Allan Saint-Maximin (now playing for Fenerbahce, on loan from Al-Ahli)

[spudwiser]

3 hours ago, Dr Jinx said:

He was unplayable in some games. Very few players in world football have that in their locker.

 

He’s underachieved throughout his career though.. and include coming here to Mike Ashley’s NUFC w/ Steve Bruce at the helm.

 

There’s a reason why the big clubs never wanted to sign him which is same reason why we upgraded that position first chance we got. It’s more down to consistency than work ethic or “being a team player”.

Sorry, I mean was he any use last night!

[80]

In fairness to Maxi I think he was getting there under Howe. But I don't think his body could physically stand up to what was being asked of him.

[mighty__mag]

5 hours ago, JonBez comesock said:

He will fall out with Jose before Christmas 

 

Drop to the bench / bit part player 

 

inevitable!!

 

I don't think it's always the player, Jose simply frustrates players, he's had a habit at many clubs.

[Pata]

5 hours ago, HawK said:

he got so much more of the ball due to the lack of quality around him whereas the other players in this list had less share of the ball. Any of the other players in this list above would have probably scored many more goals if they were the only threat or ball carrier in their team

Also works the other way. If he’s the only threat it’s easy to commit defenders to him. ASM was so often doubled or tripled when he had the ball, I really don’t see it as an advantage.

[HawK]

42 minutes ago, Pata said:

Also works the other way. If he’s the only threat it’s easy to commit defenders to him. ASM was so often doubled or tripled when he had the ball, I really don’t see it as an advantage.

 

Yep you're right. But my memory of ASM is a head-down player who often chose to run into those blind alleys rather than have a bit of nous and lay it off for a one two to exploit the space from the double-up

[Mahoneys Tache]

6 hours ago, HawK said:

 

Yep you're right. But my memory of ASM is a head-down player who often chose to run into those blind alleys rather than have a bit of nous and lay it off for a one two to exploit the space from the double-up

Ketsbaia with panache. 

[GeordieDazzler]

Seems like an appropriate thread for this

 

This is NOT ending well.

[WilliamPS]

13 hours ago, HawK said:

 

I was surprised to see Maxi's goals per game isn't that far off some of our other notable French wingers/attackers :

Hatem : 72 apps 12 goals

Ginola : 58 apps 6 goals

Robert : 129 apps 22 goals

Maxi : 111 apps 12 goals

 

Can't see the assists though. Statistics need context, and the context here is that often Maxi was the sole ball carrier and goal threat at times, he got so much more of the ball due to the lack of quality around him whereas the other players in this list had less share of the ball. Any of the other players in this list above would have probably scored many more goals if they were the only threat or ball carrier in their team - Hatem/Ba/Cisse, Ginola/Beardsley/Ferdinand/Lee, Robert/Shearer/Solano/Lee, Maxi/Perez/Rondon/Wilson

 

Puts Gordon in a good light :

 

Gordon : 51 apps 12 goals in a team with Bruno/Isak/Trippier as the main ball carriers/threats.

 

I hadn't realised how prolific Gordon was when compared to Hatem and Robert. He's actually beating Robert for goals per game, and has fantastic work-rate off the ball.

 

Maxi has good qualities but just isn't an elite player, and as you say @Dr Jinx, if he was he wouldn't be playing for Fenerbache. 

Robert and Ginolas jobs were to stick crosses on the heads of strikers in a 442 era so can’t be judged without looking at assists.

 

I don’t know the stats so maybe I’m wrong but my guess is ASMs assists are pretty poor in comparison.

[Conjo]

15 minutes ago, WilliamPS said:

Robert and Ginolas jobs were to stick crosses on the heads of strikers in a 442 era so can’t be judged without looking at assists.

 

I don’t know the stats so maybe I’m wrong but my guess is ASMs assists are pretty poor in comparison.

 

Ginola had 16 in 76 appearances and ASM 21 in 124 appearances so not a massive difference. 

 

13 hours ago, HawK said:

Can't see the assists though. Statistics need context, and the context here is that often Maxi was the sole ball carrier and goal threat at times, he got so much more of the ball due to the lack of quality around him whereas the other players in this list had less share of the ball. Any of the other players in this list above would have probably scored many more goals if they were the only threat or ball carrier in their team - Hatem/Ba/Cisse, Ginola/Beardsley/Ferdinand/Lee, Robert/Shearer/Solano/Lee, Maxi/Perez/Rondon/Wilson

 

 

Playing a bit of devils advocate here, but couldn't you also say that it should be easier to do well in a better team?

[HawK]

I think it depends on the position, I've certainly seen players dominate and shine out in teams when their ability is obviously a level above those around them, like Le Tissier, Kinkladze, Mahrez etc. 

 

But yeah it can definitely be seen in two ways. 

 

I still think it's amazing how well Gordon is doing in terms of end-product compared with our legendary PL wingers of yesteryear though, and his output (putting natural development aside), has no doubt been elevated by joining a stronger team with a better coach.

[Nucasol]

Big Lawrence Berb was the best.

 

Robert ended up with 32 goals and 55 assists for us.

 

 

Daveed:

 

Hatem:

 

Maxi:

 

[Guest]

Ben Arfa was kinda amazing for us, considering he didn't play much, was injured, and hauled off. Is that really 14 goals and 15 assists?

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited August 8, 2024 by OCK

[kingxlnc]

Ben Arfa's Nice numbers were ELITE
Never should have gone to PSG

[PauloGeordio]

 

[Donut]

https://streamin.me/v/17006d89

 

 

Scored against Kasimspor in a 2-0 away win.

[doublecrown]

Had a great cross for an assist against Man U in the Champion's League - definitely brought a smile to my face!

 

 

Edited October 25, 2024 by doublecrown

[Tonalis Bookie]

1 hour ago, doublecrown said:

Had a great cross for an assist against Man U in the Champion's League - definitely brought a smile to my face!

 

 

 

 

The best ability a player can have is availability. But my god when this guy was fit.

 

I said it a bit of a joke last night, but I would still have him back and I'd have him with Jose alongside him if we do ever move on

[Fak]

Don’t think he’s a Conte player mind but we’re all hoping Napoli win the league now aye?

 

 

[nemtizz]

Maxi in Serie A? Oh lord.

[KaKa]

8 minutes ago, Fak said:

Don’t think he’s a Conte player mind but we’re all hoping Napoli win the league now aye?

 

 

 

Conte likes a low block and counter.

 

That's right up Maxi's street.

 

It's the pressing he can't handle.

[Fak]

2 minutes ago, KaKa said:

 

Conte likes a low block and counter.

 

That's right up Maxi's street.

 

It's the pressing he can't handle.

Was thinking more of the fact I can’t think of any mavericks Conte has signed given he really prioritises work rate. 

[wormy]

 Al Ahli will have gotten more in loan fees than they paid us by the time he leaves them for good. Such a crock of shit. 

[KaKa]

5 minutes ago, Fak said:

Was thinking more of the fact I can’t think of any mavericks Conte has signed given he really prioritises work rate. 

 

Oh, okay. I see.

 

Will probably accommodate him tactically somehow, and let him stay higher up the pitch to break with the ball in transition.

 

Will be interesting to see how it pans out.

 

Happy for him though. Chance to win the league, in a really good team.