Minhosa Posted June 22, 2020 Share Posted June 22, 2020 Short memories all around. We've been incredibly shit in 90% of the games this season. Our points total is beyond miraculous given the nature of our performances. Bruce deserves praise for finding out that a front three of Almiron, ASM and Joelinton would give us a chance of counter-attacking eventually, but it took him forever to get there. He was given a shitload of players before the season, the football has been abysmal and that shouldn't be altered just because there was a long break. Yep . Genuinely as jammy as I've ever seen us too. So many games where we picked up points but undeservedly so. Literally zero games where we lost points undeservedly. Off he fucks, for me. 12 home goals conceded in 15 home games is jammy? Chelsea at home - robbed them. Norwich at home - robbed them. Brighton at home - robbed them. Everton away - robbed them. JAMMY AS FUCK. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Judge Holden Posted June 22, 2020 Share Posted June 22, 2020 Short memories all around. We've been incredibly shit in 90% of the games this season. Our points total is beyond miraculous given the nature of our performances. Bruce deserves praise for finding out that a front three of Almiron, ASM and Joelinton would give us a chance of counter-attacking eventually, but it took him forever to get there. He was given a shitload of players before the season, the football has been abysmal and that shouldn't be altered just because there was a long break. Yep . Genuinely as jammy as I've ever seen us too. So many games where we picked up points but undeservedly so. Literally zero games where we lost points undeservedly. Off he fucks, for me. 12 home goals conceded in 15 home games is jammy? Chelsea at home - robbed them. Norwich at home - robbed them. Brighton at home - robbed them. Everton away - robbed them. JAMMY AS FUCK. You didnt answer his question. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
samptime29 Posted June 22, 2020 Share Posted June 22, 2020 Short memories all around. We've been incredibly shit in 90% of the games this season. Our points total is beyond miraculous given the nature of our performances. Bruce deserves praise for finding out that a front three of Almiron, ASM and Joelinton would give us a chance of counter-attacking eventually, but it took him forever to get there. He was given a shitload of players before the season, the football has been abysmal and that shouldn't be altered just because there was a long break. Yep . Genuinely as jammy as I've ever seen us too. So many games where we picked up points but undeservedly so. Literally zero games where we lost points undeservedly. Off he fucks, for me. 12 home goals conceded in 15 home games is jammy? Chelsea at home - robbed them. Norwich at home - robbed them. Brighton at home - robbed them. Everton away - robbed them. JAMMY AS FUCK. Thanks for ignoring my question. :lol: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robster Posted June 22, 2020 Share Posted June 22, 2020 Wasn't Bruce's tactic just to tell them to play how Rafa told them ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minhosa Posted June 22, 2020 Share Posted June 22, 2020 Short memories all around. We've been incredibly shit in 90% of the games this season. Our points total is beyond miraculous given the nature of our performances. Bruce deserves praise for finding out that a front three of Almiron, ASM and Joelinton would give us a chance of counter-attacking eventually, but it took him forever to get there. He was given a shitload of players before the season, the football has been abysmal and that shouldn't be altered just because there was a long break. Yep . Genuinely as jammy as I've ever seen us too. So many games where we picked up points but undeservedly so. Literally zero games where we lost points undeservedly. Off he fucks, for me. 12 home goals conceded in 15 home games is jammy? Chelsea at home - robbed them. Norwich at home - robbed them. Brighton at home - robbed them. Everton away - robbed them. JAMMY AS FUCK. Thanks for ignoring my question. :lol: If luck evened itself out over a season, where would we be? Bottom two for me. Overall stats indicate that. As for your question, he's incredibly lucky he inherited such a very well drilled back four from Rafa tbh. He didn't inherit Rafa's forward line and we've scored 28 goals all season :lol: . With such decent defensive stats, why are we showing a -13 goal difference? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minhosa Posted June 22, 2020 Share Posted June 22, 2020 Wasn't Bruce's tactic just to tell them to play how Rafa told them ? Yep for 70% of the season and then when he couldn't get them to score goals, he tweaked it. Can't remember the useless oaf thanking Rafa for signing Dubravka either because it's him who has kept the useless fucker in a job. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Judge Holden Posted June 22, 2020 Share Posted June 22, 2020 Wasn't Bruce's tactic just to tell them to play how Rafa told them ? Yep for 70% of the season and then when he couldn't get them to score goals, he tweaked it. Can't remember the useless oaf thanking Rafa for signing Dubravka either because it's him who has kept the useless fucker in a job. Haha, when did a manager last thank their predecessor for a signing a player for him? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minhosa Posted June 22, 2020 Share Posted June 22, 2020 Wasn't Bruce's tactic just to tell them to play how Rafa told them ? Yep for 70% of the season and then when he couldn't get them to score goals, he tweaked it. Can't remember the useless oaf thanking Rafa for signing Dubravka either because it's him who has kept the useless fucker in a job. Haha, when did a manager last thank their predecessor for a signing a player for him? Well he's been the first to criticise the system he inherited so why not thank Rafa too? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Judge Holden Posted June 22, 2020 Share Posted June 22, 2020 Wasn't Bruce's tactic just to tell them to play how Rafa told them ? Yep for 70% of the season and then when he couldn't get them to score goals, he tweaked it. Can't remember the useless oaf thanking Rafa for signing Dubravka either because it's him who has kept the useless fucker in a job. Haha, when did a manager last thank their predecessor for a signing a player for him? Well he's been the first to criticise the system he inherited so why not thank Rafa too? when did a manager last thank their predecessor for a signing a player for him? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
samptime29 Posted June 22, 2020 Share Posted June 22, 2020 Short memories all around. We've been incredibly shit in 90% of the games this season. Our points total is beyond miraculous given the nature of our performances. Bruce deserves praise for finding out that a front three of Almiron, ASM and Joelinton would give us a chance of counter-attacking eventually, but it took him forever to get there. He was given a shitload of players before the season, the football has been abysmal and that shouldn't be altered just because there was a long break. Yep . Genuinely as jammy as I've ever seen us too. So many games where we picked up points but undeservedly so. Literally zero games where we lost points undeservedly. Off he fucks, for me. 12 home goals conceded in 15 home games is jammy? Chelsea at home - robbed them. Norwich at home - robbed them. Brighton at home - robbed them. Everton away - robbed them. JAMMY AS FUCK. Thanks for ignoring my question. :lol: If luck evened itself out over a season, where would we be? Bottom two for me. Overall stats indicate that. As for your question, he's incredibly lucky he inherited such a very well drilled back four from Rafa tbh. He didn't inherit Rafa's forward line and we've scored 28 goals all season :lol: . With such decent defensive stats, why are we showing a -13 goal difference? Arsenal, Everton, Burnley at home we easily could've picked up more points. Burnley away with that Gayle sitter too. We've had some luck this season no doubt, and our keeper has been class. "Overall stats indicate that" That's my fucking point. If you only concede 12 home goals, then you will pick up points. That's what we've done. Under Rafa we never got dominated as much when we had a bad game - this season we have (Leicester home and away, Man Utd and Arsenal away). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanSkÃrare Posted June 22, 2020 Share Posted June 22, 2020 Us conceding 12 goals at home is of course not reflective of the performances. Our xG conceded is 24,5. We're 12,5 goals better off than that. Some of these stats are misleading, yes, and some of them are not. Anyone watching the opposition squandering chances and Dubravka playing out of his skin game after game will not be surprised to see us have those numbers. For comparison, the team with the next biggest difference (www.understat.com/league/EPL) is Palace who are 5 goals better off. Again: We're +12,5. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
samptime29 Posted June 22, 2020 Share Posted June 22, 2020 Us conceding 12 goals at home is of course not reflective of the performances. Our xG conceded is 24,5. We're 12,5 goals better off than that. Some of these stats are misleading, yes, and some of them are not. Anyone watching the opposition squandering chances and Dubravka playing out of his skin game after game will not be surprised to see us have those numbers. For comparison, the team with the next biggest difference (www.understat.com/league/EPL) is Palace who are 5 goals better off. Again: We're +12,5. xG relegation 2019-2020 :'( Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Judge Holden Posted June 22, 2020 Share Posted June 22, 2020 "xG", "+12,5." What's all this nonsense man. Bruce isn't the most likeable of blokes but he's done a decent job. Simple as that and there's fuckall else worth getting worked up over. He's not gonna be here for much longer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minhosa Posted June 22, 2020 Share Posted June 22, 2020 Us conceding 12 goals at home is of course not reflective of the performances. Our xG conceded is 24,5. We're 12,5 goals better off than that. Some of these stats are misleading, yes, and some of them are not. Anyone watching the opposition squandering chances and Dubravka playing out of his skin game after game will not be surprised to see us have those numbers. For comparison, the team with the next biggest difference (www.understat.com/league/EPL) is Palace who are 5 goals better off. Again: We're +12,5. Yep. Anyone defending Bruce by using his predecessors main strength is kind of missing the elephant in the room. Rafa is the reason we survived this season too but the Bruce love-in Brigade wouldn't dare admit that :lol: . He's been the jammiest fucker going. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Judge Holden Posted June 22, 2020 Share Posted June 22, 2020 Us conceding 12 goals at home is of course not reflective of the performances. Our xG conceded is 24,5. We're 12,5 goals better off than that. Some of these stats are misleading, yes, and some of them are not. Anyone watching the opposition squandering chances and Dubravka playing out of his skin game after game will not be surprised to see us have those numbers. For comparison, the team with the next biggest difference (www.understat.com/league/EPL) is Palace who are 5 goals better off. Again: We're +12,5. Yep. Anyone defending Bruce by using his predecessors main strength is kind of missing the elephant in the room. Rafa is the reason we survived this season too but the Bruce love-in Brigade wouldn't dare admit that :lol: . He's been the jammiest fucker going. Christ. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted June 22, 2020 Share Posted June 22, 2020 If you have a poor xG it eventually catches up with you. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted June 22, 2020 Share Posted June 22, 2020 "xG", "+12,5." What's all this nonsense man. Bruce isn't the most likeable of blokes but he's done a decent job. Simple as that and there's fuckall else worth getting worked up over. He's not gonna be here for much longer. Stats, they help you analyse football based on more than just a hunch. Agree with your second point though, it's not really a debate. If the takeover goes through, he'll be gone soon enough. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minhosa Posted June 22, 2020 Share Posted June 22, 2020 Us conceding 12 goals at home is of course not reflective of the performances. Our xG conceded is 24,5. We're 12,5 goals better off than that. Some of these stats are misleading, yes, and some of them are not. Anyone watching the opposition squandering chances and Dubravka playing out of his skin game after game will not be surprised to see us have those numbers. For comparison, the team with the next biggest difference (www.understat.com/league/EPL) is Palace who are 5 goals better off. Again: We're +12,5. Yep. Anyone defending Bruce by using his predecessors main strength is kind of missing the elephant in the room. Rafa is the reason we survived this season too but the Bruce love-in Brigade wouldn't dare admit that :lol: . He's been the jammiest fucker going. Christ. Tis true. If we'd kept Rondon and Perez but sold three of Rafa's starting defenders then we'd have gone down. Bruce has massively benefitted from Rafa's organisational work. But perhaps that doesn't fit your narrative? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Judge Holden Posted June 22, 2020 Share Posted June 22, 2020 "xG", "+12,5." What's all this nonsense man. Bruce isn't the most likeable of blokes but he's done a decent job. Simple as that and there's fuckall else worth getting worked up over. He's not gonna be here for much longer. Stats, they help you analyse football based on more than just a hunch. Agree with your second point though, it's not really a debate. If the takeover goes through, he'll be gone soon enough. It's not a hunch that Bruce has done a decent enough job here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest dabe Posted June 22, 2020 Share Posted June 22, 2020 You can't outrun the stats forever, if he stayed, the xG stuff would catch up eventually. The current system is not a sustainable model for continuing to struggle around 12-14th, let alone success/7-10th. Accept we've been spawny as fuck, enjoy the performance yesterday, Saint-Maximin/Dubravka and our defence, and understand Bruce is a generally awful PL quality manager who we'd want shot of as soon as the season ends. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minhosa Posted June 22, 2020 Share Posted June 22, 2020 "xG", "+12,5." What's all this nonsense man. Bruce isn't the most likeable of blokes but he's done a decent job. Simple as that and there's fuckall else worth getting worked up over. He's not gonna be here for much longer. Stats, they help you analyse football based on more than just a hunch. Agree with your second point though, it's not really a debate. If the takeover goes through, he'll be gone soon enough. It's not a hunch that Bruce has done a decent enough job here. It's also not a hunch that he's achieved FUCK ALL in his entire managerial career and will always be an Ashley shill. Fuck off Steve. Yes man prick. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minhosa Posted June 22, 2020 Share Posted June 22, 2020 You can't outrun the stats forever, if he stayed, the xG stuff would catch up eventually. The current system is not a sustainable model for continuing to struggle around 12-14th, let alone success/7-10th. Accept we've been spawny as fuck, enjoy the performance yesterday, Saint-Maximin/Dubravka and our defence, and understand Bruce is a generally awful PL quality manager who we'd want shot of as soon as the season ends. Yup - this is it nailed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Judge Holden Posted June 22, 2020 Share Posted June 22, 2020 "xG", "+12,5." What's all this nonsense man. Bruce isn't the most likeable of blokes but he's done a decent job. Simple as that and there's fuckall else worth getting worked up over. He's not gonna be here for much longer. Stats, they help you analyse football based on more than just a hunch. Agree with your second point though, it's not really a debate. If the takeover goes through, he'll be gone soon enough. It's not a hunch that Bruce has done a decent enough job here. It's also not a hunch that he's achieved FUCK ALL in his entire managerial career and will always be an Ashley shill. Fuck off Steve. Yes man prick. And that's not what Im arguing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted June 22, 2020 Share Posted June 22, 2020 "xG", "+12,5." What's all this nonsense man. Bruce isn't the most likeable of blokes but he's done a decent job. Simple as that and there's fuckall else worth getting worked up over. He's not gonna be here for much longer. Stats, they help you analyse football based on more than just a hunch. Agree with your second point though, it's not really a debate. If the takeover goes through, he'll be gone soon enough. It's not a hunch that Bruce has done a decent enough job here. No, but the stats help you work out whether it's skill or luck. If you only judge things on results, you might not appreciate what's really going on. You can be bad and still win, but that might not be sustainable. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Menace Posted June 22, 2020 Share Posted June 22, 2020 I don't like Bruce but to say Rafa is the reason we're staying up this season is fucking laughable tbh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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