and did talk about the need for positional discipline.

[TRon]

3 minutes ago, The Prophet said:

 

Even if we'd sold Trippier, we'd still have had to sell Minteh and possibly Anderson.

 

Maybe, but every decision like this impacts further down the line. If we want to keep Almiron because we think he's worth more than £8.5m, then in a year's time that's £8.5m million we won't have to spend ongoing. Add that to the £12m we allegedly turned down for Trippier, that's £20m+ we've knocked back for players in their 30's in the space of 6 months.

 

The justification must be we think they can get us into the CL this season, which is fair enough if they do. If they don't then we'll have to account for that money next season because it ain't coming back.

[The Prophet]

1 minute ago, Zero said:

Aye. The original plan was to sell Joelinton.

 

Think that could have been Ashworth's plan for sure.

[Nucasol]

The Sun claiming Charlotte have walked away:

 

https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/29867333/miguel-almiron-newcastle-transfer-exit-mls-charlotte-collapses/

[Menace]

4 minutes ago, Theregulars said:

Did he though? Didn't pick him much and did talk about the need for positional discipline.

 

“I spoke to him on Monday, there was actually a lot of emotion between us. I won’t speak for Allan but when a player has done very well for you, which Allan has for me, I’m very grateful for every player that commits and gives their all for the team.”

“I respect him immensely. I know he feels the same way as I do about the football club. There’s no issue between us. We have had a really healthy relationship from day one. Sometimes things have to happen for the club to grow and Allan to experience something different.

“You can’t replace him with a similar type because there is nobody like him. “I don’t think there has been an issue with work-rate.

“You say industrious. But in his way he is really committed to what we asked him to do. Last season was difficult for him, he picked up a couple of injuries so I don’t think we saw the very best from him. The Man City game was Maxi could be for us on a regular basis. Nobody is doubting his talent.”

“Allan is a unique player. I am sure I will never coach somebody like him again. I am talking about the player here, he can do things nobody else can do. And he does give us a totally different dimension, he is somebody we don’t want to lose.”