George Bailey Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
elbee909 Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 Football's a small world. They knows Steve has a lot of mates and PR stuff is sensitive as hell right now. Show him the door while keeping him happy. Fragile ego? Then spend time massaging it. "It's not you, it's us" and all that shit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadow Puppets Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 I still maintain that some people are throwing their toys out of the pram over nothing… a) he may still go before Sunday. b) for all we know it needs to be a board decision (with all board members) and may require signing off in Saudi. c) it may not be as simple as literally sacking Bruce…if we do that his coaches go too, and if they go do we have enough to see us through Sunday. d) maybe they don’t have faith in Jones to be caretaker / or he doesn’t want to be. e) maybe they think it’ll be better to have a clean change to new manager / coaches, rather than the interim step. f) maybe they’re interviewing people for the job as we speak. g) remember how McClaren left. They’ve only owned the club 5 days. It’s unheard of for major decisions like managerial changes to be made in that time, so if he does go before Sunday (and I think he probably still will), it’ll be pretty quick all things considered. But it’s good to see everyone’s patience is lasting ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kimbo Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 God, imagine if this fraud benefits from the players being desperate to prove themselves to the new regime. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPERTOON Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueStar Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 Right, that's it, I don't like them. Bring back Ashley. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
midds Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 No time for sentiment or kid gloves, we're 19th and every point and game counts to move forward. This arsehole has over 20 years of failure sprinkled with the odd 2 month purple patch every now and again. He's not part of the future and the sooner he's binned the better, makes no sense at all to keep him on under any circumstances, he needs to go and go asap and he should already be out of the door imo. Potentially their first (pretty big) mistake tbph, they need to be swift and ruthless with shit like this. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadow Puppets Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 Just now, midds said: No time for sentiment or kid gloves, we're 19th and every point and game counts to move forward. This arsehole has over 20 years of failure sprinkled with the odd 2 month purple patch every now and again. He's not part of the future and the sooner he's binned the better, makes no sense at all to keep him on under any circumstances, he needs to go and go asap and he should already be out of the door imo. Potentially their first (pretty big) mistake tbph, they need to be swift and ruthless with shit like this. I understand your frustration but I don’t really understand the difference in whether he goes today or goes in a week’s time if/when they have a manager lined up. Either way, he’s going. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
midds Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 Just now, Shadow Puppets said: I understand your frustration but I don’t really understand the difference in whether he goes today or goes in a week’s time if/when they have a manager lined up. Either way, he’s going. I just think it seems out the wrong message tbh. He's won 5 of his last 37 iirc? He doesn't deserve to continue full stop. I just think they need to make a bit of a statement. Keeping him on isn't the right message to send out to people inside and outside of the club. Just my opinion though mate Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadow Puppets Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 5 minutes ago, midds said: I just think it seems out the wrong message tbh. He's won 5 of his last 37 iirc? He doesn't deserve to continue full stop. I just think they need to make a bit of a statement. Keeping him on isn't the right message to send out to people inside and outside of the club. Just my opinion though mate Yeah, but they’re professional people. I personally think that they’ll want to put a full new management / coaching team in place to take over, rather than sacking someone without any plan on who replaces him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 Amongst all of the shit that will need sorting through, removing Bruce will be amongst the easiest decisions the consortium have to make. You'd hope it would be done by the weekend, to give us the best possible chance of getting three points. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RodneyCisse Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 There’s a high chance Spurs beat us Sunday if he’s there or not but for me him not being in the ground at what will be the best atmosphere since the Europa League nights is what’s important to I think everyone right now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadow Puppets Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 Just now, The Prophet said: Amongst all of the shit that will need sorting through, removing Bruce will be amongst the easiest decisions the consortium have to make. You'd hope it would be done by the weekend, to give us the best possible chance of getting three points. Genuinely not convinced removing Bruce would have any impact on Sunday’s result. Graeme Jones is running the tactics anyway. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfcastle Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, Peder75 said: First paragraph sounds like a goodbye message. Thanks for keeping us up, you know the way out. What if that was basically a 'good luck in your future endeavours' and he hasn't read between the lines? Be just like Bruce to turn up for work more after being sacked then he did before. Also he's so much ill-gotten cash he'll not know his wages haven't dropped. 1 hour ago, NE27 said: Account for the long periods Steve was eating through the meeting, and only answering when coming up for air from the trough Be like that scene on JFK where a frustrated Costner/Amanda snaps at John Candy/Bruce for stuffing his face instead of reading the tone "Stop eating that crabmeat and listen" Edited October 12, 2021 by Wolfcastle Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robbo_11 Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 No doubt he would want to stay on as he has said previously, but he won't change anything. In fact you could argue he does more damage being in the dugout on Sunday as if we concede first it causes a pile on of abuse aimed at him. Its a no win situation for him, stinking the place out to get to that 1,000th game should he remain in charge. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadow Puppets Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 Just now, RodneyCisse said: There’s a high chance Spurs beat us Sunday if he’s there or not but for me him not being in the ground at what will be the best atmosphere since the Europa League nights is what’s important to I think everyone right now. No doubt, and I’d prefer him not to be there too. But I also think it would be a risk of sorts for the new owners to remove the manager and his coaches with no official plan on who may be coming in. What if we’re left with Jones and a skeleton coaching staff for weeks? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPERTOON Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 (edited) Just now, Shadow Puppets said: No doubt, and I’d prefer him not to be there too. But I also think it would be a risk of sorts for the new owners to remove the manager and his coaches with no official plan on who may be coming in. What if we’re left with Jones and a skeleton coaching staff for weeks? Is that really any worse than what we have currently ? Bruce being there on Sunday dampens the atmosphere imo and we can’t afford to keep letting games go Edited October 12, 2021 by SUPERTOON Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
midds Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 1 minute ago, Shadow Puppets said: Yeah, but they’re professional people. I personally think that they’ll want to put a full new management / coaching team in place to take over, rather than sacking someone without any plan on who replaces him. If they're professional they'll identify the barriers to progress and remove them immediately. Bruce is the ultimate barrier, makes no sense to me to allow him to continue another day as he's performing disgracefully and has been for some time. I get the fact they are still sounding people out about taking over but that dusky mean the bloke failing miserably should be allowed to continue until they find a more permanent solution. He can't buy a win. He needs to be sacked as a priority. Like, fucking now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadow Puppets Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 Just now, SUPERTOON said: Is that really any worse than what we have currently ? Who knows? Purely playing devils advocate, I can’t imagine it being a good idea to be down to the barebones in the coaching department for weeks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robbo_11 Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 Just now, Shadow Puppets said: No doubt, and I’d prefer him not to be there too. But I also think it would be a risk of sorts for the new owners to remove the manager and his coaches with no official plan on who may be coming in. What if we’re left with Jones and a skeleton coaching staff for weeks? I appreciate it is new ownership, but in 2019 we had Neil Redfearn and Ben Dawson overseeing things until Bruce arrived in arguably a key point of any seasons. They will need a plan, but I think if you signal Bruce has gone then you're going to have intermediaries approach similar to Rafa in 2016. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPERTOON Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 Just now, Shadow Puppets said: Who knows? Purely playing devils advocate, I can’t imagine it being a good idea to be down to the barebones in the coaching department for weeks. I just think in our current position we literally have to seize the momentum and feel good around the place and Bruce staying dampens a lot of that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadow Puppets Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 Just now, midds said: If they're professional they'll identify the barriers to progress and remove them immediately. Bruce is the ultimate barrier, makes no sense to me to allow him to continue another day as he's performing disgracefully and has been for some time. I get the fact they are still sounding people out about taking over but that dusky mean the bloke failing miserably should be allowed to continue until they find a more permanent solution. He can't buy a win. He needs to be sacked as a priority. Like, fucking now. I’d prefer that too, but I’m not going to throw my toys out of the pram if he’s still there. Can see plenty of reasons from a business point of view why they might not want to cut and run without replacements in place. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfcastle Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 (edited) No good can come of keeping him around for me. Fly in the ointment of the occasion, will get Bruce out chants and stick if it doesn't go well, will be more awkward to bin if he flukes a win. To say nothing of letting an incompetent who would have been sacked at any club not owned by Mike Ashley already being allowed to dig the hole he got us in any deeper and provide further deterent to anybody we'd want. Edited October 12, 2021 by Wolfcastle Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
midds Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 2 minutes ago, Shadow Puppets said: I’d prefer that too, but I’m not going to throw my toys out of the pram if he’s still there. Can see plenty of reasons from a business point of view why they might not want to cut and run without replacements in place. I understand your point of view but honestly don't agree with it Sticking with a management team that's failing so miserably just because you've not had time to think about replacements make zero sense to me. You remove the underperforming team and replace them s and when you can. Jones and a couple of extra pairs of hands to help out is better than sticking with tried and tested dogshit. Again, just my opinion. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadow Puppets Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 2 minutes ago, midds said: I understand your point of view but honestly don't agree with it Sticking with a management team that's failing so miserably just because you've not had time to think about replacements make zero sense to me. You remove the underperforming team and replace them s and when you can. Jones and a couple of extra pairs of hands to help out is better than sticking with tried and tested dogshit. Again, just my opinion. Jones is part of that tried and tested dog shit ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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