Hanshithispantz Posted July 21, 2023 Share Posted July 21, 2023 Barnes is never going to have a game like Maxi against Walker, or like when he single handedly ran the entire Everton team ragged, but you would imagine our chance creation as a group will improve when Howe has players better suited to what we're trying to do. Tonali helps that massively as well, as will Gordon. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobS Posted July 21, 2023 Share Posted July 21, 2023 19 minutes ago, The College Dropout said: You have to watch football with your eyes and use stats in context. ASM progressive passes, expected assists, shot creating actions, passes into the penalty area, key passes per 90 mins are as good as you’re going to find. ASM is a dream for people attacking the box, he’s a chance creating force. The tweet is last journalism based on stereotypes. Barnes is damn near an elite finisher and gets to his spots. Far more end product in terms of goals that can’t be contested. But providing chances for team mates? That’s a weakness in his game and far inferior to ASM in that regard. You say that, and when Maxi was at his best and fit he was a joy to watch. But it lasted 4-6 weeks if you were lucky before he cba or got injured and was missing for months again. And he was also insanely frustrating, how many times did he try a trick or try and beat a man only to give the ball away, or not make the obvious pass? He’s a very gifted player, but he is flawed and that’s the reason he’s played for us for years and is now going to Saudi. Barnes is a upgrade, fitter, more reliable and will score a ton of goals and assist quite a lot, will you not cheer when he scores all the time? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted July 21, 2023 Share Posted July 21, 2023 Factually in 90 minutes of football, ASM is going to create more chances, make more progressive passes and shot creating actions than Barnes. All ‘frustrations’ aside, he’s a more creative and involved footballer. The aim is for Barnes to get to his spots and finish chances. Make great runs etc. but he’s not going to get on the ball and create. That’s not his game. He’s not cute of pass, he’s not going to beat a man, he’s not got excellent delivery. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Groundhog63 Posted July 21, 2023 Share Posted July 21, 2023 7 minutes ago, The College Dropout said: Factually in 90 minutes of football, ASM is going to create more chances, make more progressive passes and shot creating actions than Barnes. All ‘frustrations’ aside, he’s a more creative and involved footballer. The aim is for Barnes to get to his spots and finish chances. Make great runs etc. but he’s not going to get on the ball and create. That’s not his game. He’s not cute of pass, he’s not going to beat a man, he’s not got excellent delivery. "Factually" in 90 minutes Maxi spent more time on his arse than his feet. Barnes has been brought in to replicate the 1-2, pass and move of the right hand side AND score double figures. He will. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gallowgate Toon Posted July 21, 2023 Share Posted July 21, 2023 11 minutes ago, The College Dropout said: Factually in 90 minutes of football, ASM is going to create more chances, make more progressive passes and shot creating actions than Barnes. All ‘frustrations’ aside, he’s a more creative and involved footballer. The aim is for Barnes to get to his spots and finish chances. Make great runs etc. but he’s not going to get on the ball and create. That’s not his game. He’s not cute of pass, he’s not going to beat a man, he’s not got excellent delivery. Is this actually true though? Or, more specifically, he may have a very good final ball. His assist tallies have varied but overall numbers are strong across his PL career to date. Last season seems to have been an outlier in the assist stakes after a career high 21/22 (I don't believe he was on set pieces but may be wrong). xA per 90 numbers vary for different sources but it looks like Barnes matched Maxi's 22/23 last season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Groundhog63 Posted July 21, 2023 Share Posted July 21, 2023 I know I've posted a couple of less than positive comments about Maxi but that's not to say I didn't enjoy his "flair" For me, apart from the odd goal which any wide forward should be capable of, the moment that epitomises him was v Leicester (iirc) Picked the ball up, just in their half, and drove forward. Miggy was ahead of him and went across into the same channel. Maxi passed to an empty space. Clear example of his superb progression with ball, his teammate not having a clue wtf he was going to do with it and, ultimately, fucked up end product. Oh, and straight after, tho his frustrations were understandable, he had a hissy fit as if he was surrounded by mere mortals. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pata Posted July 21, 2023 Share Posted July 21, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, Gallowgate Toon said: xA per 90 numbers vary for different sources but it looks like Barnes matched Maxi's 22/23 last season. Which source has them close to equal? Understat has ASM at 0.39 and Barnes at 0.10 xA per 90 for 22/23. Edited July 21, 2023 by Pata Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gallowgate Toon Posted July 21, 2023 Share Posted July 21, 2023 1 minute ago, Pata said: Which source has them close to equal? Understat has ASM at 0.39 and Barnes at 0.10 xA per 90. Whoops, meant Barnes' 21/22 season matched Maxi's 22/23 for it. This is another place xA gets tricky though. Understat says one thing, Footystats (who use TheSport) says another for seasonal breakdowns. SofaScore don't use xA past last season, from memory etc. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pata Posted July 21, 2023 Share Posted July 21, 2023 3 minutes ago, Gallowgate Toon said: Whoops, meant Barnes' 21/22 season matched Maxi's 22/23 for it. This is another place xA gets tricky though. Understat says one thing, Footystats (who use TheSport) says another for seasonal breakdowns. SofaScore don't use xA past last season, from memory etc. Understat has Barnes at 0.19 for 21/22, which is his highest number at Leicester. I know Understat’s xG model is nowhere near the best but it’s such a nice site with tons of data available for free. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
prefabtoon Posted July 21, 2023 Share Posted July 21, 2023 The reality is non of the top clubs in the premier league or abroad. Have shown the slightest bit of interest in bidding for max. That says it all really. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pata Posted July 21, 2023 Share Posted July 21, 2023 1 minute ago, prefabtoon said: The reality is non of the top clubs in the premier league or abroad. Have shown the slightest bit of interest in bidding for max. That says it all really. Napoli were apparently interested. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
prefabtoon Posted July 21, 2023 Share Posted July 21, 2023 6 minutes ago, Pata said: Napoli were apparently interested. Yeah about 3 year ago but so where arsenal at the time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gawalls Posted July 21, 2023 Share Posted July 21, 2023 2 hours ago, Hanshithispantz said: Barnes is never going to have a game like Maxi against Walker, or like when he single handedly ran the entire Everton team ragged, but you would imagine our chance creation as a group will improve when Howe has players better suited to what we're trying to do. Tonali helps that massively as well, as will Gordon. This is true but you'll never get stories like this from ASM - Barnes looks to continue run against villa. Each player has their own ups and downs and it's a shame we can't keep them both but it is what it is. As i've said loads of times in last few days, this is the first time we've had to make a 'sacrifice' under new owners has so far it's been taking new players and it was always gonna happen one day. To Quote George Michael "You've showed me you can take you've got some giving to do" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
patrone Posted July 21, 2023 Share Posted July 21, 2023 1 hour ago, The College Dropout said: Factually in 90 minutes of football, ASM is going to create more chances, make more progressive passes and shot creating actions than Barnes. All ‘frustrations’ aside, he’s a more creative and involved footballer. The aim is for Barnes to get to his spots and finish chances. Make great runs etc. but he’s not going to get on the ball and create. That’s not his game. He’s not cute of pass, he’s not going to beat a man, he’s not got excellent delivery. And what use is that if he can only produce this magical 90 minutes two or three times a season due to fitness levels? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pata Posted July 21, 2023 Share Posted July 21, 2023 24 minutes ago, prefabtoon said: Yeah about 3 year ago but so where arsenal at the time. Nah, it was this summer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weezertron Posted July 21, 2023 Share Posted July 21, 2023 If this goes through, there'll be times next season where we'll wish we had Maxi on the bench late on against teams we can't break down. It'll be shit. Hopefully those moments will become less and less though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lush Vlad Posted July 21, 2023 Share Posted July 21, 2023 2 hours ago, PauloGeordio said: Looks like he's dead and it's one of those legends up in heaven looking down "You'll do for me" memes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack27 Posted July 21, 2023 Share Posted July 21, 2023 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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TBG Posted July 21, 2023 Share Posted July 21, 2023 4 minutes ago, Weezertron said: If this goes through, there'll be times next season where we'll wish we had Maxi on the bench late on against teams we can't break down. It'll be shit. Hopefully those moments will become less and less though. Has this ever actually worked? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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toon25 Posted July 21, 2023 Share Posted July 21, 2023 Will miss Maxi. One of a very very small number of things that kept me going as a supporter pre-takeover. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weezertron Posted July 21, 2023 Share Posted July 21, 2023 49 minutes ago, TBG said: Has this ever actually worked? Not really, but it's seems to be our go-to tactic in those situations. Sure beats bringing on Ritchie and the like. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pedro111 Posted July 21, 2023 Share Posted July 21, 2023 How good is the Saudi league going to get like? Must be hard to admit that your careers basically over before you've done anything really. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deuce Posted July 21, 2023 Share Posted July 21, 2023 1 minute ago, pedro111 said: How good is the Saudi league going to get like? Must be hard to admit that your careers basically over before you've done anything really. Half these guys will play a year or two down there, realize life is better in Europe, and transfer back. But they’ll have made a nice wedge in the meantime. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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