NEEJ Posted April 19 Share Posted April 19 (edited) 1 hour ago, greydos said: Yeah strikers didn’t need to press as centre backs were going to hoof it. Or give a pass to the full back to play a channel ball. I still doubt the idea that football requires more now. All the off the pitch advancements have extended longevity in most other sports despite performance levels increasing there also. F1 cars have more downforce than years ago. Alonso and Hamilton are racing into their 40s. Tennis players are stronger. Federer, Djokovic, Nadal have gone on longer. More cricket is played than years ago. The England cricket team’s getting older. Anderson, Broad played late, etc. I’m just not sure I buy that because striker’s press a bit more the game’s harder overall. It just changes the balance of off ball running. If attack and wide midfielders are pressing more, defenders are in fewer battles than before and so resting more. There are definitely more sprints and high-intensity efforts involved in matches compared to those the 90s, like. Whether that's balanced out by the players being better looked after, who knows. I do think we're probably right on the limit of what can be squeezed out of top-flight footballers, and it's playing out in the kind of injuries we're seeing. Edited April 19 by NEEJ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted April 19 Share Posted April 19 (edited) 25 minutes ago, NEEJ said: There are definitely more sprints and high-intensity efforts involved in matches compared to those the 90s, like. Whether that's balanced out by the players being better looked after, who knows. I do think we're probably right on the limit of what can be squeezed out of top-flight footballers, and it's playing out in the kind of injuries we're seeing. Also I think a lot of talented footballers are getting squeezed out of the game by superior athletes. I think Ollie Watkins is a great player no doubt. And Emery has refined his game and maybe actually has him running less? But one of his competitive advantages is his supreme fitness and conditioning. The way he did ESR on the weekend, none of our strikers could do that after 85+ minutes. They don't have the physical capacity/conditioning. Some of that might be tactical (less pressing from Watkins potentially) but Watkins has played so much football this season he's definitely an uber athlete. 3,715' minutes which doesn't include added time. Isak has 2,477' and is gassed by 70 minutes each match. Edited April 19 by The College Dropout Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted April 19 Share Posted April 19 There's almost no room in the game anymore for players who are technically superb but aren't athletically optimum in one way or another (be that raw pace, height, cardio). You're now getting to the point that this selection process is happening at academy level, so you're not even seeing outliers anymore. That combined with a tactical shift towards possession based and by the numbers football means there is very little individual flair left IMO. Personally I think it has made the sport far less interesting than it was, even if the overall level is arguably as high as it ever has been. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimburst Posted April 19 Share Posted April 19 3 minutes ago, ponsaelius said: There's almost no room in the game anymore for players who are technically superb but aren't athletically optimum in one way or another (be that raw pace, height, cardio). You're now getting to the point that this selection process is happening at academy level, so you're not even seeing outliers anymore. That combined with a tactical shift towards possession based and by the numbers football means there is very little individual flair left IMO. Personally I think it has made the sport far less interesting than it was, even if the overall level is arguably as high as it ever has been. I think there's still plenty of room for Bernardo Silva's, Fodens, Brunos. Little, not particularly strong or athletic agile people. Less room for Nicky Butt/Tomm Huddlestone types, yeah. Maybe Riquelme, Pires, Robert etc (not fast, not agile, technically superior forwards) are being phased out, too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
captainhaircut Posted April 19 Share Posted April 19 We never seem to do it but wouldn’t it make sense to give Wilson a run out for the under 21s tonight? Pope too if he’s as close as rumours suggest. Maybe Howe thinks his training is more intense than that level so it’s pointless? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted April 19 Share Posted April 19 9 hours ago, Jimburst said: I think there's still plenty of room for Bernardo Silva's, Fodens, Brunos. Little, not particularly strong or athletic agile people. Less room for Nicky Butt/Tomm Huddlestone types, yeah. Maybe Riquelme, Pires, Robert etc (not fast, not agile, technically superior forwards) are being phased out, too. Bernardo Silva and Foden are great players. But Silva in particular is a cog. What makes KDB a standout player is he’s seemingly allowed to go off script and rifle one from 30 yards or just dominate a game. But he’s a super team player. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joelinton7 Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 Ready to hit the ground running. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
christ Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 3 minutes ago, Joelinton7 said: Ready to hit the ground running. https://x.com/nufc/status/1782690286629491008?s=46&t=DcLbGwd6hoDY9gGMy-ZgEw With his hamstrings that sounds like a risk. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jinky Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 On 19/04/2024 at 09:54, ponsaelius said: There's almost no room in the game anymore for players who are technically superb but aren't athletically optimum in one way or another (be that raw pace, height, cardio). You're now getting to the point that this selection process is happening at academy level, so you're not even seeing outliers anymore. That combined with a tactical shift towards possession based and by the numbers football means there is very little individual flair left IMO. Personally I think it has made the sport far less interesting than it was, even if the overall level is arguably as high as it ever has been. Yes, I think Jinky Jimmy Smith would struggle to find a place in the top flight these days....... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 Isak is still gassing not long after the hour mark. Having him play those last 20 minutes knackered increases his risk of injury. Good that we can take him off for Wilson in those last 10-15 this weekend if we can. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Bailey Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 On 19/04/2024 at 09:54, ponsaelius said: There's almost no room in the game anymore for players who are technically superb but aren't athletically optimum in one way or another (be that raw pace, height, cardio). You're now getting to the point that this selection process is happening at academy level, so you're not even seeing outliers anymore. That combined with a tactical shift towards possession based and by the numbers football means there is very little individual flair left IMO. Personally I think it has made the sport far less interesting than it was, even if the overall level is arguably as high as it ever has been. Aye Frank Worthington or Stan Bowles aren’t getting much match time in the new modern game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRC Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 Can see him having a solid end to the season, he's going to be playing with a point to prove and that's when he's at his best. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colos Short and Curlies Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 2 hours ago, The College Dropout said: Isak is still gassing not long after the hour mark. Having him play those last 20 minutes knackered increases his risk of injury. Good that we can take him off for Wilson in those last 10-15 this weekend if we can. Love this He's knackered with 30 minutes to play Its dangerous to play him for the last 20 Great we can bring someone on with 10 mins to go Lets get the board up on 89 minutes lads, Callum's coming on Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
huss9 Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 4 hours ago, Joelinton7 said: Ready to hit the ground running. great news for the run in. yeah he's injury prone, but he's class. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nufc123 Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 (edited) Any player coming back before the season is over is good news. Not sure on his level right now, but it makes us less predictable, and hes a different striker than Isak. We can also mix it up with two strikers or rest Isak in the final minutes. Edited April 23 by nufc123 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RodneyCisse Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 I hope he comes back firing, get himself up into double figures would be magic. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
54 Posted April 27 Share Posted April 27 2 more needed to become our second highest Premier League goalscorer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingxlnc Posted April 27 Share Posted April 27 I hope he does it, deserves it more than Ameobi Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted April 27 Share Posted April 27 Nice to see him crack one in. He might be important to see us over the line into Europe. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted April 27 Share Posted April 27 56 minutes ago, TRon said: Nice to see him crack one in. He might be important to see us over the line into Europe. He doesn’t get much credit for basically firing us over the line to get to the CL last season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smal Posted April 27 Share Posted April 27 he looked to have a bit of pace about him for the first time this season which was good to see. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave s Posted April 27 Share Posted April 27 such a shame we can’t get a full season out of him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nemtizz Posted April 27 Share Posted April 27 Signing a better backup striker than this man will take some doing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Posted April 27 Share Posted April 27 Just now, nemtizz said: Signing a better backup striker than this man will take some doing. he isn’t a good back up as the back up must be fit all season. we either have to replace or sign a 3rd striker Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
80 Posted April 27 Share Posted April 27 3 minutes ago, James said: he isn’t a good back up as the back up must be fit all season. we either have to replace or sign a 3rd striker That's the killer point. But it will be damned hard to get a fitter version of Wilson. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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