toontownman Posted July 9, 2019 Share Posted July 9, 2019 Yeah well welcome to the environment we have lived in over a decade. You get it wrong (again) and a few people give you some shit on the internet. We live with this daily. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBG Posted July 9, 2019 Share Posted July 9, 2019 I had a bit of a go at Douglas on twitter this morning about the press not hounding Charnley more and TBF he did reply and try and explain the he just basically ignores his calls but someone needs to investigate the running of Newcastle United and particularly where the money has gone. Why isn't he then? God forbid he does something other than ring the club's main number and ask to be put through to Charnley. The likes of Sack Pardew and Ashley Out showed just how lazy the media are. They laid out at the statistics and facts for everyone to see, it was only then (especially with Pardew) that the media started reporting them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
polkaDot Posted July 9, 2019 Share Posted July 9, 2019 I had a bit of a go at Douglas on twitter this morning about the press not hounding Charnley more and TBF he did reply and try and explain the he just basically ignores his calls but someone needs to investigate the running of Newcastle United and particularly where the money has gone. Absolutely. I find this baffling. I work for a newspaper myself and I cover football, and I do a fair bit of investigative reporting. I would understand the hesitancy to publish something investigative (i.e. damaging for the club or individuals associated with it) if it wasn’t well sourced, hastily put together and subsequently could mean no access to anything within the club. But none of that should be an issue. 1. It’s been 12 years. There’s plenty of time for a journalist to investigate Ashley and his running of NUFC, build relationships, dig for documentation or get ahold of material. With time on your hands, you should be able to build a comprehensive case that portrays and illustrates how he’s enriched himself and his companies on NUFC’s behalf. 2. There’s no access anyway. I’ve worked in England and covered Premier League. The way it’s regulated is a piss take, players are protected, managers and others speak on their own terms. The same when I’ve been around the England team, it’s set up in a way that doesn’t exactly encourage critical reporting. When someone talks, it’s most often not through the club anyway. In other words, I can’t see the logic in withholding a relationship with the club (especially not Newcastle). Press conference quotes? Match reports? Quotes from Jamal Lascelles and Paul Dummett saying they’re excited for the League Cup tie with Luton? Nick them off others. 3. The lack of critical and investigative reporting on football in general, Newcastle United in particular, presents a golden opportunity brand-wise. From a reader’s perspective (fans) it’s hugely appreciated when irregularities are discovered and presented. There’s so much to gain from it, and it serves one of the core purposes of journalism. Put money and time into it and you’ll be rewarded long term. However, I don’t think this sort of criticism should be aimed at reporters. It’s a strategic question, most probably dealt with by editors and others higher up the hierarchy. Still, with NUFC being such an obvious case, it’s unbelievable that no investigative reporter from another desk, at another newspaper than The Chronicle, has had a real go. Good post. we need Nick Broomfield on the case. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hakka Posted July 9, 2019 Share Posted July 9, 2019 I had a bit of a go at Douglas on twitter this morning about the press not hounding Charnley more and TBF he did reply and try and explain the he just basically ignores his calls but someone needs to investigate the running of Newcastle United and particularly where the money has gone. Absolutely. I find this baffling. I work for a newspaper myself and I cover football, and I do a fair bit of investigative reporting. I would understand the hesitancy to publish something investigative (i.e. damaging for the club or individuals associated with it) if it wasn’t well sourced, hastily put together and subsequently could mean no access to anything within the club. But none of that should be an issue. 1. It’s been 12 years. There’s plenty of time for a journalist to investigate Ashley and his running of NUFC, build relationships, dig for documentation or get ahold of material. With time on your hands, you should be able to build a comprehensive case that portrays and illustrates how he’s enriched himself and his companies on NUFC’s behalf. 2. There’s no access anyway. I’ve worked in England and covered Premier League. The way it’s regulated is a piss take, players are protected, managers and others speak on their own terms. The same when I’ve been around the England team, it’s set up in a way that doesn’t exactly encourage critical reporting. When someone talks, it’s most often not through the club anyway. In other words, I can’t see the logic in withholding a relationship with the club (especially not Newcastle). Press conference quotes? Match reports? Quotes from Jamal Lascelles and Paul Dummett saying they’re excited for the League Cup tie with Luton? Nick them off others. 3. The lack of critical and investigative reporting on football in general, Newcastle United in particular, presents a golden opportunity brand-wise. From a reader’s perspective (fans) it’s hugely appreciated when irregularities are discovered and presented. There’s so much to gain from it, and it serves one of the core purposes of journalism. Put money and time into it and you’ll be rewarded long term. However, I don’t think this sort of criticism should be aimed at reporters. It’s a strategic question, most probably dealt with by editors and others higher up the hierarchy. Still, with NUFC being such an obvious case, it’s unbelievable that no investigative reporter from another desk, at another newspaper than The Chronicle, has had a real go. Good read, cheers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jong24 Posted July 9, 2019 Share Posted July 9, 2019 Yeah well welcome to the environment we have lived in over a decade. You get it wrong (again) and a few people give you some shit on the internet. Basically, we’re frightened to get stuff wrong because some nasty people on the internet will be horrible to us. Grow a pair ffs! It’s your job!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heake Posted July 9, 2019 Share Posted July 9, 2019 I had a bit of a go at Douglas on twitter this morning about the press not hounding Charnley more and TBF he did reply and try and explain the he just basically ignores his calls but someone needs to investigate the running of Newcastle United and particularly where the money has gone. Why isn't he then? God forbid he does something other than ring the club's main number and ask to be put through to Charnley. The likes of Sack Pardew and Ashley Out showed just how lazy the media are. They laid out at the statistics and facts for everyone to see, it was only then (especially with Pardew) that the media started reporting them. Totally agree...If you`re reporting shit goings on within the running of the club, regardless how you dress it up, if its an accurate reflection & shows the club /owners out to be cynical clowns then the story itself is probably enough to disenfranchise you from any ITK status you might have had. The choice then is surely: Investigate & report the facts (Do your job) or mince around printing benign comment on what the days social media has thrown up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Gonzo Posted July 9, 2019 Share Posted July 9, 2019 Why have the club just spammed. Newsno w at 9.24am crap posts from the official site list of videos etc. Is this to prove they are communicating or something... Very very bizarre imo 22 consecutive posts🙄 That’s happened a few times in the last week or two. It could suggest the site being moved to a new server so when they upload all the previous articles they get published again. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted July 9, 2019 Share Posted July 9, 2019 What utter shite. It makes for a better story, the discrepancy between the two narratives etc, the background of Ashley in relation to what hes after given his deals at Rangers etc. What Graves means is hes a commercial mouthpiece and hes after spoonfed gossip and rumour rather than any attempt at ttrying to find truth. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gdm Posted July 9, 2019 Share Posted July 9, 2019 Bzg could announce the talkover now and no one would believe it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paully Posted July 9, 2019 Share Posted July 9, 2019 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sho Time Posted July 9, 2019 Share Posted July 9, 2019 "Look at me! Look at me!" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoveItIfWeBeatU Posted July 9, 2019 Share Posted July 9, 2019 So there are supposedly at least 3 interested parties, BZG Group being one of them. What are the other 2 doing? Mike Ashley supposedly wants £350m. If the 3 interested parties know that have they offered that amount? If yes, then what is happening? If Mike Ashley is moving the goal posts then walk away. The loss of Rafa (plus his coaching team) and Perez should reduce the £350m valuation as relegation is currently much more likely. Also, if a group is struggling to come up with the £350m then they'll really struggle to fund the transfers, new manager and other changes required (the TV money is paid in installments throughout the year). I doubt the takeover will happen purely because of how long it has taken. Most takeovers seem to be done quickly. I was excited after BZG's first announcement when they said it was a done deal. Since then my hope has nosedived. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sempuki Posted July 9, 2019 Share Posted July 9, 2019 "Look at me! Look at me!" They haven't a fucking clue. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stifler Posted July 9, 2019 Share Posted July 9, 2019 As if anyone believes them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gottlob Posted July 9, 2019 Share Posted July 9, 2019 Is it the quintessential studmuffin Joel Gertner? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teasy Posted July 9, 2019 Share Posted July 9, 2019 So there are supposedly at least 3 interested parties, BZG Group being one of them. What are the other 2 doing? Mike Ashley supposedly wants £350m. If the 3 interested parties know that have they offered that amount? If yes, then what is happening? If Mike Ashley is moving the goal posts then walk away. The loss of Rafa (plus his coaching team) and Perez should reduce the £350m valuation as relegation is currently much more likely. Also, if a group is struggling to come up with the £350m then they'll really struggle to fund the transfers, new manager and other changes required (the TV money is paid in installments throughout the year). I doubt the takeover will happen purely because of how long it has taken. Most takeovers seem to be done quickly. I was excited after BZG's first announcement when they said it was a done deal. Since then my hope has nosedived. Most clubs don't pay for transfers up front and managers certainly won't expect large initial sums so this isn't a issue. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NG32 Posted July 9, 2019 Share Posted July 9, 2019 How can 85 people talk about that tweet, it says nothing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shelveys Hair Posted July 9, 2019 Share Posted July 9, 2019 This has just been posted ;D ;D https://twitter.com/BinZayedEU/status/1148538017914793984 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gdm Posted July 9, 2019 Share Posted July 9, 2019 4 weeks till season starts. Thousands cancelling season tickets, Off to China on Sunday. Key players have left, none in, no manager. It’s fast becoming a mess Ashley won’t be able to get out of. Just sell the club man Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted July 9, 2019 Share Posted July 9, 2019 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sho Time Posted July 9, 2019 Share Posted July 9, 2019 This has just been posted ;D ;D https://twitter.com/BinZayedEU/status/1148538017914793984 Their only tweet. Fuck off, man. The bio looks very official (and states so), but extremely easy to fake stuff like that. PLUS NO BLUE FUCKIN TICK Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
54 Posted July 9, 2019 Share Posted July 9, 2019 This has just been posted ;D ;D https://twitter.com/BinZayedEU/status/1148538017914793984 That's some effort for a troll, fair play. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stifler Posted July 9, 2019 Share Posted July 9, 2019 This has just been posted ;D ;D https://twitter.com/BinZayedEU/status/1148538017914793984 Their only tweet. Fuck off, man. It’s fake. Someone has purged their account and renamed themselves. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilko Posted July 9, 2019 Share Posted July 9, 2019 ...the DNA test results show that Penfold... ... IS Lee's biological father. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sempuki Posted July 9, 2019 Share Posted July 9, 2019 This has just been posted ;D ;D https://twitter.com/BinZayedEU/status/1148538017914793984 Why do arseholes feel the need to compound everyone's misery? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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