MrRaspberryJam Posted October 29, 2023 Share Posted October 29, 2023 Just now, Ronaldo said: Good chat. Enjoyed it. Why are you so miserable? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted October 29, 2023 Share Posted October 29, 2023 I can’t be arsed debating it. I watched Shearer for 10 years here. I think Isak will be a better footballer if he isn’t already and have a better career. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myleftboot Posted October 29, 2023 Share Posted October 29, 2023 2 completely different players. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tgarve Posted October 29, 2023 Share Posted October 29, 2023 1 hour ago, Ronaldo said: I can’t be arsed debating it. I watched Shearer for 10 years here. I think Isak will be a better footballer if he isn’t already and have a better career. Bold prediction like Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
McDog Posted October 29, 2023 Share Posted October 29, 2023 Bolder than bold. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted October 29, 2023 Share Posted October 29, 2023 What’s he averaging, a goal every game and a half by minutes played? And so much more to his game than that. Outrageous talent. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
McDog Posted October 29, 2023 Share Posted October 29, 2023 Just now, Ronaldo said: What’s he averaging, a goal every game and a half by minutes played? And so much more to his game than that. Outrageous talent. Dude can dribble and does many clever things with the ball. He also can finish so yea, he's exciting to have on the team. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted October 29, 2023 Share Posted October 29, 2023 3 hours ago, McDog said: Why is that? There has always been a top division in English football. Who cares what you call it? It’s not about what it is called tbf - it’s the chopping away of over a century of history (incl records) to make daft new ones. Shearer is the 5th highest goal scorer in top flight history - and 2nd highest post-war (and being second to Jimmy Greaves isn’t bad). Which is an incredible record. The ‘Premier League record scorer’ thing is absolutely meaningless - it’s just when a cadre of clubs broke away administratively from the rest of the league due to pure, unadulterated greed. It has no stock or value. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
McDog Posted October 29, 2023 Share Posted October 29, 2023 Just now, TheBrownBottle said: It’s not about what it is called tbf - it’s the chopping away of over a century of history (incl records) to make daft new ones. Shearer is the 5th highest goal scorer in top flight history - and 2nd highest post-war (and being second to Jimmy Greaves isn’t bad). Which is an incredible record. The ‘Premier League record scorer’ thing is absolutely meaningless - it’s just when a cadre of clubs broke away administratively from the rest of the league due to pure, unadulterated greed. It has no stock or value. Thanks, that's what it seemed like to me but figured I was missing something in history. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted October 29, 2023 Share Posted October 29, 2023 1 minute ago, McDog said: Thanks, that's what it seemed like to me but figured I was missing something in history. It’s nowt to get too wound up about, of course - but it’s such an odd thing to commemorate. Leeds’ title win in 1992 holds no less cache than Man Utd’s title win in 1993 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stottie Posted October 30, 2023 Share Posted October 30, 2023 3 hours ago, Ronaldo said: Isak is our best forward since Shearer just for his entire contribution, and to be honest he’s a slight improvement away from being better. Wilson our best goalscorer and out and out striker since Shearer. Just a silly language question, but on Wilson, what is the difference between being a "goalscorer" and an "out and out striker"? Does the latter mean putting himself in goalscoring positions, like near post runs? Or in Saturday's example, just in the right spot when their keeper dropped the ball? If so, I agree that he excels at it. I fully concur with not rating Wilson as a "forward" since he is rarely involved in build up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jinky Posted October 30, 2023 Share Posted October 30, 2023 15 hours ago, McDog said: Why is that? There has always been a top division in English football. Who cares what you call it? The record quoted uses only Premier league goals and ignores the rest of our history......including our top flight history. Meaningless really. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coffee_Johnny Posted October 30, 2023 Share Posted October 30, 2023 58 minutes ago, Jinky said: The record quoted uses only Premier league goals and ignores the rest of our history......including our top flight history. Meaningless really. Except, you could argue the ‘Premiership’ or the satellite television money attached, changed the game. In theory making it easier to markedly improve your team through the influx of foreign talent who could, in the main, earn a much better living here. So if the parameters/goal posts shift using 1992-1993 as a start for records has some validity. Plus, it is pretty much becoming synonymous for in living memory/modern times for most supporters. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jinky Posted October 30, 2023 Share Posted October 30, 2023 45 minutes ago, Coffee_Johnny said: Except, you could argue the ‘Premiership’ or the satellite television money attached, changed the game. In theory making it easier to markedly improve your team through the influx of foreign talent who could, in the main, earn a much better living here. So if the parameters/goal posts shift using 1992-1993 as a start for records has some validity. Plus, it is pretty much becoming synonymous for in living memory/modern times for most supporters. I understand the point. The same applies to 'Post War' records I suppose. Still, though it was before my time, I still think of Hughie Gallacher as our greatest ever player / goalscorer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted October 30, 2023 Share Posted October 30, 2023 1 hour ago, Coffee_Johnny said: Except, you could argue the ‘Premiership’ or the satellite television money attached, changed the game. In theory making it easier to markedly improve your team through the influx of foreign talent who could, in the main, earn a much better living here. So if the parameters/goal posts shift using 1992-1993 as a start for records has some validity. Plus, it is pretty much becoming synonymous for in living memory/modern times for most supporters. You could also argue the ending of the Maximum wage changed the game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erikse Posted October 30, 2023 Share Posted October 30, 2023 (edited) Isak has some serious individual skills, but in terms of impact there's a few players that are more important right now. Having Bruno, Botman, Gordon or Trippier (most of our offensive play goes through him) unavailable will impact us more than having to play Wilson instead of Isak in a singular game. The scary thing is that Wilson is the only striker left when Isak is out. Also I know Isak did some really insane things last season, but has he really impressed all that much this season? Not that he has been getting a lot of support in every game, but still. His goal tally is good, but I'm talking about his general game. Edited October 30, 2023 by Erikse Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mahoneys Tache Posted October 30, 2023 Share Posted October 30, 2023 12 hours ago, Stottie said: Just a silly language question, but on Wilson, what is the difference between being a "goalscorer" and an "out and out striker"? Does the latter mean putting himself in goalscoring positions, like near post runs? Or in Saturday's example, just in the right spot when their keeper dropped the ball? If so, I agree that he excels at it. I fully concur with not rating Wilson as a "forward" since he is rarely involved in build up. The difference between bergkamp and Cole to me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted October 30, 2023 Share Posted October 30, 2023 Wilson's hold-up play has been poor in recent weeks. But boy is he a fox in the box! Can't complain. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PauloGeordio Posted October 30, 2023 Share Posted October 30, 2023 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HawK Posted October 30, 2023 Share Posted October 30, 2023 I stand by my assessment of him, he's an elite-level poacher but offers little else. He works great in our team so he's definitely a round peg in a round hole. Really happy with his form, I can never complain about any other aspects of his game as long as he's knocking them in, long may it continue. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted October 30, 2023 Share Posted October 30, 2023 Yeah, I agree. You need 2 top forwards to be a top team and we have that, for different reasons. His goal record for us in the league is outstanding. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 I really do think he’ll be the hardest member of the squad to replace. A guaranteed goal scorer, who is also ‘happy’ (well, accepting of the need) to be rotated, and isn’t on insane money. Absolutely love the bloke - I’m not sure you can actually be a Geordie and not love a proper no.9. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 9 hours ago, Ronaldo said: Yeah, I agree. You need 2 top forwards to be a top team and we have that, for different reasons. His goal record for us in the league is outstanding. Isak can play in such a way that they could play together and I'd still like one on the bench so 3 for me please Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimistic Nut Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 11 minutes ago, madras said: Isak can play in such a way that they could play together and I'd still like one on the bench so 3 for me please The other position Isak 'can' play is where we also have Gordon and Barnes. A lot of investment to have both on the bench. Think the balance we have with Wilson and Isak for the number 9 position with the likes of Gordon and Joelinton able to step in is fine. Who do City have beyond Haaland and Alvarez for example other than 'false 9s' they bring in? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gawalls Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 7 hours ago, TheBrownBottle said: I really do think he’ll be the hardest member of the squad to replace. A guaranteed goal scorer, who is also ‘happy’ (well, accepting of the need) to be rotated, and isn’t on insane money. Absolutely love the bloke - I’m not sure you can actually be a Geordie and not love a proper no.9. Agreed - glad it’s not me replacing him as it’ll be a hard hard job to do. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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