James Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 As others have said it is likely that we will be downflating the media reporting of the fee as it will clearly be a controversial sale in the eyes of the rest of the league, so bare that in mind when whinging about the price. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbydazzla Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 (edited) Find it telling that Maxi’s going to Saudi at 26. If he was genuinely viewed as hot property, at his age a decent side in a decent league would have been in for him. It’s been clear he’s not part of Howe’s mid term plans so if clubs fancied him they would have acted. Especially for £30m. Edited July 19, 2023 by bobbydazzla Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
r0cafella Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 1 minute ago, bobbydazzla said: Find it telling that Maxi’s going to Saudi at 26. If he was genuinely hot property, at his age a decent side in a decent league would have been in for him. It’s been clear he’s not part of Howe’s mid term plans so if decent club fancied him they would have acted. Especially for £30m. Disagree personally, I think football has moved on in terms of a lot of clubs who can’t win are targeting younger players and looking to flip them. Also, financial other leagues can’t compete and pay the fees demanded by EPL sides. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Displayname Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 5 minutes ago, bobbydazzla said: Find it telling that Maxi’s going to Saudi at 26. If he was genuinely hot property, at his age a decent side in a decent league would have been in for him. It’s been clear he’s not part of Howe’s mid term plans so if decent club fancied him they would have acted. Especially for £30m. All depending on you believing the dodgy £30m rumours. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 This has nothing to do with FFP man, you don't sell Maxi for the same price or less than you're bringing in someone in the same position 'to improve FFP'. Again what we're telling the media just makes no sense. Maxi's always seemed dispensable to Howe, a shame as he's unplayable on his day, and great to watch, but Barnes (or whoever) will likely end up contributing a lot more. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
christ Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 Just now, Hanshithispantz said: This has nothing to do with FFP man, you don't sell Maxi for the same price or less than you're bringing in someone in the same position 'to improve FFP'. Again what we're telling the media just makes no sense. Maxi's always seemed dispensable to Howe, a shame as he's unplayable on his day, and great to watch, but Barnes (or whoever) will likely end up contributing a lot more. There are people who have explained in detail in this thread how it improves our FFP position though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimistic Nut Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 (edited) This will definitely come out as "undisclosed fee" and will be owt between £30-50m. If it's one in, one out (Barnes), meh. I think he will improve us but not massively. If it means we get another one or two in on top then it's worth it. Edited July 19, 2023 by Optimistic Nut Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NE27 Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 1 minute ago, Hanshithispantz said: This has nothing to do with FFP man, you don't sell Maxi for the same price or less than you're bringing in someone in the same position 'to improve FFP Thought the thinking was you don't then dump the 30m entirely upfront at Barnes door? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nufcnick Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 1 minute ago, Hanshithispantz said: but Barnes (or whoever) will likely end up contributing a lot more. This is the reason right there, Maxi contributes very little to the team in 8 out of 10 games, don’t get me wrong he can be unplayable in those 2 games out of 10, but for where we want to be we can’t carry a player for 3/4 of a season Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nufcnick Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 (edited) 2 minutes ago, NE27 said: Thought the thinking was you don't then dump the 30m entirely upfront at Barnes door? That’s not how it works with FFP, you can pay the whole fee upfront but the fee is still amortised over 5 years for FFP purposes Edited July 19, 2023 by nufcnick Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbydazzla Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 (edited) 18 minutes ago, r0cafella said: Disagree personally, I think football has moved on in terms of a lot of clubs who can’t win are targeting younger players and looking to flip them. Also, financial other leagues can’t compete and pay the fees demanded by EPL sides. 26 is still young and if he’s on £40k a week that makes him very affordable A club can’t flip him at his age, but he’s a relatively cheap option given how much people rave about him Going to Saudi suggests he isn’t generating genuine interest from established leagues Unless he prefers Saudi because of big wages, rather than playing in a decent league for less money Edited July 19, 2023 by bobbydazzla Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Displayname Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 1 minute ago, bobbydazzla said: 26 is still young and if he’s on £40k a week that makes him very affordable A club can’t flip him at his age, but he’s a relatively cheap option given how much people rave about him But you’d have to assume he isn’t generating genuine interest from established leagues, otherwise he wouldn’t be off to Saudi at his age. Unless he prefers to go there because of the big wages, rather than playing in a decent league for less money Dont underestimate the power of money, especially over those already bitten by the disease. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbydazzla Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Displayname said: Dont underestimate the power of money, especially over those already bitten by the disease. Maxi also appears to be very flash Got the Lambo and also a Bentley etc Not criticism of a wealthy bloke having expensive things, but he seems to embrace the millionaire footballer lifestyle Edited July 19, 2023 by bobbydazzla Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
r0cafella Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 Just now, bobbydazzla said: Maxi also appears to be very flash Got the Lambo and also a Bentley etc Not criticism of a wealthy bloke having expensive things, but he seems to embrace the millionaire lifestyle Which footballers don’t ffs Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteV Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 (edited) When he signed his new contract in 2020, the reports from then suggest he was then on closer to 70k p/w which seems more realistic given at the time he was basically our best player. Edited July 19, 2023 by SteV Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucasol Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 I think at £30-£40m a PL club might make a late move for him. That’ll test whether the wages are a more important factor than playing in a European major league. Everton or Palace would have been natural homes for him but the former are skint and Zaha looks to be resigning for the latter. Villa want Diaby and are relatively stocked there. West Ham have the cash but Moyes is probably too pragmatic to have him in his system. Brentford and Brighton prefer money ball bargains. Fulham, Forest, Bournemouth, Luton, Sheffield United? Nah. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimistic Nut Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 I know he's rich but I don't begrudge anyone become richer. This is setting up his daughter's and then their families as well when they're old enough for a few generations. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KetsbaiaIsBald Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 FFP is 100% bullshit but we don’t appear to be maxing out our commercial revenue. We could have a training kit sponsor, training ground sponsor, ground sponsor etc. I was hoping this summer the far more commercial deals would have been announced. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomson Mouse Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 3 minutes ago, r0cafella said: Which footballers don’t ffs Dan Burn's car says hello Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimistic Nut Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 Just now, KetsbaiaIsBald said: FFP is 100% bullshit but we don’t appear to be maxing out our commercial revenue. We could have a training kit sponsor, training ground sponsor, ground sponsor etc. I was hoping this summer the far more commercial deals would have been announced. I'm thinking we're waiting until we've consolidated at least being a top 6/7 club for a year or two more then we can justify higher deals easier. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbydazzla Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 (edited) 6 minutes ago, r0cafella said: Which footballers don’t ffs Dan Burn drives a Smart car But seriously, some footballers aren’t overly flash. Maxi seems to love the trappings of wealth, which is fair enough. I’m not criticising him for that. Edited July 19, 2023 by bobbydazzla Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimistic Nut Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 Just now, Thomson Mouse said: Dan Burn's car says hello I'm sure Bellamy used to say Andy O'Brien was the poorest rich man he'd seen or something. Apparently used to live with his parents in Harrogate driving around in a used car while he played for us. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geogaddi Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 Barnes isn’t even his replacement either , he’s basically being sold so we can sign another 3/4 players to improve our squad which due to ffp is the only way we can do it . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KetsbaiaIsBald Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 Just now, Optimistic Nut said: I'm thinking we're waiting until we've consolidated at least being a top 6/7 club for a year or two more then we can justify higher deals easier. Could be. Although they could sign short term deals. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
r0cafella Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 Just now, bobbydazzla said: Dan Burn drives a Smart car But seriously, some footballers aren’t overly flash. Maxi seems to love the trappings of wealth, which is fair enough. Burn is the exception then, and given his career history we are the first club to actually give him a premier league salary. Most footballers at ASM age and earning power are driving fancy cars. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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