Various: N-O has lost the plot over potential end of Mike Ashley's tenure

[Dokko]

Piracy exists when someone or something is taking the piss with pricing. Soon as it becomes affordable the issue goes away.

 

I had hooky music, movies, software and o/s, everything is legit these days via streaming services. Sports excluded as the sub pricing for a fraction of coverage is a disgrace. Lower prices and piracy fades, but they won’t as what they miss out on due to piracy is fuck all and dropping a few quid off a bill would cost a whole lot more.

[J7]

8-10 years ago you could watch PL games in nearly every pub illegally. I'm not sure its got any worse.

[loki679]

Piracy won't destroy the game but it's a big issue in the sports broadcasting marketspace.

 

Yes.  We should start a gofundme for those poor, deprived broadcasting companies.

[mouldy_uk]

Piracy exists when someone or something is taking the piss with pricing. Soon as it becomes affordable the issue goes away.

 

I had hooky music, movies, software and o/s, everything is legit these days via streaming services. Sports excluded as the sub pricing for a fraction of coverage is a disgrace. Lower prices and piracy fades, but they won’t as what they miss out on due to piracy is fuck all and dropping a few quid off a bill would cost a whole lot more.

 

This - I used to have loads of pirated music but haven’t downloaded anything dodgy in years as Spotify feels like good value and covers pretty much everything I listen to. Football costs a fortune and being split across a number of providers inevitably means there are plenty of games I don’t have a access to (even after paying all that money).

[Guest The Little Waster]

Piracy exists when someone or something is taking the piss with pricing. Soon as it becomes affordable the issue goes away.

 

I had hooky music, movies, software and o/s, everything is legit these days via streaming services. Sports excluded as the sub pricing for a fraction of coverage is a disgrace. Lower prices and piracy fades, but they won’t as what they miss out on due to piracy is fuck all and dropping a few quid off a bill would cost a whole lot more.

 

This - I used to have loads of pirated music but haven’t downloaded anything dodgy in years as Spotify feels like good value and covers pretty much everything I listen to. Football costs a fortune and being split across a number of providers inevitably means there are plenty of games I don’t have a access to (even after paying all that money).

 

Spotify gives the square root of fuck all to the artists

[NE27]

I think I'd watch legitimately if it was on a pay per view basis, which I'm sure it used to be on sky yonks ago?

 

Don't know the problems associated with that method, just that I'd be more inclined to pay one offs even if my overall cost in the end was fairly close to a normal subscription.

 

As it is, I am not paying best part of £100pm for what would really only be for football. And I definitely can live without watching villa Vs sheff etc.

 

 

[Unbelievable]

Piracy won't destroy the game but it's a big issue in the sports broadcasting marketspace.

 

Sure, but "piracy will kill the game" is a self serving capitalist argument. The game was around long before broadcasting of it started and it can be argued that the commercialisation of broadcasting has had and is having an adverse effect on the healthiness of the game. Sky, BEIN and all the others will destroy the game long before piracy does.

[Guest neesy111]

I think I'd watch legitimately if it was on a pay per view basis, which I'm sure it used to be on sky yonks ago?

 

Don't know the problems associated with that method, just that I'd be more inclined to pay one offs even if my overall cost in the end was fairly close to a normal subscription.

 

As it is, I am not paying best part of £100pm for what would really only be for football. And I definitely can live without watching villa Vs sheff etc.

 

 

 

It already exists via NowTV.

[Unbelievable]

Piracy exists when someone or something is taking the piss with pricing. Soon as it becomes affordable the issue goes away.

 

I had hooky music, movies, software and o/s, everything is legit these days via streaming services. Sports excluded as the sub pricing for a fraction of coverage is a disgrace. Lower prices and piracy fades, but they won’t as what they miss out on due to piracy is fuck all and dropping a few quid off a bill would cost a whole lot more.

 

This - I used to have loads of pirated music but haven’t downloaded anything dodgy in years as Spotify feels like good value and covers pretty much everything I listen to. Football costs a fortune and being split across a number of providers inevitably means there are plenty of games I don’t have a access to (even after paying all that money).

 

Spotify gives the square root of fuck all to the artists

 

Perhaps it means the most popular artists earn less. At the same time it allows for much lower barriers of entry for starting bands and artists, less reliance on agents (record companies) and arguably a healthier marketplace for music. The analogy works quite well with football come to think of it.

[AyeDubbleYoo]

I think I'd watch legitimately if it was on a pay per view basis, which I'm sure it used to be on sky yonks ago?

 

Don't know the problems associated with that method, just that I'd be more inclined to pay one offs even if my overall cost in the end was fairly close to a normal subscription.

 

As it is, I am not paying best part of £100pm for what would really only be for football. And I definitely can live without watching villa Vs sheff etc.

 

 

 

It already exists via NowTV.

 

Only for Sky games, and not for 3pm.

[FloydianMag]

https://twitter.com/MoneyMikeAshley/status/1275077988439126024

 

:lol:

[Stifler]

Piracy exists when someone or something is taking the piss with pricing. Soon as it becomes affordable the issue goes away.

 

I had hooky music, movies, software and o/s, everything is legit these days via streaming services. Sports excluded as the sub pricing for a fraction of coverage is a disgrace. Lower prices and piracy fades, but they won’t as what they miss out on due to piracy is fuck all and dropping a few quid off a bill would cost a whole lot more.

 

This - I used to have loads of pirated music but haven’t downloaded anything dodgy in years as Spotify feels like good value and covers pretty much everything I listen to. Football costs a fortune and being split across a number of providers inevitably means there are plenty of games I don’t have a access to (even after paying all that money).

 

Spotify gives the square root of fuck all to the artists

Aye. Apple Music gives more to artists than Spotify, nearly double I believe. In fact they are one of the best out of the streaming providers in giving to artists.

 

Google are currently in the process of shutting down their Google music service and putting their users on YouTube music instead, the reason they are doing it that way instead of shutting down YouTube music, is because YouTube music pays 10% of what Google music does.

 

https://www.digitalmusicnews.com/2018/12/25/streaming-music-services-pay-2019/

 

[number9shirt]

It feels like every journo under the sun is suddenly tweeting positive things based purely on the piracy stuff that came out yesterday. I'm not convinced, still, that any of them have any information.

 

Yeah I'm sort of leaning that way a bit.

 

Feels like they've made the same connection fans have to the piracy news, not necessarily heard anything.

 

But I'd love to be wrong

 

What other connection could there be though?

 

This may be quite negative, but what if they have intially failed the tests?

 

And this tougher stance on piracy and buying up shares in BT etc. Is a sort of look at us cleaning up our act.

 

Prem looks better for denying it in light of quite obvious issues, Saudi go away and do all the necessary changes for a smoother process for prem etc.

 

Like I say, pretty wild and negative outlook but too many times have we seen every reporter jump on any any bit of news and the deal was as good as signed months ago.

 

 

Edit: the above post maybe changes things slightly sorry. Didn't realise some journalists had came out with it first.

 

Ok I'm all in 

That's what I think happened PIF either failed the test or were told to go away & fix the piracy issues. The Premier League also had to wait for the WTO report after Qatar sent them a "sexed up" version.

[duo]

This week, this week, this week.......then Thursday - Next week. Rinse and repeat.  Always so close.

 

Ha 

[gjohnson]

Piracy exists when someone or something is taking the piss with pricing. Soon as it becomes affordable the issue goes away.

 

I had hooky music, movies, software and o/s, everything is legit these days via streaming services. Sports excluded as the sub pricing for a fraction of coverage is a disgrace. Lower prices and piracy fades, but they won’t as what they miss out on due to piracy is fuck all and dropping a few quid off a bill would cost a whole lot more.

 

This - I used to have loads of pirated music but haven’t downloaded anything dodgy in years as Spotify feels like good value and covers pretty much everything I listen to. Football costs a fortune and being split across a number of providers inevitably means there are plenty of games I don’t have a access to (even after paying all that money).

 

Spotify gives the square root of fuck all to the artists

 

Perhaps it means the most popular artists earn less. At the same time it allows for much lower barriers of entry for starting bands and artists, less reliance on agents (record companies) and arguably a healthier marketplace for music. The analogy works quite well with football come to think of it.

 

Don't agree with this....the best will always earn millions one way or another. I personally think Ed Sheeran is garbage, and Adele couldn't sing her way past the first round of x-factor, but enough people disagree with that opinion that they are sitting in houses worth millions, and I'm almost certain they sit and dry their tears over my opinion with £50notes every night

[Andy]

The only way to eliminate piracy is to massively increase the value of the subscription. COVID-19 is the perfect excuse to get away from 3pm kick offs and look to broadcast every match on a permanent basis, if I could watch every match over the course of a season, I'd be willing to pay good money for it. Hand-picking games, however, devalues it for me since at least half of the choices are games I couldn't give a toss about.

[wormy]

https://twitter.com/MoneyMikeAshley/status/1275077988439126024

 

:lol:

 

Weren't people laughing at the whole 'imminent' thing on here not long ago?

 

I really hope it's someone on here behind that Twitter.

[SUPERTOON]

Still nothing concrete to come out to suggest this is the week or that’s it’s close to a decision.

[Unbelievable]

Piracy exists when someone or something is taking the piss with pricing. Soon as it becomes affordable the issue goes away.

 

I had hooky music, movies, software and o/s, everything is legit these days via streaming services. Sports excluded as the sub pricing for a fraction of coverage is a disgrace. Lower prices and piracy fades, but they won’t as what they miss out on due to piracy is fuck all and dropping a few quid off a bill would cost a whole lot more.

 

This - I used to have loads of pirated music but haven’t downloaded anything dodgy in years as Spotify feels like good value and covers pretty much everything I listen to. Football costs a fortune and being split across a number of providers inevitably means there are plenty of games I don’t have a access to (even after paying all that money).

 

Spotify gives the square root of fuck all to the artists

 

Perhaps it means the most popular artists earn less. At the same time it allows for much lower barriers of entry for starting bands and artists, less reliance on agents (record companies) and arguably a healthier marketplace for music. The analogy works quite well with football come to think of it.

 

Don't agree with this....the best will always earn millions one way or another. I personally think Ed Sheeran is garbage, and Adele couldn't sing her way past the first round of x-factor, but enough people disagree with that opinion that they are sitting in houses worth millions, and I'm almost certain they sit and dry their tears over my opinion with £50notes every night

 

So what do you disagree with? You feel instead of earning millions through spotify they should be earning billions through CD sales why young artists play music in the street because they can’t get a record deal?

[AyeDubbleYoo]

Still nothing concrete to come out to suggest this is the week or that’s it’s close to a decision.

 

Nope.

[xLiaaamx]

I feel a letter coming... Cengiz has been very quiet lately.

[Stifler]

Piracy exists when someone or something is taking the piss with pricing. Soon as it becomes affordable the issue goes away.

 

I had hooky music, movies, software and o/s, everything is legit these days via streaming services. Sports excluded as the sub pricing for a fraction of coverage is a disgrace. Lower prices and piracy fades, but they won’t as what they miss out on due to piracy is fuck all and dropping a few quid off a bill would cost a whole lot more.

 

This - I used to have loads of pirated music but haven’t downloaded anything dodgy in years as Spotify feels like good value and covers pretty much everything I listen to. Football costs a fortune and being split across a number of providers inevitably means there are plenty of games I don’t have a access to (even after paying all that money).

 

Spotify gives the square root of fuck all to the artists

 

Perhaps it means the most popular artists earn less. At the same time it allows for much lower barriers of entry for starting bands and artists, less reliance on agents (record companies) and arguably a healthier marketplace for music. The analogy works quite well with football come to think of it.

 

Don't agree with this....the best will always earn millions one way or another. I personally think Ed Sheeran is garbage, and Adele couldn't sing her way past the first round of x-factor, but enough people disagree with that opinion that they are sitting in houses worth millions, and I'm almost certain they sit and dry their tears over my opinion with £50notes every night

Yeah.

I’m sure I’ve seen plenty of artists come out and say that singers are now required to do more tours if they wish to make money anymore. I think a lot of them have recouped revenue through the increase in popularity of vinyl, and other merchandise though. However they have said that they now have to work more for their money rather than spending a few weeks every couple of years in a recording studio.l like they used to be able to do.

[Guest godzilla]

Still nothing concrete to come out to suggest this is the week or that’s it’s close to a decision.

 

You could flip it, and say still nothing concrete to say it isn't this week or it is close 

[SUPERTOON]

Still nothing concrete to come out to suggest this is the week or that’s it’s close to a decision.

 

You could flip it, and say still nothing concrete to say it isn't this week or it is close 

 

True, however I still think if it is to happen we would get a definite leak from somewhere first.

[Dokko]

Piracy exists when someone or something is taking the piss with pricing. Soon as it becomes affordable the issue goes away.

 

I had hooky music, movies, software and o/s, everything is legit these days via streaming services. Sports excluded as the sub pricing for a fraction of coverage is a disgrace. Lower prices and piracy fades, but they won’t as what they miss out on due to piracy is fuck all and dropping a few quid off a bill would cost a whole lot more.

 

This - I used to have loads of pirated music but haven’t downloaded anything dodgy in years as Spotify feels like good value and covers pretty much everything I listen to. Football costs a fortune and being split across a number of providers inevitably means there are plenty of games I don’t have a access to (even after paying all that money).

 

Spotify gives the square root of fuck all to the artists

 

Perhaps it means the most popular artists earn less. At the same time it allows for much lower barriers of entry for starting bands and artists, less reliance on agents (record companies) and arguably a healthier marketplace for music. The analogy works quite well with football come to think of it.

 

Don't agree with this....the best will always earn millions one way or another. I personally think Ed Sheeran is garbage, and Adele couldn't sing her way past the first round of x-factor, but enough people disagree with that opinion that they are sitting in houses worth millions, and I'm almost certain they sit and dry their tears over my opinion with £50notes every night

Yeah.

I’m sure I’ve seen plenty of artists come out and say that singers are now required to do more tours if they wish to make money anymore. I think a lot of them have recouped revenue through the increase in popularity of vinyl, and other merchandise though. However they have said that they now have to work more for their money rather than spending a few weeks every couple of years in a recording studio.l like they used to be able to do.

 

Artists Always say they make no money from record sales, downloads, streaming services and touring, all this from their 3rd mansion in the hills after a long day flying on their private jet.