Guest Howaythetoon Posted December 29, 2019 Share Posted December 29, 2019 I apologise for my part in any of the crap, new year coming, new peace ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
samptime29 Posted December 29, 2019 Share Posted December 29, 2019 Fair enough, I won't instigate any more shit patter. I will keep it civil. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted December 29, 2019 Share Posted December 29, 2019 Fair enough, I won't instigate any more shit patter. I will keep it civil. I’m gonna stay out of match threads! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted December 29, 2019 Share Posted December 29, 2019 Everyone on here wants what’s best for NUFC, regardless of way/how/why etc. As Andy said, Ashley just keeps winning when fans turn on each other Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted December 29, 2019 Share Posted December 29, 2019 So can we all agree that Ashley is the start and finish of all this and vent our spleens on him and his businesses. Get to him and the rest will disappear with him. Nobody else seen how LOTR ends...... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattoon Posted December 29, 2019 Share Posted December 29, 2019 Well that was fun I echo the above opinion, we all can agree that Ashley is the real problem, Bruce's involvement is up for interpretation and his ability/results are too. Trouble is, you come in after Rafa and you're going to be measured with a Rafa sized stick, no one could truly replace him and anyone that came in after that fiasco was going to get pellets and do you blame the fans for feeling that way? Whether it's Bruce's fault or not it's a huge slap in the face and confirmation that survival is the dizzying heights of ambition, like it or not Bruce's past record is nothing short of discraceful and he shouldn't be here. Whether it's in the PL or tumbling down the tables, one day we will get rid of Ashley and we can all celebrate together, we all have differing opinions on how best to achieve that and what needs to happen. If you get triggered by other people's opinion then maybe you shouldn't be on here, we're all entitled to feel how we want to feel and attacking each other solves nothing. I think Bruce is a waste of space, he's an extension of Ashley, a shill and I want him gone, i want everyone gone until Ashley can't hire anyone any more, if it gets rid of him, I'd accept playing in the 3rd tier of football and I don't enjoy seeing us win because it's not us anymore, its Ashley FC and it doesn't deserve my love. I can understand people holding on to whatever is left and hoping we can stay in the league and be sold, I don't agree with it but I cam empathise. The only thing I can't understand is paying Ashley money to do what he's doing to the club. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
samptime29 Posted December 29, 2019 Share Posted December 29, 2019 I'm sorry for going too far. I got a bit wound up. We all agree Ashley is the problem, and we need that cunt gone. Start fresh from here, and won't send any arsey replies. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest covmag Posted December 29, 2019 Share Posted December 29, 2019 ive little to add, been a bad week on here, I’m leaving this and the matchday thread alone from now. Betting , Mackems hatred, bit of transfers and I will comment on our league position , the rest is just too emotive.Bruce isn’t very good but we all knew that , following a class act is always tough. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robster Posted December 29, 2019 Share Posted December 29, 2019 Everyone Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gallowgate End Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 https://twitter.com/NUFC/status/1211640581622906880?s=20 Bruce being misleading as usual. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
t00nraider Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 My view is the best thing to do is to accept Ashley is impossible to get rid of and any protesting only damages the club. We should support Bruce and the team. For the money spent on Almiron we should have got a much better return. The money was spent though and then doubled on another player so it's not as if there is no money being spent. We have players like Colback and Saviet holding us back also. Gayle, Muto and Ki offering next to nowt. Getting rid of these players and replacing with decent players would give us a solid squad. Sooner the better as Bruce doesn't have much options at the moment. And yet Bruce has not once played him in the position he started with promise last season. Yet you choose to support that? The same position where did did nowt there either. No goals and no assists. Passing and shooting just as shocking. Hopefully learns how to dive as this is the only potential as it will be another 40 shots to get another goal. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
toon25 Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 Lucky, inept, fat, cabbage head cunt. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 So what happens? Bruce goes, we get another distinctly average manager and the cycle starts again. I expect every club to be strive to be the best version of itself, that’s not going to happen under Ashley and every time some momentum gets going on him personally it gets side tracked by something else. This all starts and ends with Ashley, wasting time and energy on Bruce at this point serves no purpose, he’s easily replaced by another manager from the merry go round and that will continue until Ashley goes. Bruce bashing doesn’t hurt Ashley, not buying from his shops does (yes, I know that conflicts with going to the match) publicising his lies, deceit and disregard does. I simply do not understand why there is not a constant, consistent Ashley out campaign. He doesn’t like personal protests or folk pointing out his lies - he’ll happily allow Bruce or any other manager take the flak for what is undoubtably his doing. Well I disagree quite strongly. I could accept the argument that Ashley wants to run the club on a tight budget, but we have spent good money in the last couple of transfer windows, but it is all wasted because we have no one at the club with the football knowledge to ensure it is spent wisely. Rafa at least was providing that. If we didn't want to keep him, we could at least have scouted a well rated up and coming manager like Brighton and Norwich did, instead of picking up yet another reject from the British PFM scrapheap. Bruce's only redeeming feature from what I can see is that he is a Geordie. He's not going to push Ashley to compete for honours, he's not going to insist on signing the players he wants, and from the football we've seen so far, he seems to have no idea how to construct a successful side - and by successful, I mean one that would finish mid-table and play relatively attractive football. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
geordie john Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 My view is the best thing to do is to accept Ashley is impossible to get rid of and any protesting only damages the club. We should support Bruce and the team. For the money spent on Almiron we should have got a much better return. The money was spent though and then doubled on another player so it's not as if there is no money being spent. We have players like Colback and Saviet holding us back also. Gayle, Muto and Ki offering next to nowt. Getting rid of these players and replacing with decent players would give us a solid squad. Sooner the better as Bruce doesn't have much options at the moment. I despair. The line of least resistance has been broken and replaced by subordination. 'Accept Ashley'? 'Support Bruce'? The end of NUFC, as we knew and truly loved it, is here. With 50,000 supporters like you there is simply no point. I can only hope that one day - perhaps many years from now - you will experience the extraordinary joys and ecstasy of what a true owner and great manager can and will achieve. As I have done several times in my long and eventful life. Until then accept dross, because that is what you have just advocated. You deserve it......... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
geordie john Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 (Managers who have taken charge of more than 300 Premier League games) Manager Games W D L W% Sir Alex Ferguson 810 528 168 114 65.2 Jose Mourinho 313 195 71 47 62.3 Arsene Wenger 828 476 199 153 57.5 Rafael Benitez 340 168 82 90 49.4 David Moyes 526 204 144 178 38.8 Harry Redknapp 641 236 167 238 36.8 Martin O'Neill 359 130 115 114 36.2 Roy Hodgson 308 107 78 123 34.7 Alan Pardew 320 109 68 143 34.1 Sam Allardyce 512 174 138 200 34 Mark Hughes 466 158 127 181 33.9 Alan Curbishley 328 108 85 135 32.9 Joe Kinnear 302 97 92 113 32.1 Tony Pulis 322 98 93 131 30.4 Steve Bruce 412 117 113 182 28.4 Impressive that we've recruited 4 of the bottom 7! Guess who our next four managers are going to be??? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 So what happens? Bruce goes, we get another distinctly average manager and the cycle starts again. I expect every club to be strive to be the best version of itself, that’s not going to happen under Ashley and every time some momentum gets going on him personally it gets side tracked by something else. This all starts and ends with Ashley, wasting time and energy on Bruce at this point serves no purpose, he’s easily replaced by another manager from the merry go round and that will continue until Ashley goes. Bruce bashing doesn’t hurt Ashley, not buying from his shops does (yes, I know that conflicts with going to the match) publicising his lies, deceit and disregard does. I simply do not understand why there is not a constant, consistent Ashley out campaign. He doesn’t like personal protests or folk pointing out his lies - he’ll happily allow Bruce or any other manager take the flak for what is undoubtably his doing. Well I disagree quite strongly. I could accept the argument that Ashley wants to run the club on a tight budget, but we have spent good money in the last couple of transfer windows, but it is all wasted because we have no one at the club with the football knowledge to ensure it is spent wisely. Rafa at least was providing that. If we didn't want to keep him, we could at least have scouted a well rated up and coming manager like Brighton and Norwich did, instead of picking up yet another reject from the British PFM scrapheap. Bruce's only redeeming feature from what I can see is that he is a Geordie. He's not going to push Ashley to compete for honours, he's not going to insist on signing the players he wants, and from the football we've seen so far, he seems to have no idea how to construct a successful side - and by successful, I mean one that would finish mid-table and play relatively attractive football. We’ve spent money on players who fit the criteria where we are gambling on resale value, the Joelinton transfer has Ashley’s grubby mitts all over it. There’s not a chance in hell that he’ll appoint a manager that the fans will adore like Rafa, or who he thinks will challenge him and the way he runs the club. Forget Bruce, forget who comes in next, let’s get at Ashley. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Crooks Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 Ashley has been got at most ways within the bounds of the law tbh. All avenues of pressure need exploring - Charnley, sponsors, Bruce should all be fair game where appropriate. The methods/facilitators have to be attacked as much as the man himself. Charnley/Barnes shouldn’t set foot in the city without grief. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 So what happens? Bruce goes, we get another distinctly average manager and the cycle starts again. I expect every club to be strive to be the best version of itself, that’s not going to happen under Ashley and every time some momentum gets going on him personally it gets side tracked by something else. This all starts and ends with Ashley, wasting time and energy on Bruce at this point serves no purpose, he’s easily replaced by another manager from the merry go round and that will continue until Ashley goes. Bruce bashing doesn’t hurt Ashley, not buying from his shops does (yes, I know that conflicts with going to the match) publicising his lies, deceit and disregard does. I simply do not understand why there is not a constant, consistent Ashley out campaign. He doesn’t like personal protests or folk pointing out his lies - he’ll happily allow Bruce or any other manager take the flak for what is undoubtably his doing. Well I disagree quite strongly. I could accept the argument that Ashley wants to run the club on a tight budget, but we have spent good money in the last couple of transfer windows, but it is all wasted because we have no one at the club with the football knowledge to ensure it is spent wisely. Rafa at least was providing that. If we didn't want to keep him, we could at least have scouted a well rated up and coming manager like Brighton and Norwich did, instead of picking up yet another reject from the British PFM scrapheap. Bruce's only redeeming feature from what I can see is that he is a Geordie. He's not going to push Ashley to compete for honours, he's not going to insist on signing the players he wants, and from the football we've seen so far, he seems to have no idea how to construct a successful side - and by successful, I mean one that would finish mid-table and play relatively attractive football. We’ve spent money on players who fit the criteria where we are gambling on resale value, the Joelinton transfer has Ashley’s grubby mitts all over it. There’s not a chance in hell that he’ll appoint a manager that the fans will adore like Rafa, or who he thinks will challenge him and the way he runs the club. Forget Bruce, forget who comes in next, let’s get at Ashley. But Ashley has appointed local lad Steve Bruce precisely so we don't get after the owner. Are you going to get after Ashley or instead raise a big St James park cheer every time Andy Carroll wins a header? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robster Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 Forget Bruce, forget who comes in next, let’s get at Ashley. We should get at them both. Getting at Bruce gets at Ashley indirectly. Sports Direct is so difficult to touch given the rest of the country doesn't give a shit about NUFC. We need to work on Ashley and his army of sycophants and that starts with current 'Smithers impersonator-in-chief', Steve Bruce. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
t00nraider Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 My view is the best thing to do is to accept Ashley is impossible to get rid of and any protesting only damages the club. We should support Bruce and the team. For the money spent on Almiron we should have got a much better return. The money was spent though and then doubled on another player so it's not as if there is no money being spent. We have players like Colback and Saviet holding us back also. Gayle, Muto and Ki offering next to nowt. Getting rid of these players and replacing with decent players would give us a solid squad. Sooner the better as Bruce doesn't have much options at the moment. I despair. The line of least resistance has been broken and replaced by subordination. 'Accept Ashley'? 'Support Bruce'? The end of NUFC, as we knew and truly loved it, is here. With 50,000 supporters like you there is simply no point. I can only hope that one day - perhaps many years from now - you will experience the extraordinary joys and ecstasy of what a true owner and great manager can and will achieve. As I have done several times in my long and eventful life. Until then accept dross, because that is what you have just advocated. You deserve it......... I have experienced the joys under Keegan and Sir Bob. Owners good but left the books in a mess. Advocating dross or not, the outcome will be the same as there is too many factors in Ashley's favour. The money made from TV and sponsorship means even an empty stadium would have little difference. I still think the team will come good. Money being spent on the likes of Almiron and Joelinton should continue if we stay up. I just hope we get better value. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robster Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 The money made from TV and sponsorship means even an empty stadium would have little difference. Classic. Makes so little difference that in a blind panic, he's just handed out 10,000 free season tickets because there are gaps in the stands. Honestly, man. Work better on your routine. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
t00nraider Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 He's realised people won't pay the ticket prices so he may as well give them away free. Good PR work so it's a no brainer. It lures in new fans also. A full house cheering the team on to get a higher placed finish also will more than cover the lack of ticket sales. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thomas Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 FICTION: he did the bare minimum that cost him nothing to lure some doylums back in. FACT: over a span of 7 days, in a series of increasingly anxious and desperate conference calls with keith bishop, various 3rd world despots and satan himself they hatched the half season ticket plan to fill seats. just saying there's a gradient between blind panic and total comfort. He'll exert the tiniest effort but probably doesn't give much of a toss. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ_NUFC Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 My view is the best thing to do is to accept Ashley is impossible to get rid of and any protesting only damages the club. We should support Bruce and the team. For the money spent on Almiron we should have got a much better return. The money was spent though and then doubled on another player so it's not as if there is no money being spent. We have players like Colback and Saviet holding us back also. Gayle, Muto and Ki offering next to nowt. Getting rid of these players and replacing with decent players would give us a solid squad. Sooner the better as Bruce doesn't have much options at the moment. I despair. The line of least resistance has been broken and replaced by subordination. 'Accept Ashley'? 'Support Bruce'? The end of NUFC, as we knew and truly loved it, is here. With 50,000 supporters like you there is simply no point. I can only hope that one day - perhaps many years from now - you will experience the extraordinary joys and ecstasy of what a true owner and great manager can and will achieve. As I have done several times in my long and eventful life. Until then accept dross, because that is what you have just advocated. You deserve it......... I have experienced the joys under Keegan and Sir Bob. Owners good but left the books in a mess. Advocating dross or not, the outcome will be the same as there is too many factors in Ashley's favour. The money made from TV and sponsorship means even an empty stadium would have little difference. I still think the team will come good. Money being spent on the likes of Almiron and Joelinton should continue if we stay up. I just hope we get better value. Buddy, have you forgotten how Rafa was treated in consecutive windows? Have you seen our net spend compared to every other team, including newly promoted ones? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilson Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 Forget Bruce, forget who comes in next, let’s get at Ashley. We should get at them both. Getting at Bruce gets at Ashley indirectly. Sports Direct is so difficult to touch given the rest of the country doesn't give a shit about NUFC. We need to work on Ashley and his army of sycophants and that starts with current 'Smithers impersonator-in-chief', Steve Bruce. People don't seem to see this, and it infuriates me Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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