jdckelly Posted January 27, 2020 Share Posted January 27, 2020 If they did take over, to what extent would NUFC be accountable to any future Saudi barbarity? no more than City or PSG in theory Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted January 27, 2020 Share Posted January 27, 2020 If they did take over, to what extent would NUFC be accountable to any future Saudi barbarity? Depends if the atrocities were committed on club grounds I think. So its possibly the name "Gallowgate" that's attracted them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mickthemagpie Posted January 27, 2020 Share Posted January 27, 2020 Well to be fair, some of you were wanking off to the WSJ a few days ago, so have a look at this https://www.wsj.com/articles/saudi-arabia-is-changing-fast-11572909143 Why can you not accept that some countries/regimes etc are not the same as yours? As I said before the UK is no saint, we had Kings and Queens that were as bad if not worse, just because or recent history is different to theirs, why should they be punished if they are trying to evolve? FWIW I'd be opposed to Henry VIII buying the club too. Yeah, I wouldn't want Cromwell as well after what he did to the Irish. Not like you to hold a grudge like! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BergenMagpie Posted January 27, 2020 Share Posted January 27, 2020 Lee will definitely be in MAs ear trying to get him to raise the price 10 times in order for the deal to fall through. The man is stealing a living and knows it. Where would he go if the deal went through? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LV Posted January 27, 2020 Share Posted January 27, 2020 I can’t wait for the new signups, regens and bots like we had during the last fakeover. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Facundo Ferreyra Posted January 27, 2020 Share Posted January 27, 2020 Lee will definitely be in MAs ear trying to get him to raise the price 10 times in order for the deal to fall through. The man is stealing a living and knows it. Where would he go if the deal went through? He'll be referring to Ryder there, not Charnley Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdckelly Posted January 27, 2020 Share Posted January 27, 2020 I can’t wait for the new signups, regens and bots like we had during the last fakeover. or lee ryder linking us with mbappe neymar etc and 5 reasons why they'v be good signings and 10 things you didn't know about them etc etc Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
D. Yimentov Posted January 27, 2020 Share Posted January 27, 2020 I've worked with quite a few Saudis over the last year or so and shit ton of other Middle Easterners. It's true that a lot of them would like more freedom of the press and suchlike but there are a lot of things that they wouldn't want to change. Absolute gender equality, enforced by quotas, LGBT stuff, abolition of the death penalty... etc All of these things were implemented yesterday in the grand scheme of things. It is in my opinion both erroneous and arrogant of us to assume that today's liberal paradigm is the be all and all that every culture should aspire to. When you get deeper into, even things that we've been taught to hold sacred like freedom, equality and democracy can be argued against. I can tell you from the Iraqis that I work with that Saddam was very popular with a lot of people. Ditto in China. Xi is super popular. "Ah, but they're brainwashed. Not like us. We really know what is best." Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Posted January 27, 2020 Share Posted January 27, 2020 Well to be fair, some of you were wanking off to the WSJ a few days ago, so have a look at this https://www.wsj.com/articles/saudi-arabia-is-changing-fast-11572909143 Why can you not accept that some countries/regimes etc are not the same as yours? As I said before the UK is no saint, we had Kings and Queens that were as bad if not worse, just because or recent history is different to theirs, why should they be punished if they are trying to evolve? FWIW I'd be opposed to Henry VIII buying the club too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggs Posted January 27, 2020 Share Posted January 27, 2020 If they did take over, to what extent would NUFC be accountable to any future Saudi barbarity? Newcastle United would basically be Saudi Arabia United and used as a marketing tool to become acceptable to people in the west. No different to Man City in that regard except the Saudis are even worse Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggs Posted January 27, 2020 Share Posted January 27, 2020 I've worked with quite a few Saudis over the last year or so and shit ton of other Middle Easterners. It's true that a lot of them would like more freedom of the press and suchlike but there are a lot of things that they wouldn't want to change. Absolute gender equality, enforced by quotas, LGBT stuff, abolition of the death penalty... etc All of these things were implemented yesterday in the grand scheme of things. It is in my opinion both erroneous and arrogant of us to assume that today's liberal paradigm is the be all and all that every culture should aspire to. When you get deeper into, even things that we've been taught to hold sacred like freedom, equality and democracy can be argued against. I can tell you from the Iraqis that I work with that Saddam was very popular with a lot of people. Ditto in China. Xi is super popular. "Ah, but they're brainwashed. Not like us. We really know what is best." What about murdering journalists? Is that fine as well because its a different culture? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarrenBartonCentrePartin Posted January 27, 2020 Share Posted January 27, 2020 Well to be fair, some of you were wanking off to the WSJ a few days ago, so have a look at this https://www.wsj.com/articles/saudi-arabia-is-changing-fast-11572909143 Why can you not accept that some countries/regimes etc are not the same as yours? As I said before the UK is no saint, we had Kings and Queens that were as bad if not worse, just because or recent history is different to theirs, why should they be punished if they are trying to evolve? FWIW I'd be opposed to Henry VIII buying the club too. Aye, he'd only go and get John Tudor back as DOF. Proper jobs for the boys. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
D. Yimentov Posted January 27, 2020 Share Posted January 27, 2020 I've worked with quite a few Saudis over the last year or so and s*** ton of other Middle Easterners. It's true that a lot of them would like more freedom of the press and suchlike but there are a lot of things that they wouldn't want to change. Absolute gender equality, enforced by quotas, LGBT stuff, abolition of the death penalty... etc All of these things were implemented yesterday in the grand scheme of things. It is in my opinion both erroneous and arrogant of us to assume that today's liberal paradigm is the be all and all that every culture should aspire to. When you get deeper into, even things that we've been taught to hold sacred like freedom, equality and democracy can be argued against. I can tell you from the Iraqis that I work with that Saddam was very popular with a lot of people. Ditto in China. Xi is super popular. "Ah, but they're brainwashed. Not like us. We really know what is best." What about murdering journalists? Is that fine as well because its a different culture? nope. didn't say it was Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted January 27, 2020 Share Posted January 27, 2020 Absolutely loving the dissenting voices in this. Got some time for it tbph. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocker Posted January 27, 2020 Share Posted January 27, 2020 I, for one, welcome our murderous overlords. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris_R Posted January 27, 2020 Share Posted January 27, 2020 Let's not big up democracy too much - This is a process which has brought us Donald Trump, Boris Johnson and Brexit. FWIW the Saudis are making bold steps to modernise. Look up their "Vision 2030" if you want to see what they're planning on doing, but you cannot do these things overnight. I've spent a lot of time in the country over the last 7 years and indeed I'm in Jeddah right now. I've been talking to the people here about the modernisation and even the young people who do want change are worried that things are happening too quickly. Like any people, they're proud of their culture and worry about its loss and dilution. These things simply cannot change overnight, but the crown prince is determined to do as much as he can and seemingly wants to do things quicker than most of the populace are comfortable with, which tells me things are going absolutely as fast as they can. I'm not suggesting it'll be some paradise in a few years or that it'll be a free and open society, and I'm not sugarcoating the obvious horrific things which have happened and continue to happen here. But it is definitely changing and it can't change any quicker. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdckelly Posted January 27, 2020 Share Posted January 27, 2020 I've worked with quite a few Saudis over the last year or so and shit ton of other Middle Easterners. It's true that a lot of them would like more freedom of the press and suchlike but there are a lot of things that they wouldn't want to change. Absolute gender equality, enforced by quotas, LGBT stuff, abolition of the death penalty... etc All of these things were implemented yesterday in the grand scheme of things. It is in my opinion both erroneous and arrogant of us to assume that today's liberal paradigm is the be all and all that every culture should aspire to. When you get deeper into, even things that we've been taught to hold sacred like freedom, equality and democracy can be argued against. I can tell you from the Iraqis that I work with that Saddam was very popular with a lot of people. Ditto in China. Xi is super popular. "Ah, but they're brainwashed. Not like us. We really know what is best." well they are kinda brainwashed, absolute dictatorships control the media and employs heavy censorship and in saudi arabias case arrest people who dare criticise the regime or how things are run Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klaus Posted January 27, 2020 Share Posted January 27, 2020 I would normally be opposed to having state funded Saudi owners, but I want Ashley out so badly, I'm prepared to let the atrocities slide. I mean, Ashley is awful. But this lot are 1000x worse Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwoForJoy Posted January 27, 2020 Share Posted January 27, 2020 I, for one, welcome our murderous overlords. Me too. I'd much rather see Lee Ryder get his head lobbed off at half time than another crossbar challenge. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris_R Posted January 27, 2020 Share Posted January 27, 2020 well they are kinda brainwashed, absolute dictatorships control the media and employs heavy censorship and in saudi arabias case arrest people who dare criticise the regime or how things are run As opposed to the UK where the people are brainwashed by the Murdoch media. FWIW you are not going to get arrested for casually criticising the regime here. I've had some intense debates with locals and nobody has batted an eyelid, and some of them have been openly critical of some things themselves. You just can't organise proper full-scale protests against the government or go publishing dissenting articles. Private free speech is fine. Not saying that the above is great, but it's not as bad as is often portrayed. Guy who was driving me home tonight got pulled over by the police and happily got out his car to remonstrate with the officer. Still got fined, but you clearly don't have to act all meek to anyone in authority. I accidentally drove across a parade ground in an airbase in Dhahran last year during an actual parade (Thanks Google maps! ) and despite the military police coming screaming out after me in a pickup truck, it was all laughed off in the end. It's not some totalitarian hellhole where you'll end up in jail for nothing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdckelly Posted January 27, 2020 Share Posted January 27, 2020 I've worked with quite a few Saudis over the last year or so and shit ton of other Middle Easterners. It's true that a lot of them would like more freedom of the press and suchlike but there are a lot of things that they wouldn't want to change. Absolute gender equality, enforced by quotas, LGBT stuff, abolition of the death penalty... etc All of these things were implemented yesterday in the grand scheme of things. It is in my opinion both erroneous and arrogant of us to assume that today's liberal paradigm is the be all and all that every culture should aspire to. When you get deeper into, even things that we've been taught to hold sacred like freedom, equality and democracy can be argued against. I can tell you from the Iraqis that I work with that Saddam was very popular with a lot of people. Ditto in China. Xi is super popular. "Ah, but they're brainwashed. Not like us. We really know what is best." well they are kinda brainwashed, absolute dictatorships control the media and employs heavy censorship and in saudi arabias case arrest people who dare criticise the regime or how things are run Russia/Chelsea? Abramovich isn't literally the russian goverment so the comparison falls apart there though he has had strong links with it obviously Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klaus Posted January 27, 2020 Share Posted January 27, 2020 Isn't he banned from the UK currently? or at least he was not long ago. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted January 27, 2020 Share Posted January 27, 2020 Isn't he banned from the UK currently? or at least he was not long ago. Yes he is. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted January 27, 2020 Share Posted January 27, 2020 Isn't he banned from the UK currently? or at least he was not long ago. Yes he is. That's not right is it? Thought he got a UK visa knocked back but gets in on an Israeli passport or summit. Don't think he was ever banned. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdckelly Posted January 27, 2020 Share Posted January 27, 2020 Isn't he banned from the UK currently? or at least he was not long ago. he definitely was, problems renewing his visa or something. Think he was going to get Isreali citizenship to get around that problem Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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