Joelinton: will not play against Everton (Howe)

[TRon]

I mean, if we don't have a target man, then don't play a formation that requires a fucking target man

 

We could try doing that even with Joelinton. He clearly doesn't relish high balls winged at him from deep. Get the ball into his feet and see how he gets on. Problem is we don't have enough good possession to get the ball up the pitch where he should be operating.

 

Absolutely. Try playing to his strengths.

Which are?  I'm intrigued to know what Joelinton's attributes are.

 

Looks to have decent feet in the penalty area on the rare occasion he gets the ball in there. Other than that can't really say until we start getting the ball coming in from decent angles.

 

I'm watching Liverpool v Spurs and Kane gets on the end of an aimless ball hoofed up by a defender.  He gets in front of his marker (that's in front of the defender Joelinton) and Son picks up the ball and Spurs nearly score.  Why can't our centre forward (cough) do something similar.  He is clueless I tell you.

 

Don't think anyone is trying to argue that he's good at dealing with long high punts. How many Brazilian forwards do you know that are?

[KaKa]

I mean, if we don't have a target man, then don't play a formation that requires a fucking target man

 

We could try doing that even with Joelinton. He clearly doesn't relish high balls winged at him from deep. Get the ball into his feet and see how he gets on. Problem is we don't have enough good possession to get the ball up the pitch where he should be operating.

 

Absolutely. Try playing to his strengths.

Which are?  I'm intrigued to know what Joelinton's attributes are.

 

Looks to have decent feet in the penalty area on the rare occasion he gets the ball in there. Other than that can't really say until we start getting the ball coming in from decent angles.

 

I'm watching Liverpool v Spurs and Kane gets on the end of an aimless ball hoofed up by a defender.  He gets in front of his marker (that's in front of the defender Joelinton) and Son picks up the ball and Spurs nearly score.  Why can't our centre forward (cough) do something similar.  He is clueless I tell you.

 

It was great play by Kane. How often is he asked to do that though? It was one time.

 

You can't say Joelinton never managed that earlier this season. It has all worm thin now though.

 

He never gets any other opportunities to get on the ball and get a feel for the game and grow into things.

 

Think it's all really unfortunate for the guy. It's a terrible situation to come into as a new player in the league.

 

I understand people's frustration at this point though, so won't begrudge you that.

[Greg]

I mean, if we don't have a target man, then don't play a formation that requires a f***ing target man

 

We could try doing that even with Joelinton. He clearly doesn't relish high balls winged at him from deep. Get the ball into his feet and see how he gets on. Problem is we don't have enough good possession to get the ball up the pitch where he should be operating.

 

Absolutely. Try playing to his strengths.

Which are?  I'm intrigued to know what Joelinton's attributes are.

 

Looks to have decent feet in the penalty area on the rare occasion he gets the ball in there. Other than that can't really say until we start getting the ball coming in from decent angles.

 

I'm watching Liverpool v Spurs and Kane gets on the end of an aimless ball hoofed up by a defender.  He gets in front of his marker (that's in front of the defender Joelinton) and Son picks up the ball and Spurs nearly score.  Why can't our centre forward (cough) do something similar.  He is clueless I tell you.

 

Harry Kane is a centre forward and has been a centre forward for a long time. He also has a far better supply.

 

Joelinton has never played this role before in his life, no wonder he looks shite. It's not his fault, he shouldn't be there being asked to do this.

[Rod]

I mean, if we don't have a target man, then don't play a formation that requires a f***ing target man

 

We could try doing that even with Joelinton. He clearly doesn't relish high balls winged at him from deep. Get the ball into his feet and see how he gets on. Problem is we don't have enough good possession to get the ball up the pitch where he should be operating.

 

Absolutely. Try playing to his strengths.

Which are?  I'm intrigued to know what Joelinton's attributes are.

 

Looks to have decent feet in the penalty area on the rare occasion he gets the ball in there. Other than that can't really say until we start getting the ball coming in from decent angles.

 

I'm watching Liverpool v Spurs and Kane gets on the end of an aimless ball hoofed up by a defender.  He gets in front of his marker (that's in front of the defender Joelinton) and Son picks up the ball and Spurs nearly score.  Why can't our centre forward (cough) do something similar.  He is clueless I tell you.

 

Harry Kane is a centre forward and has been a centre forward for a long time. He also has a far better supply.

 

Joelinton has never played this role before in his life, no wonder he looks shite. It's not his fault, he shouldn't be there being asked to do this.

 

Greg, I'm going around in circles with this.  Let's cut to the Chase.  Do you think Joelinton should be playing in this football team?  Yes or no.

[Greg]

I mean, if we don't have a target man, then don't play a formation that requires a f***ing target man

 

We could try doing that even with Joelinton. He clearly doesn't relish high balls winged at him from deep. Get the ball into his feet and see how he gets on. Problem is we don't have enough good possession to get the ball up the pitch where he should be operating.

 

Absolutely. Try playing to his strengths.

Which are?  I'm intrigued to know what Joelinton's attributes are.

 

Looks to have decent feet in the penalty area on the rare occasion he gets the ball in there. Other than that can't really say until we start getting the ball coming in from decent angles.

 

I'm watching Liverpool v Spurs and Kane gets on the end of an aimless ball hoofed up by a defender.  He gets in front of his marker (that's in front of the defender Joelinton) and Son picks up the ball and Spurs nearly score.  Why can't our centre forward (cough) do something similar.  He is clueless I tell you.

 

Harry Kane is a centre forward and has been a centre forward for a long time. He also has a far better supply.

 

Joelinton has never played this role before in his life, no wonder he looks s****. It's not his fault, he shouldn't be there being asked to do this.

 

Greg, I'm going around in circles with this.  Let's cut to the Chase.  Do you think Joelinton should be playing in this football team?  Yes or no.

 

No.

[Marmoset]

Is he a good crosser of a ball? YouTube has some really good running with the ball from deep but not a lot of passing or crossing.

 

Played into feet his link play has been nice at times this season, but I just can't picture him playing where Ayoze played or on the wing, based on these 10 games.

 

For people who saw him in Germany and say he's not in his correct position, who would you compare him to? Like a Rashford/Martial coming in from the side type?

[Guest chopey]

Rafa must be building the biggest megaphone in the world and standing it on top of China's highest mountain pointing it at Ashley....

 

"I TOLD YOU SO"

[Guest]

Rafa must be building the biggest megaphone in the world and standing it on top of China's highest mountain pointing it at Ashley....

 

"I TOLD YOU SO"

 

Do you think Rondon would do any better in this set up? He didn’t under a Pulis or Pardew team so see no reason why he would under a Bruce one. Someone else pointed out, we don’t press as a three like we did last season. Joelinton is often playing with his back to goal with two centre-backs on him and no team mate within 20-30 yards of him. I think these 3 attackers with Benitez would work. Under a shitebag like Bruce, they won’t. Simple really.

[RS]

Mike Ashley’s footballing House of Fraser.

[Disco]

Might be even sooner than predicted the Donnay Army turn on him. A missed chance or losing a 50/50 against Bournemouth could be enough. Cannot wait.

[Hughesy]

Controversial opinion - but I don't actually think he looks that bad...

 

He actually won quite a few flicks on yesterday but there was no one around him.

[Guest reefatoon]

Like Bruce said, it's all Rafa's fault, and its absolutely wrecking Joelinton's game.  Even though Joelinton never played for Rafa, he is also caught up in this mysterious defensive mentality that is plaguing the training ground.

[Conjo]

It's impossible to judge him considering how the team is playing, but I am fairly certain Rondon would have done better both in contributing to winning and retaining the ball as a lone battering ram, and in terms of goals return.

 

Rondon scored 9 in 34, 8 in 37 and 7 in 37 in the league in his three seasons for WBA under Pulis and Pardew.

 

Joelinton has a job to do if he is going to match that.

[Minhosa]

Might be even sooner than predicted the Donnay Army turn on him. A missed chance or losing a 50/50 against Bournemouth could be enough. Cannot wait.

 

I think we're one game off the bloke getting pelters tbh.

 

Would be hilariously ironic that the one bloke Ashley pays actual PL level money for gets abused due to Bruce's sheer incompetence :lol:

 

Also hilarious that there were dickheads out there lauding the signing of Andy 'Glue Factory' Carroll as some sort of saviour too.

[Dunce]

Im not sure top premier league money was paid for him.

If he is on 50k a week , this equates to nearly 16million over a 6yr contract.

You can guarantee this will be part of the '40million transfer fee' , they have history of doing this.

Then you have agents fees and addons for goals/appearances Etc.

I bet the actual transfer fee was closer to 15million.

If his wages werent included , the club would of called it a 65million deal or whatever...

[TRC]

50k a week is nothing these days in the PL. Pretty sure when we signed Duncan Ferguson over 20 years ago he was on 40k.

[geordiedean]

if hes only on 50k a week that says an awful lot that this whole deal stinks. Genuine 40m players are earning more than that

[Guest]

Interesting...

 

[AyeDubbleYoo]

He looks a good player to me, different to Rondon and playing in a much worse team, certainly.

[xLiaaamx]

Sick of the scapegoating. Maybe if we stopped playing 7-2-1 and moved from our 18 yard line rather than just flinging it in his general direction, he might have some joy.

[David Edgar]

Those stats surprise me cos he just doesn't look as effective a target man as Rondon did.

[TRC]

He looks a good player to me, different to Rondon and playing in a much worse team, certainly.

 

How is it a much worse team? Much worse system yes, but not team IMO.

[TRon]

Those stats surprise me cos he just doesn't look as effective a target man as Rondon did.

 

Rondon wasn't as isolated, we were playing far more effectively as a unit under Rafa. Perez was always floating around awell.  St Maximin looks great when he's running with the ball, but he doesn't really link well with Joelinton.

[Bimpy474]

Saw him 3 or 4 times yesterday indicate where he wanted it, to his feet, chest or in the channel, only to see it sail miles over his head.

 

he has manager who's made of just cake and lard making things harder, also some decent play from his teammates might help as well like. Chuck in the lad needs time to settle, he's having a hard time at the moment but he decent imo.

[AyeDubbleYoo]

He looks a good player to me, different to Rondon and playing in a much worse team, certainly.

 

How is it a much worse team? Much worse system yes, but not team IMO.

 

Well whatever, system, manager and/or players make the team. A combination of all of those.