ToonArmy1892 Posted July 22, 2019 Share Posted July 22, 2019 Stop wasting your time on this muppet man lads Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dinotheprehistoricgeordie Posted July 22, 2019 Share Posted July 22, 2019 What frustrates me most about this schism between the fans is that those that keep going see themselves as the true fans who are willing to keep going because they care for THEIR club. It’s not about being successful it’s about supporting your club through thick and thin. I disagree with that totally. I think it boils down to one thing, if you love your club you want what is best for it. I don’t think many people can argue at this point that Mike Ashley is good for Newcastle United. After twelve years we’ve regressed to this point, yet so many are still content to keep going while whining about wanting a change, but not willing to do anything about it. These people don’t love the club, the like going to see a football match every other weekend. Something needs to be done to save Newcastle, a boycott is not going to significantly hurt Ashley’s pockets in a pure monetary sense. But if we have an empty stadium for a few games or a season it’s going to hurt his brand. He’s here for his cheap advertising, so if his brand, sport direct, can be hurt it will impact him more than the money lost from gate receipts. If you want what is best for this club it wouldn’t hurt you to miss games, sometimes a sacrifice is necessary. The fact that people are unwilling to even entertain it is just depressing. Fuck man, we’re probably going down one way or another this season. We might as well make it mean something. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shearergol Posted July 22, 2019 Share Posted July 22, 2019 Out of interest, for those still attending, if the football club aren't interested in winning trophies or qualifying for Europe and the only goal is to do the absolute bare minimum to stay in the league, what's the point? Surely hope, optimism and entertainment are core values that drive attendance, you're getting none of those due the self imposed limitations on the team. And there we go... You don't support a football club because of how good or bad it is, or if it qualifies for Europe or even attempts too for that matter. You support a football club, because its YOUR football club, not because you have a good team or not. To say 'What's what's the point?' I'm sorry but you sound entitled and deluded. Should the majority of fans in the country just stop going then? Can you name another club in the country actively not trying? Are any of them the 20th richest club in the world? Please tell me you understand that people are staying away because we're not trying, not because we're a bit s***? We'll apparently if you aren't challenging for Europe or trophies and you're only aim is to stay up, then what's the point? Thats half the league that man, can you not see how entitled that sounds? We have no right to be challenging Name me another club, even in this league, actively trying to NOT compete? Brighton Outspend us. Much smaller club, not in the top 20 richest clubs in the world. Never been on record as not wanting to compete. So basically you claim that they're not trying to compete because they don't win that many matches? I'm done with you, enjoy booing the forin lads at matches. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest reefatoon Posted July 22, 2019 Share Posted July 22, 2019 I really can't get my head around how people wanting to boycott is "making things worse". Would love to know the reasoning behind that doozy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted July 22, 2019 Share Posted July 22, 2019 Doesn't want boycotts in case it affects the performance of the football team (good, I hope it does) but is content to "give Steve Bruce a chance" as manager. I reckon that fat prick might have more of a negative effect on the team than whether or not you turn up to watch mate. So you actively want your football club to lose games? 🤔 It's an attitude I share with the guy whose pockets you just love filling. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shearergol Posted July 22, 2019 Share Posted July 22, 2019 I really can't get my head around how people wanting to boycott is "making things worse". Would love to know the reasoning behind that doozy. Because our players don't play as well when they know the fans are staying away. It means that Arsenal will probably beat us and we'll end up relegated rather than missing out by 1 place (which we should aim for, being a little old club in the north) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted July 22, 2019 Share Posted July 22, 2019 Out of interest, for those still attending, if the football club aren't interested in winning trophies or qualifying for Europe and the only goal is to do the absolute bare minimum to stay in the league, what's the point? Surely hope, optimism and entertainment are core values that drive attendance, you're getting none of those due the self imposed limitations on the team. And there we go... You don't support a football club because of how good or bad it is, or if it qualifies for Europe or even attempts too for that matter. You support a football club, because its YOUR football club, not because you have a good team or not. To say 'What's what's the point?' I'm sorry but you sound entitled and deluded. Should the majority of fans in the country just stop going then? It's not my football club anymore. When it was my club, whether the team was good, bad or indifferent I used to attend because of the hope and excitement of not knowing where the club was going. We could be in league one and I'd have attended because we were striving for something. It's now Mike Ashley's club, where it doesn't matter, we simply exists as a service to him. There is no optimism or excitement because we're not even trying. We deliberately do as little as we possibly can to stay in the league to provide our owner with funds. Is it e entitled or deluded to want a club that attempts to improve and better itself as a opposed to capitalist entity that exists to make cash for its owner? Are you satisfied with that state of affairs? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seymour Posted July 22, 2019 Share Posted July 22, 2019 Out of interest, for those still attending, if the football club aren't interested in winning trophies or qualifying for Europe and the only goal is to do the absolute bare minimum to stay in the league, what's the point? Surely hope, optimism and entertainment are core values that drive attendance, you're getting none of those due the self imposed limitations on the team. And there we go... You don't support a football club because of how good or bad it is, or if it qualifies for Europe or even attempts too for that matter. You support a football club, because its YOUR football club, not because you have a good team or not. To say 'What's what's the point?' I'm sorry but you sound entitled and deluded. Should the majority of fans in the country just stop going then? Can you name another club in the country actively not trying? Are any of them the 20th richest club in the world? Please tell me you understand that people are staying away because we're not trying, not because we're a bit s***? We'll apparently if you aren't challenging for Europe or trophies and you're only aim is to stay up, then what's the point? Thats half the league that man, can you not see how entitled that sounds? We have no right to be challenging Name me another club, even in this league, actively trying to NOT compete? Brighton Outspend us. Much smaller club, not in the top 20 richest clubs in the world. Never been on record as not wanting to compete. So basically you claim that they're not trying to compete because they don't win that many matches? I'm done with you, enjoy booing the forin lads at matches. Do they outspend us? 🤔 In the last 4 seasons we've out spent them actually. Why would I boo 'forin' lads? Strange thing to sat Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted July 22, 2019 Share Posted July 22, 2019 Didn't Brighton get to the FA Cup semi final last season? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seymour Posted July 22, 2019 Share Posted July 22, 2019 Out of interest, for those still attending, if the football club aren't interested in winning trophies or qualifying for Europe and the only goal is to do the absolute bare minimum to stay in the league, what's the point? Surely hope, optimism and entertainment are core values that drive attendance, you're getting none of those due the self imposed limitations on the team. And there we go... You don't support a football club because of how good or bad it is, or if it qualifies for Europe or even attempts too for that matter. You support a football club, because its YOUR football club, not because you have a good team or not. To say 'What's what's the point?' I'm sorry but you sound entitled and deluded. Should the majority of fans in the country just stop going then? It's not my football club anymore. When it was my club, whether the team was good, bad or indifferent I used to attend because of the hope and excitement of not knowing where the club was going. We could be in league one and I'd have attended because we were striving for something. It's now Mike Ashley's club, where it doesn't matter, we simply exists as a service to him. There is no optimism or excitement because we're not even trying. We deliberately do as little as we possibly can to stay in the league to provide our owner with funds. Is it e entitled or deluded to want a club that attempts to improve and better itself as a opposed to capitalist entity that exists to make cash for its owner? Are you satisfied with that state of affairs? Its not entitled or deluded to want a club that improve and better itself no. Every fanbase in the country wants that. But it is entitled and deluded to say that if a club isnt trying to compete for trophies and Europe and that the aim in to stay up then there's no point. Ofcourse there's a point, or no fucker in the country would go to games Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seymour Posted July 22, 2019 Share Posted July 22, 2019 Didn't Brighton get to the FA Cup semi final last season? Howay man So if Rafa got us to a semi-final last year would that mean that Ashley is 'trying'? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shearergol Posted July 22, 2019 Share Posted July 22, 2019 Out of interest, for those still attending, if the football club aren't interested in winning trophies or qualifying for Europe and the only goal is to do the absolute bare minimum to stay in the league, what's the point? Surely hope, optimism and entertainment are core values that drive attendance, you're getting none of those due the self imposed limitations on the team. And there we go... You don't support a football club because of how good or bad it is, or if it qualifies for Europe or even attempts too for that matter. You support a football club, because its YOUR football club, not because you have a good team or not. To say 'What's what's the point?' I'm sorry but you sound entitled and deluded. Should the majority of fans in the country just stop going then? Can you name another club in the country actively not trying? Are any of them the 20th richest club in the world? Please tell me you understand that people are staying away because we're not trying, not because we're a bit s***? We'll apparently if you aren't challenging for Europe or trophies and you're only aim is to stay up, then what's the point? Thats half the league that man, can you not see how entitled that sounds? We have no right to be challenging Name me another club, even in this league, actively trying to NOT compete? Brighton Outspend us. Much smaller club, not in the top 20 richest clubs in the world. Never been on record as not wanting to compete. So basically you claim that they're not trying to compete because they don't win that many matches? I'm done with you, enjoy booing the forin lads at matches. Do they outspend us? 🤔 In the last 4 seasons we've out spent them actually. Why would I boo 'forin' lads? Strange thing to sat Out of interest, for those still attending, if the football club aren't interested in winning trophies or qualifying for Europe and the only goal is to do the absolute bare minimum to stay in the league, what's the point? Surely hope, optimism and entertainment are core values that drive attendance, you're getting none of those due the self imposed limitations on the team. And there we go... You don't support a football club because of how good or bad it is, or if it qualifies for Europe or even attempts too for that matter. You support a football club, because its YOUR football club, not because you have a good team or not. To say 'What's what's the point?' I'm sorry but you sound entitled and deluded. Should the majority of fans in the country just stop going then? Can you name another club in the country actively not trying? Are any of them the 20th richest club in the world? Please tell me you understand that people are staying away because we're not trying, not because we're a bit s***? We'll apparently if you aren't challenging for Europe or trophies and you're only aim is to stay up, then what's the point? Thats half the league that man, can you not see how entitled that sounds? We have no right to be challenging Name me another club, even in this league, actively trying to NOT compete? Brighton Outspend us. Much smaller club, not in the top 20 richest clubs in the world. Never been on record as not wanting to compete. So basically you claim that they're not trying to compete because they don't win that many matches? I'm done with you, enjoy booing the forin lads at matches. Do they outspend us? 🤔 In the last 4 seasons we've out spent them actually. Why would I boo 'forin' lads? Strange thing to sat In the last 5 years they've spent £169.25m. We've spent £60.36m So yeah, they outspend us. You could have said "Burnley" as they have a very similar spend to us, but they got into Europe etc etc.... Maybe you could use Norwich and Sheff United as examples this year though. You know, similar clubs to us. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seymour Posted July 22, 2019 Share Posted July 22, 2019 What frustrates me most about this schism between the fans is that those that keep going see themselves as the true fans who are willing to keep going because they care for THEIR club. It’s not about being successful it’s about supporting your club through thick and thin. I disagree with that totally. And this is where I and it looks like the majority of people on this thread are completely different then. I'm sorry but you sound completely deluded. You don't support a football cub because it's successful or not! Why do you think that fans all over the country go to games, they don't have success, they support their football because they love it. This is why we get called deluded Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shearergol Posted July 22, 2019 Share Posted July 22, 2019 Didn't Brighton get to the FA Cup semi final last season? Howay man So if Rafa got us to a semi-final last year would that mean that Ashley is 'trying'? Well, erm, yeah, it would kinda show that the club's "do not entertain cup runs" policy is actually over. So yeah. Fuck you're stupid. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted July 22, 2019 Share Posted July 22, 2019 Isn't the point that that will not happen? The club is on record as saying they don't want to try and win cups, and they equip the squad with that in mind, hence we've not been to a single semi final since he arrived. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seymour Posted July 22, 2019 Share Posted July 22, 2019 Out of interest, for those still attending, if the football club aren't interested in winning trophies or qualifying for Europe and the only goal is to do the absolute bare minimum to stay in the league, what's the point? Surely hope, optimism and entertainment are core values that drive attendance, you're getting none of those due the self imposed limitations on the team. And there we go... You don't support a football club because of how good or bad it is, or if it qualifies for Europe or even attempts too for that matter. You support a football club, because its YOUR football club, not because you have a good team or not. To say 'What's what's the point?' I'm sorry but you sound entitled and deluded. Should the majority of fans in the country just stop going then? Can you name another club in the country actively not trying? Are any of them the 20th richest club in the world? Please tell me you understand that people are staying away because we're not trying, not because we're a bit s***? We'll apparently if you aren't challenging for Europe or trophies and you're only aim is to stay up, then what's the point? Thats half the league that man, can you not see how entitled that sounds? We have no right to be challenging Name me another club, even in this league, actively trying to NOT compete? Brighton Outspend us. Much smaller club, not in the top 20 richest clubs in the world. Never been on record as not wanting to compete. So basically you claim that they're not trying to compete because they don't win that many matches? I'm done with you, enjoy booing the forin lads at matches. Do they outspend us? 🤔 In the last 4 seasons we've out spent them actually. Why would I boo 'forin' lads? Strange thing to sat Out of interest, for those still attending, if the football club aren't interested in winning trophies or qualifying for Europe and the only goal is to do the absolute bare minimum to stay in the league, what's the point? Surely hope, optimism and entertainment are core values that drive attendance, you're getting none of those due the self imposed limitations on the team. And there we go... You don't support a football club because of how good or bad it is, or if it qualifies for Europe or even attempts too for that matter. You support a football club, because its YOUR football club, not because you have a good team or not. To say 'What's what's the point?' I'm sorry but you sound entitled and deluded. Should the majority of fans in the country just stop going then? Can you name another club in the country actively not trying? Are any of them the 20th richest club in the world? Please tell me you understand that people are staying away because we're not trying, not because we're a bit s***? We'll apparently if you aren't challenging for Europe or trophies and you're only aim is to stay up, then what's the point? Thats half the league that man, can you not see how entitled that sounds? We have no right to be challenging Name me another club, even in this league, actively trying to NOT compete? Brighton Outspend us. Much smaller club, not in the top 20 richest clubs in the world. Never been on record as not wanting to compete. So basically you claim that they're not trying to compete because they don't win that many matches? I'm done with you, enjoy booing the forin lads at matches. Do they outspend us? 🤔 In the last 4 seasons we've out spent them actually. Why would I boo 'forin' lads? Strange thing to sat In the last 5 years they've spent £169.25m. We've spent £60.36m So yeah, they outspend us. You could have said "Burnley" as they have a very similar spend to us, but they got into Europe etc etc.... Maybe you could use Norwich and Sheff United as examples this year though. You know, similar clubs to us. :lol: Where are you getting your figures from? We spent nearly 60m in one season in the championship for fuck sake, are you for real? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted July 22, 2019 Share Posted July 22, 2019 Out of interest, for those still attending, if the football club aren't interested in winning trophies or qualifying for Europe and the only goal is to do the absolute bare minimum to stay in the league, what's the point? Surely hope, optimism and entertainment are core values that drive attendance, you're getting none of those due the self imposed limitations on the team. And there we go... You don't support a football club because of how good or bad it is, or if it qualifies for Europe or even attempts too for that matter. You support a football club, because its YOUR football club, not because you have a good team or not. To say 'What's what's the point?' I'm sorry but you sound entitled and deluded. Should the majority of fans in the country just stop going then? It's not my football club anymore. When it was my club, whether the team was good, bad or indifferent I used to attend because of the hope and excitement of not knowing where the club was going. We could be in league one and I'd have attended because we were striving for something. It's now Mike Ashley's club, where it doesn't matter, we simply exists as a service to him. There is no optimism or excitement because we're not even trying. We deliberately do as little as we possibly can to stay in the league to provide our owner with funds. Is it e entitled or deluded to want a club that attempts to improve and better itself as a opposed to capitalist entity that exists to make cash for its owner? Are you satisfied with that state of affairs? Its not entitled or deluded to want a club that improve and better itself no. Every fanbase in the country wants that. But it is entitled and deluded to say that if a club isnt trying to compete for trophies and Europe and that the aim in to stay up then there's no point. Ofcourse there's a point, or no fucker in the country would go to games But big picture, those clubs will be trying to kick on and improve. We're actively doing the opposite. Also seeing as you insist on using the trophy/Europe comment as a straw man, the club said they aren't interested in these. Not that they couldn't achieve them at this point in time, or we were years off or it was flat out unrealistic, but that they sinply aren't interested in even putting a club in a position where one day it was a possibility. It's endemic of a club that's handicapped itself for the sole purpose of making cash for its owner. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seymour Posted July 22, 2019 Share Posted July 22, 2019 Didn't Brighton get to the FA Cup semi final last season? Howay man So if Rafa got us to a semi-final last year would that mean that Ashley is 'trying'? Well, erm, yeah, it would kinda show that the club's "do not entertain cup runs" policy is actually over. So yeah. f*** you're stupid. So are you saying that Rafa didn't get to the semi- final because the club don't entertain cup runs then? And I'm the stupid one apparently Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shearergol Posted July 22, 2019 Share Posted July 22, 2019 Out of interest, for those still attending, if the football club aren't interested in winning trophies or qualifying for Europe and the only goal is to do the absolute bare minimum to stay in the league, what's the point? Surely hope, optimism and entertainment are core values that drive attendance, you're getting none of those due the self imposed limitations on the team. And there we go... You don't support a football club because of how good or bad it is, or if it qualifies for Europe or even attempts too for that matter. You support a football club, because its YOUR football club, not because you have a good team or not. To say 'What's what's the point?' I'm sorry but you sound entitled and deluded. Should the majority of fans in the country just stop going then? Can you name another club in the country actively not trying? Are any of them the 20th richest club in the world? Please tell me you understand that people are staying away because we're not trying, not because we're a bit s***? We'll apparently if you aren't challenging for Europe or trophies and you're only aim is to stay up, then what's the point? Thats half the league that man, can you not see how entitled that sounds? We have no right to be challenging Name me another club, even in this league, actively trying to NOT compete? Brighton Outspend us. Much smaller club, not in the top 20 richest clubs in the world. Never been on record as not wanting to compete. So basically you claim that they're not trying to compete because they don't win that many matches? I'm done with you, enjoy booing the forin lads at matches. Do they outspend us? 🤔 In the last 4 seasons we've out spent them actually. Why would I boo 'forin' lads? Strange thing to sat Out of interest, for those still attending, if the football club aren't interested in winning trophies or qualifying for Europe and the only goal is to do the absolute bare minimum to stay in the league, what's the point? Surely hope, optimism and entertainment are core values that drive attendance, you're getting none of those due the self imposed limitations on the team. And there we go... You don't support a football club because of how good or bad it is, or if it qualifies for Europe or even attempts too for that matter. You support a football club, because its YOUR football club, not because you have a good team or not. To say 'What's what's the point?' I'm sorry but you sound entitled and deluded. Should the majority of fans in the country just stop going then? Can you name another club in the country actively not trying? Are any of them the 20th richest club in the world? Please tell me you understand that people are staying away because we're not trying, not because we're a bit s***? We'll apparently if you aren't challenging for Europe or trophies and you're only aim is to stay up, then what's the point? Thats half the league that man, can you not see how entitled that sounds? We have no right to be challenging Name me another club, even in this league, actively trying to NOT compete? Brighton Outspend us. Much smaller club, not in the top 20 richest clubs in the world. Never been on record as not wanting to compete. So basically you claim that they're not trying to compete because they don't win that many matches? I'm done with you, enjoy booing the forin lads at matches. Do they outspend us? 🤔 In the last 4 seasons we've out spent them actually. Why would I boo 'forin' lads? Strange thing to sat In the last 5 years they've spent £169.25m. We've spent £60.36m So yeah, they outspend us. You could have said "Burnley" as they have a very similar spend to us, but they got into Europe etc etc.... Maybe you could use Norwich and Sheff United as examples this year though. You know, similar clubs to us. :lol: Where are you getting your figures from? We spent nearly 60m in one season in the championship for fuck sake, are you for real? Never heard of net-spend? Newcastle United 19/20 £32.08m 18/19 £-10.59m 17/18 £-22.30m 16/17 £33.41m 15/16 £-92.95m TOTAL £-60.36m Brighton & Hove Albion 19/20 £-21.51m 18/19 £-67.46m 17/18 £-60.30m 16/17 £-7.88m 15/16 £-12.11m TOTAL £-169.25m But wait, that must mean they're spending money they don't really have (unless they use their match income, marketing, advertising, tv rights). Risky that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted July 22, 2019 Share Posted July 22, 2019 Out of interest, for those still attending, if the football club aren't interested in winning trophies or qualifying for Europe and the only goal is to do the absolute bare minimum to stay in the league, what's the point? Surely hope, optimism and entertainment are core values that drive attendance, you're getting none of those due the self imposed limitations on the team. And there we go... You don't support a football club because of how good or bad it is, or if it qualifies for Europe or even attempts too for that matter. You support a football club, because its YOUR football club, not because you have a good team or not. To say 'What's what's the point?' I'm sorry but you sound entitled and deluded. Should the majority of fans in the country just stop going then? this isn't the fucking point and you must know this, we've all stuck with the club through everything but we have a person in charge who not only isn't trying to make the club the best it can be (your club you say) but is actively impeding it's progress deliberately man we've been shit for the vast majority of all of our lives, this isn't about that Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seymour Posted July 22, 2019 Share Posted July 22, 2019 Out of interest, for those still attending, if the football club aren't interested in winning trophies or qualifying for Europe and the only goal is to do the absolute bare minimum to stay in the league, what's the point? Surely hope, optimism and entertainment are core values that drive attendance, you're getting none of those due the self imposed limitations on the team. And there we go... You don't support a football club because of how good or bad it is, or if it qualifies for Europe or even attempts too for that matter. You support a football club, because its YOUR football club, not because you have a good team or not. To say 'What's what's the point?' I'm sorry but you sound entitled and deluded. Should the majority of fans in the country just stop going then? It's not my football club anymore. When it was my club, whether the team was good, bad or indifferent I used to attend because of the hope and excitement of not knowing where the club was going. We could be in league one and I'd have attended because we were striving for something. It's now Mike Ashley's club, where it doesn't matter, we simply exists as a service to him. There is no optimism or excitement because we're not even trying. We deliberately do as little as we possibly can to stay in the league to provide our owner with funds. Is it e entitled or deluded to want a club that attempts to improve and better itself as a opposed to capitalist entity that exists to make cash for its owner? Are you satisfied with that state of affairs? Its not entitled or deluded to want a club that improve and better itself no. Every fanbase in the country wants that. But it is entitled and deluded to say that if a club isnt trying to compete for trophies and Europe and that the aim in to stay up then there's no point. Ofcourse there's a point, or no f***er in the country would go to games But big picture, those clubs will be trying to kick on and improve. We're actively doing the opposite. Also seeing as you insist on using the trophy/Europe comment as a straw man, the club said they aren't interested in these. Not that they couldn't achieve them at this point in time, or we were years off or it was flat out unrealistic, but that they sinply aren't interested in even putting a club in a position where one day it was a possibility. It's endemic of a club that's handicapped itself for the sole purpose of making cash for its owner. Do they? How do you know exactly? Huddersfield for a example, we got promoted with, now in the championship, did they try and kick on and improve? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seymour Posted July 22, 2019 Share Posted July 22, 2019 Out of interest, for those still attending, if the football club aren't interested in winning trophies or qualifying for Europe and the only goal is to do the absolute bare minimum to stay in the league, what's the point? Surely hope, optimism and entertainment are core values that drive attendance, you're getting none of those due the self imposed limitations on the team. And there we go... You don't support a football club because of how good or bad it is, or if it qualifies for Europe or even attempts too for that matter. You support a football club, because its YOUR football club, not because you have a good team or not. To say 'What's what's the point?' I'm sorry but you sound entitled and deluded. Should the majority of fans in the country just stop going then? Can you name another club in the country actively not trying? Are any of them the 20th richest club in the world? Please tell me you understand that people are staying away because we're not trying, not because we're a bit s***? We'll apparently if you aren't challenging for Europe or trophies and you're only aim is to stay up, then what's the point? Thats half the league that man, can you not see how entitled that sounds? We have no right to be challenging Name me another club, even in this league, actively trying to NOT compete? Brighton Outspend us. Much smaller club, not in the top 20 richest clubs in the world. Never been on record as not wanting to compete. So basically you claim that they're not trying to compete because they don't win that many matches? I'm done with you, enjoy booing the forin lads at matches. Do they outspend us? 🤔 In the last 4 seasons we've out spent them actually. Why would I boo 'forin' lads? Strange thing to sat Out of interest, for those still attending, if the football club aren't interested in winning trophies or qualifying for Europe and the only goal is to do the absolute bare minimum to stay in the league, what's the point? Surely hope, optimism and entertainment are core values that drive attendance, you're getting none of those due the self imposed limitations on the team. And there we go... You don't support a football club because of how good or bad it is, or if it qualifies for Europe or even attempts too for that matter. You support a football club, because its YOUR football club, not because you have a good team or not. To say 'What's what's the point?' I'm sorry but you sound entitled and deluded. Should the majority of fans in the country just stop going then? Can you name another club in the country actively not trying? Are any of them the 20th richest club in the world? Please tell me you understand that people are staying away because we're not trying, not because we're a bit s***? We'll apparently if you aren't challenging for Europe or trophies and you're only aim is to stay up, then what's the point? Thats half the league that man, can you not see how entitled that sounds? We have no right to be challenging Name me another club, even in this league, actively trying to NOT compete? Brighton Outspend us. Much smaller club, not in the top 20 richest clubs in the world. Never been on record as not wanting to compete. So basically you claim that they're not trying to compete because they don't win that many matches? I'm done with you, enjoy booing the forin lads at matches. Do they outspend us? 🤔 In the last 4 seasons we've out spent them actually. Why would I boo 'forin' lads? Strange thing to sat In the last 5 years they've spent £169.25m. We've spent £60.36m So yeah, they outspend us. You could have said "Burnley" as they have a very similar spend to us, but they got into Europe etc etc.... Maybe you could use Norwich and Sheff United as examples this year though. You know, similar clubs to us. :lol: Where are you getting your figures from? We spent nearly 60m in one season in the championship for f*** sake, are you for real? Never heard of net-spend? Newcastle United 19/20 £32.08m 18/19 £-10.59m 17/18 £-22.30m 16/17 £33.41m 15/16 £-92.95m TOTAL £-60.36m Brighton & Hove Albion 19/20 £-21.51m 18/19 £-67.46m 17/18 £-60.30m 16/17 £-7.88m 15/16 £-12.11m TOTAL £-169.25m But wait, that must mean they're spending money they don't really have (unless they use their match income, marketing, advertising, tv rights). Risky that. :lol: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted July 22, 2019 Share Posted July 22, 2019 Huddersfield for a example, we got promoted with, now in the championship, did they try and kick on and improve? yes, they tried and they failed...it's happens, but they certainly spent money and tried, changed the manager and tried Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shearergol Posted July 22, 2019 Share Posted July 22, 2019 Out of interest, for those still attending, if the football club aren't interested in winning trophies or qualifying for Europe and the only goal is to do the absolute bare minimum to stay in the league, what's the point? Surely hope, optimism and entertainment are core values that drive attendance, you're getting none of those due the self imposed limitations on the team. And there we go... You don't support a football club because of how good or bad it is, or if it qualifies for Europe or even attempts too for that matter. You support a football club, because its YOUR football club, not because you have a good team or not. To say 'What's what's the point?' I'm sorry but you sound entitled and deluded. Should the majority of fans in the country just stop going then? It's not my football club anymore. When it was my club, whether the team was good, bad or indifferent I used to attend because of the hope and excitement of not knowing where the club was going. We could be in league one and I'd have attended because we were striving for something. It's now Mike Ashley's club, where it doesn't matter, we simply exists as a service to him. There is no optimism or excitement because we're not even trying. We deliberately do as little as we possibly can to stay in the league to provide our owner with funds. Is it e entitled or deluded to want a club that attempts to improve and better itself as a opposed to capitalist entity that exists to make cash for its owner? Are you satisfied with that state of affairs? Its not entitled or deluded to want a club that improve and better itself no. Every fanbase in the country wants that. But it is entitled and deluded to say that if a club isnt trying to compete for trophies and Europe and that the aim in to stay up then there's no point. Ofcourse there's a point, or no f***er in the country would go to games But big picture, those clubs will be trying to kick on and improve. We're actively doing the opposite. Also seeing as you insist on using the trophy/Europe comment as a straw man, the club said they aren't interested in these. Not that they couldn't achieve them at this point in time, or we were years off or it was flat out unrealistic, but that they sinply aren't interested in even putting a club in a position where one day it was a possibility. It's endemic of a club that's handicapped itself for the sole purpose of making cash for its owner. Do they? How do you know exactly? Huddersfield for a example, we got promoted with, now in the championship, did they try and kick on and improve? Are Huddersfield a good comparison, in your mind? Is that our level? If you're happy with that, carry on. You realise the reason we had to get promoted with them is because Ashley's business plan resulted in us being relegated yeah? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shearergol Posted July 22, 2019 Share Posted July 22, 2019 Out of interest, for those still attending, if the football club aren't interested in winning trophies or qualifying for Europe and the only goal is to do the absolute bare minimum to stay in the league, what's the point? Surely hope, optimism and entertainment are core values that drive attendance, you're getting none of those due the self imposed limitations on the team. And there we go... You don't support a football club because of how good or bad it is, or if it qualifies for Europe or even attempts too for that matter. You support a football club, because its YOUR football club, not because you have a good team or not. To say 'What's what's the point?' I'm sorry but you sound entitled and deluded. Should the majority of fans in the country just stop going then? Can you name another club in the country actively not trying? Are any of them the 20th richest club in the world? Please tell me you understand that people are staying away because we're not trying, not because we're a bit s***? We'll apparently if you aren't challenging for Europe or trophies and you're only aim is to stay up, then what's the point? Thats half the league that man, can you not see how entitled that sounds? We have no right to be challenging Name me another club, even in this league, actively trying to NOT compete? Brighton Outspend us. Much smaller club, not in the top 20 richest clubs in the world. Never been on record as not wanting to compete. So basically you claim that they're not trying to compete because they don't win that many matches? I'm done with you, enjoy booing the forin lads at matches. Do they outspend us? 🤔 In the last 4 seasons we've out spent them actually. Why would I boo 'forin' lads? Strange thing to sat Out of interest, for those still attending, if the football club aren't interested in winning trophies or qualifying for Europe and the only goal is to do the absolute bare minimum to stay in the league, what's the point? Surely hope, optimism and entertainment are core values that drive attendance, you're getting none of those due the self imposed limitations on the team. And there we go... You don't support a football club because of how good or bad it is, or if it qualifies for Europe or even attempts too for that matter. You support a football club, because its YOUR football club, not because you have a good team or not. To say 'What's what's the point?' I'm sorry but you sound entitled and deluded. Should the majority of fans in the country just stop going then? Can you name another club in the country actively not trying? Are any of them the 20th richest club in the world? Please tell me you understand that people are staying away because we're not trying, not because we're a bit s***? We'll apparently if you aren't challenging for Europe or trophies and you're only aim is to stay up, then what's the point? Thats half the league that man, can you not see how entitled that sounds? We have no right to be challenging Name me another club, even in this league, actively trying to NOT compete? Brighton Outspend us. Much smaller club, not in the top 20 richest clubs in the world. Never been on record as not wanting to compete. So basically you claim that they're not trying to compete because they don't win that many matches? I'm done with you, enjoy booing the forin lads at matches. Do they outspend us? 🤔 In the last 4 seasons we've out spent them actually. Why would I boo 'forin' lads? Strange thing to sat In the last 5 years they've spent £169.25m. We've spent £60.36m So yeah, they outspend us. You could have said "Burnley" as they have a very similar spend to us, but they got into Europe etc etc.... Maybe you could use Norwich and Sheff United as examples this year though. You know, similar clubs to us. :lol: Where are you getting your figures from? We spent nearly 60m in one season in the championship for f*** sake, are you for real? Never heard of net-spend? Newcastle United 19/20 £32.08m 18/19 £-10.59m 17/18 £-22.30m 16/17 £33.41m 15/16 £-92.95m TOTAL £-60.36m Brighton & Hove Albion 19/20 £-21.51m 18/19 £-67.46m 17/18 £-60.30m 16/17 £-7.88m 15/16 £-12.11m TOTAL £-169.25m But wait, that must mean they're spending money they don't really have (unless they use their match income, marketing, advertising, tv rights). Risky that. :lol: What's funny then? You said Brighton actively try to not compete. I've showed you how much money they've spent TRYING to compete. Where's your argument? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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