The College Dropout Posted May 23, 2023 Share Posted May 23, 2023 Just now, Conjo said: Good luck finding a better back-up keeper than Dubs. Agree we need to sell one to get one in on the winger situation. People still over-rating Dubs I see. We need a backup GK that has a similarish profile to Pope. At least one that steps off his line. That changes so much about our game And I expect Dubs to go in search of first-team football. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LFEE Posted May 23, 2023 Share Posted May 23, 2023 14 minutes ago, The College Dropout said: Thought we looked better with him on. Was a timely reminder to those constantly wanting to sell him that he offers something none of the others in the squad do. The ability to beat your man will always be priceless. Especially against a 10 man defence. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mighty__mag Posted May 23, 2023 Share Posted May 23, 2023 He's the one player that has regressed under Howes management, not saying in anyway its a reflection on either of them, but he's probably that one player you leave alone, not to every managers taste, because its out of your control a bit if he's provided the freedom to just do his thing, but I think where Howe likes players energy levels high for 90, Saint-Maximin just doesn't possess the work rate to do it all, he likes to choose when he uses his stamina and its in moments of magic, a true entrrtainer, right now he looks like he's trying to fit in, and it's taking away those maverick qualities. Isak doesn't look out of place there, in fact, he looked better there last night on the left, than when he returned to striker later on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lotus Posted May 23, 2023 Share Posted May 23, 2023 1 minute ago, LFEE said: Was a timely reminder to those constantly wanting to sell him that he offers something none of the others in the squad do. The ability to beat your man will always be priceless. Especially against a 10 man defence. Odd thing to say after last night though. He mostly cut inside where it was most congested and then layed off a simple ball. In fact, Isak went down the line more than ASM. I’d love for him to learn to receive the ball in dangerous positions. Don’t think he reads the game like that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big River Posted May 23, 2023 Share Posted May 23, 2023 decent cameo, but can’t shake the feeling that’s the last we see of him at SJP. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack j Posted May 23, 2023 Share Posted May 23, 2023 Just now, Big River said: decent cameo, but can’t shake the feeling that’s the last we see of him at SJP. Waving to the corner last night Same as Miggy last season after Arsenal. So expect ASM to have a stormer next season Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LFEE Posted May 23, 2023 Share Posted May 23, 2023 Just now, Lotus said: Odd thing to say after last night though. He mostly cut inside where it was most congested and then layed off a simple ball. In fact, Isak went down the line more than ASM. I’d love for him to learn to receive the ball in dangerous positions. Don’t think he reads the game like that. Not odd at all. He went both ways. Unpredictable. Hoping there’s a MK3 where the balance of unpredictability returns as I feel MK2 he’s trying too hard perhaps of fitting into team patterns. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt1892 Posted May 23, 2023 Share Posted May 23, 2023 He plays as a wide attacking forward in a team that has qualified for the Champions League yet has only managed one goal all season. We need better if we want to push on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted May 23, 2023 Share Posted May 23, 2023 Didn’t score or assist so sadly he’s cost us the game last night. Some of what he did was up there with Savile and Epstein, truly unforgivable. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ikon Posted May 23, 2023 Share Posted May 23, 2023 (edited) 31 minutes ago, Conjo said: Getting in two wingers when we've recently spent 40m on one and have 4 first team wingers competing for 2 spots (and now also competing against Isak it seems) is crazy Besides keeper it's the last position we need to strengthen imo. Im not counting Isak as a wide player at all even if he can play there. He should be central. Also if Wilson is injured we cannot even consider him out wide at this moment. ASM isn’t reliable fitness wise either. I would go for someone top class and for example Arda Guler. Then get rid of what needs to be done. Could even allow him to stay on loan at FB for a season. AG can play centrally too. If there is a chance to snap him up for a decent fee then it MUST be done, or at least do all we can to get him in. I just don’t see how someone like AG wouldn’t have a role to play. Edited May 23, 2023 by Ikon Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smal Posted May 23, 2023 Share Posted May 23, 2023 37 minutes ago, mighty__mag said: He's the one player that has regressed under Howes management this isn't true at all btw. He's better in pretty much every measurable metric this season. Just hasn't been fit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonny1403 Posted May 23, 2023 Share Posted May 23, 2023 43 minutes ago, The College Dropout said: People still over-rating Dubs I see. We need a backup GK that has a similarish profile to Pope. At least one that steps off his line. That changes so much about our game And I expect Dubs to go in search of first-team football. Dubs is one of, if not the, best back up keeper in the league ffs Have you actualy seen who the other top 6 have on their bench? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted May 23, 2023 Share Posted May 23, 2023 57 minutes ago, The College Dropout said: Thought we looked better with him on. I don't always agree with you on this, but he looked class for the period of time he was out there. His decision making was really responsible, if anything maybe too responsible. On nights like this he really does look a top player. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted May 23, 2023 Share Posted May 23, 2023 4 minutes ago, jonny1403 said: Dubs is one of, if not the, best back up keeper in the league ffs Have you actualy seen who the other top 6 have on their bench? I don't rate Dubs like that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colos Short and Curlies Posted May 23, 2023 Share Posted May 23, 2023 He's going to be a great wildcard in the Champions League next year Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klaus Posted May 23, 2023 Share Posted May 23, 2023 Just now, Colos Short and Curlies said: He's going to be a great wildcard in the Champions League next year My thoughts similar. In Europe he will have more time and space to do his thing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tgarve Posted May 23, 2023 Share Posted May 23, 2023 9 minutes ago, jonny1403 said: Dubs is one of, if not the, best back up keeper in the league ffs Have you actualy seen who the other top 6 have on their bench? He’s not Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonny1403 Posted May 23, 2023 Share Posted May 23, 2023 2 minutes ago, The College Dropout said: I don't rate Dubs like that. He is quite obviously a better keeper than Tom Heaton/Jack Butland, Matt Turner and Fraser Forster. It’s not even up for debate tbh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted May 23, 2023 Share Posted May 23, 2023 He was 3rd choice at Man U. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mighty__mag Posted May 23, 2023 Share Posted May 23, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, Smal said: this isn't true at all btw. He's better in pretty much every measurable metric this season. Just hasn't been fit. This season, and what other are you comparing the measurable metric? I'm his biggest fan, but I see improvements in players everywhere, my post wasn't aimed at his stats, but more about his individual style, visually he hasn't looked like the flamboyant Saint-Maximin, more like a guy under some pressure to fit into a system he perhaps isn't designed to fit in. It's how it appears, but injuries are definitely playing a part, and obviously he's now not guaranteed a regular starters spot like he was under Bruce, must be difficult for a player with his immense technical ability to only make sub appearances now. Edited May 23, 2023 by mighty__mag Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Displayname Posted May 23, 2023 Share Posted May 23, 2023 2 hours ago, Matt1892 said: He plays as a wide attacking forward in a team that has qualified for the Champions League yet has only managed one goal all season. We need better if we want to push on. 6 goals+assist isnt that bad in a little over a 1000 minutes played. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pata Posted May 23, 2023 Share Posted May 23, 2023 7 hours ago, mighty__mag said: This season, and what other are you comparing the measurable metric? I'm his biggest fan, but I see improvements in players everywhere, my post wasn't aimed at his stats, but more about his individual style, visually he hasn't looked like the flamboyant Saint-Maximin, more like a guy under some pressure to fit into a system he perhaps isn't designed to fit in. It's how it appears, but injuries are definitely playing a part, and obviously he's now not guaranteed a regular starters spot like he was under Bruce, must be difficult for a player with his immense technical ability to only make sub appearances now. His non penalty xG+xA per 90 is 0.50 this season, was between 0.35 and 0.39 in his previous seasons for us. You can see a significant rise in his expected assists, from 0.17-0.23 to 0.36. He's top of the league in Markstats fields gained by carry per 90 minutes and third in carries to penalty box per 90 behind Mitoma and Grealish. I honestly think upgrading him wouldn't be easy or cheap, just need to figure out how to keep him fit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
greydos Posted May 23, 2023 Share Posted May 23, 2023 It’s clear as day that Maxi has Isak’s respect for his skills. That’s commendation enough for me. Maxi stays Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mighty__mag Posted May 23, 2023 Share Posted May 23, 2023 58 minutes ago, Pata said: His non penalty xG+xA per 90 is 0.50 this season, was between 0.35 and 0.39 in his previous seasons for us. You can see a significant rise in his expected assists, from 0.17-0.23 to 0.36. He's top of the league in Markstats fields gained by carry per 90 minutes and third in carries to penalty box per 90 behind Mitoma and Grealish. I honestly think upgrading him wouldn't be easy or cheap, just need to figure out how to keep him fit. I'm not a technical geek, but I appreciate that some people are and love data, for me I've always been obsessed with Saint-Maximin and all wingers like him who excite the crowds (Ginola et al) The game earlier in the season vs Man City, and previous seasons under Bruce, ( fair to say ASM was probably managing himself ) he just looked electric, he's the one player any other friends who support other teams rave on about, or at work I always get "that saint-maximin is some player" But of late or after his last screamer vs Wolves, he's just never returned to those levels, statistically you can dig and dig, but visually I'm not seeing the same flamboyance as I put in the last post. The only thing I can put it down to is he looks like he's afraid to run with that freedom like he used to. Hope to see him injury free and back to his best next season. He's 100% got a role to play with us next season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanj Posted May 23, 2023 Share Posted May 23, 2023 We've got 4 fronts to play on next season; I'm more than happy for him to compete for the LW -- he offers us something far different. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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