SUPERTOON Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 6 minutes ago, Hanshithispantz said: Link? Any sale improves your FFP obviously, but you don't like for like replace a player (especially one not on really high wages) for the purposes of improving your finances. And this one Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 3 minutes ago, SUPERTOON said: Don’t know how true it is but this is the link I dunno, it seems fanciful that selling a player for £40m would allow you to go on and spend £120m? Where are our resident accountants? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBG Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 1 minute ago, Menace said: I honestly think its Gordon's hair that pushes people over the edge. And the fact he's not called Antonio Gordonoldo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skeletor Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 3 minutes ago, Menace said: I honestly think its Gordon's hair that pushes people over the edge. It is dreadful to be fair. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kocunar Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 Just now, Hanshithispantz said: I dunno, it seems fanciful that selling a player for £40m would allow you to go on and spend £120m? Where are our resident accountants? It's true but it isn't. First of all it presupposes that the fee will be £40m. If it ends up being €25m it hardly movies the needle. Secondly, there is no way we push the FFP to its limit this season anyway. If we do: 1. Next season will be very exciting 2. We are idiots Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RodneyCisse Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 4 minutes ago, Menace said: I honestly think its Gordon's hair that pushes people over the edge. He needs a Jarhead cut. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobody Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 €25m is an absolute piss take man. Would be very disappointed with that like. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jigen Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 I don't know why Newcastle stopped buying young talent abroad and started buying in the inflated English market. Is it because of Howe? Serious mistake to make the market by taking players the manager knows (you can see Chelsea last summer). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 (edited) 45 minutes ago, Hanshithispantz said: I dunno, it seems fanciful that selling a player for £40m would allow you to go on and spend £120m? Where are our resident accountants? I'm not an accountant, but as I understand it... If we get £30 million ASM, minus the value of his remaining contract, we can immediately put say £26 million on the balance sheet. If we sign a player for £40 million over five years, plus his contract value, that's circa £10 million on this year's books. So in theory at least it allows you to sign two £40 million players with a good chunk towards another. Edited July 19, 2023 by The Prophet Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 Just now, jigen said: I don't know why Newcastle stopped buying young talent abroad and started buying in the inflated English market. Is it because of Howe? Serious mistake to make the market by taking players the manager knows (you can see Chelsea last summer). The fee for Gordon seemed inflated at the time, but I don't think we've particularly overpaid for others. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadow Puppets Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 1 minute ago, jigen said: I don't know why Newcastle stopped buying young talent abroad and started buying in the inflated English market. Is it because of Howe? Serious mistake to make the market by taking players the manager knows (you can see Chelsea last summer). Eh? Tonali, Isak, Botman? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jigen Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 1 minute ago, Shadow Puppets said: Eh? Tonali, Isak, Botman? Isak and Borman was last summer. A great window. Then in January, Gordon: why? And now this nonsense of sell ASM and buy Barnes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keegans Export Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Hanshithispantz said: I dunno, it seems fanciful that selling a player for £40m would allow you to go on and spend £120m? Where are our resident accountants? £120m is an exaggeration because the +£40m will only affect one FFP cycle (three years) whereas the hypothetical £120m-worth of signings will be amortised for longer than that (five years presumably). If we use Isak as an example, £65m for 5 years = £13m/year on the books, plus £5.5m/year wages = £55.5m over three years, so that +£40m sale has pretty much covered that £65m transfer during that three year cycle. If you also factor in that the sold players wage is now off the books - let's say he's on £50k/week so the £5.5m/year wages for Isak is only £2.9m/year net making the Isak deal £47.7m over the next three years. Obviously that's just a really rough outline but that's basically how selling a player for £40m can essentially pay for a signing at £60m. Edited July 19, 2023 by Keegans Export Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadow Puppets Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 (edited) 2 minutes ago, jigen said: Isak and Borman was last summer. A great window. Then in January, Gordon: why? And now this nonsense of sell ASM and buy Barnes. Gordon because he has a tonne of potential and can cover 3 positions. Barnes because Maxi contributed next to nothing in our best season for 25 years, and Barnes is a far more productive player with a better fitness record. It’s not rocket science. Edited July 19, 2023 by Shadow Puppets Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jigen Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 The only player that can replace (and improve) ASM in terms of skills, dribbling and creativity is Kvaratskhelia. Save the money and buy Kvara (non Barnes!). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skeletor Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 Just now, jigen said: The only player that can replace (and improve) ASM in terms of skills, dribbling and creativity is Kvaratskhelia. Save the money and buy Kvara (non Barnes!). Sure, why not eh? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 Great to see we're already set on who we're hounding out next. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kocunar Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 1 minute ago, jigen said: The only player that can replace (and improve) ASM in terms of skills, dribbling and creativity is Kvaratskhelia. Save the money and buy Kvara (non Barnes!). I'd donate to this charity. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDT Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 What's Yannick Bolasie up to these days? ASM - 111 apps - 12 goals & 18 assists Yannick Bolasie - 119 apps - 11 goals & 17 assists He could do some nice 'skills' as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghandis Flip-Flop Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 12 minutes ago, jigen said: I don't know why Newcastle stopped buying young talent abroad and started buying in the inflated English market. Is it because of Howe? Serious mistake to make the market by taking players the manager knows (you can see Chelsea last summer). It’s done solely to irritate you mate. As for stopping buying young talent from Europe what would you consider Tonali and Minteh to be exactly? Do you think Howe is now controlling Ashworth etc? Or do you think maybe the club are somewhat reluctantly letting go of a saleable asset, who doesn’t fully fit in with the team's current system and has had fitness issues (You'd imagine the medical team may have an idea if this is likely to be recurrent or not, I can imagine it’s not them who have him strapped up like a mummy). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LV Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 18 minutes ago, jigen said: I don't know why Newcastle stopped buying young talent abroad and started buying in the inflated English market. Is it because of Howe? Serious mistake to make the market by taking players the manager knows (you can see Chelsea last summer). Great. They’re multiplying. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadow Puppets Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 Another angle to throw in… I know for a fact (from various horses mouths) that Maxi is not a popular figure in the dressing room. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hakka Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 18 minutes ago, The Prophet said: I'm not an accountant, but as I understand it... If we get £30 million ASM, minus the value of his remaining contract, we can immediately put say £26 million on the balance sheet. If we sign a player for £40 million over five years, plus his contract value, that's circa £10 million this year's books. So in theory at least it allows you to sign two £40 million players with a good chunk towards another. So wouldn't this mean we are spending future windows money and revenue now? Surely only so many times you can do this until future revenue significantly lifts, or you make some huge player sales money. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LV Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 12 minutes ago, jigen said: The only player that can replace (and improve) ASM in terms of skills, dribbling and creativity is Kvaratskhelia. Save the money and buy Kvara (non Barnes!). The only player Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LV Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 3 minutes ago, Ghandis Flip-Flop said: It’s done solely to irritate you mate. As for stopping buying young talent from Europe what would you consider Tonali and Minteh to be exactly? Do you think Howe is now controlling Ashworth etc? Or do you think maybe the club are somewhat reluctantly letting go of a saleable asset, who doesn’t fully fit in with the team's current system and has had fitness issues (You'd imagine the medical team may have an idea if this is likely to be recurrent or not, I can imagine it’s not them who have him strapped up like a mummy). I honestly wouldn’t waste your energy mate. Some people just won’t hear it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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