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Even if we beat them?

 

Good luck with that. There is zero percent of chance for us to beat them. Meanwhile if Hull lose Against Liverpool on Tuesday they might save us. I dont see them getting any points against Arsenal, Manchester UTD and Spurs.

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Even if we beat them?

 

Good luck with that. There is zero percent of chance for us to beat them. Meanwhile if Hull lose Against Liverpool on Tuesday they might save us. I dont see them getting any points against Arsenal, Manchester UTD and Spurs.

 

Ugh imagine if we go down on goal difference, saving Hull and Phil Brown makes an appearance again just to sing his song.

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57 goals conceded in 34 games! Almost 1,7 goals per game. The Entertainers couldn't be at top half of the table with that sort of defending.

 

Defending must come from the whole team starting from the first line of attack. No desire, no defence! Carver being such an a**hole you could think he could be able to fix the attitude problem, right?

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If we dont draw against Leicester we are as good as down.

 

I don't understand why people keep saying this - unless you're being superstitious or lazy. It seems pretty clear that even if you lose all your games you're probably going to stay up.

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Even if we beat them?

 

Good luck with that. There is zero percent of chance for us to beat them. Meanwhile if Hull lose Against Liverpool on Tuesday they might save us. I dont see them getting any points against Arsenal, Manchester UTD and Spurs.

People love a bit of hyperbole

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If we dont draw against Leicester we are as good as down.

 

I don't understand why people keep saying this - unless you're being superstitious or lazy. It seems pretty clear that even if you lose all your games you're probably going to stay up.

 

The 4 teams just below us have averaged slightly less than a point a game. Law of averages suggests at least one will overtake us. This assumes we don't pick up anymore points of course. I mean, how likely is that?

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If we dont draw against Leicester we are as good as down.

 

I don't understand why people keep saying this - unless you're being superstitious or lazy. It seems pretty clear that even if you lose all your games you're probably going to stay up.

 

I've been through the predictor and this simply isn't the case.  I didn't even give the lesser teams any shock results and if we don't get a point we go down with Sunderland saved.  If we get one point we stay up in a few scenarios and are down in others.  37 points pretty much guaranteed safety and 38 definitely did.  35 points though and there's definitely very few ways we stay up.  So we definitely need something and the idea we'll stay up no matter what is incorrect.  4 points from five games is all it would take most teams to overtake us on goal difference, which is more than what they're getting.

 

Where is our next point coming from?  That is the real issue here.  I wouldn't back Carver to get a point playing any of the local pub sides.

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If we dont draw against Leicester we are as good as down.

 

I don't understand why people keep saying this - unless you're being superstitious or lazy. It seems pretty clear that even if you lose all your games you're probably going to stay up.

 

I've been through the predictor and this simply isn't the case.  I didn't even give the lesser teams any shock results and if we don't get a point we go down with Sunderland saved.  If we get one point we stay up in a few scenarios and are down in others.  37 points pretty much guaranteed safety and 38 definitely did.  35 points though and there's definitely very few ways we stay up.  So we definitely need something and the idea we'll stay up no matter what is incorrect.  4 points from five games is all it would take most teams to overtake us on goal difference, which is more than what they're getting.

 

Where is our next point coming from?  That is the real issue here.  I wouldn't back Carver to get a point playing any of the local pub sides.

 

If the bottom three teams don't get any shock results they will go down.

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If we dont draw against Leicester we are as good as down.

 

Sunderland will win against Southampton and Westham at home to get 36 points. That will surely mean we go down.

 

I don't understand why people keep saying this - unless you're being superstitious or lazy. It seems pretty clear that even if you lose all your games you're probably going to stay up.

 

I've been through the predictor and this simply isn't the case.  I didn't even give the lesser teams any shock results and if we don't get a point we go down with Sunderland saved.  If we get one point we stay up in a few scenarios and are down in others.  37 points pretty much guaranteed safety and 38 definitely did.  35 points though and there's definitely very few ways we stay up.  So we definitely need something and the idea we'll stay up no matter what is incorrect.  4 points from five games is all it would take most teams to overtake us on goal difference, which is more than what they're getting.

 

Where is our next point coming from?  That is the real issue here.  I wouldn't back Carver to get a point playing any of the local pub sides.

 

If the bottom three teams don't get any shock results they will go down.

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If we dont draw against Leicester we are as good as down.

 

I don't understand why people keep saying this - unless you're being superstitious or lazy. It seems pretty clear that even if you lose all your games you're probably going to stay up.

 

I've been through the predictor and this simply isn't the case.  I didn't even give the lesser teams any shock results and if we don't get a point we go down with Sunderland saved.  If we get one point we stay up in a few scenarios and are down in others.  37 points pretty much guaranteed safety and 38 definitely did.  35 points though and there's definitely very few ways we stay up.  So we definitely need something and the idea we'll stay up no matter what is incorrect.  4 points from five games is all it would take most teams to overtake us on goal difference, which is more than what they're getting.

 

Where is our next point coming from?  That is the real issue here.  I wouldn't back Carver to get a point playing any of the local pub sides.

 

If the bottom three teams don't get any shock results they will go down.

 

Sunderland don't look quite as sackless with the new manager.  Five points from five games, essentially just above relegation form and they stay up above us on goal difference.  The rest don't even need that to get above us.  It's very touch and go when the rate is 1 point per game and every team no matter how crap is edging on that and improving the rate a lot the past ten games.  The past ten games the relegation sides are more like 1.2 points per game.

 

I don't think we'll go down, odds are well against it, but it's not a certainty we stay up by any means.

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If we dont draw against Leicester we are as good as down.

 

I don't understand why people keep saying this - unless you're being superstitious or lazy. It seems pretty clear that even if you lose all your games you're probably going to stay up.

 

I've been through the predictor and this simply isn't the case.  I didn't even give the lesser teams any shock results and if we don't get a point we go down with Sunderland saved.  If we get one point we stay up in a few scenarios and are down in others.  37 points pretty much guaranteed safety and 38 definitely did.  35 points though and there's definitely very few ways we stay up.  So we definitely need something and the idea we'll stay up no matter what is incorrect.  4 points from five games is all it would take most teams to overtake us on goal difference, which is more than what they're getting.

 

Where is our next point coming from?  That is the real issue here.  I wouldn't back Carver to get a point playing any of the local pub sides.

 

Curious to see what results you gave to sunderland if there's no shocks and they survive.

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If we dont draw against Leicester we are as good as down.

 

I don't understand why people keep saying this - unless you're being superstitious or lazy. It seems pretty clear that even if you lose all your games you're probably going to stay up.

 

I've been through the predictor and this simply isn't the case.  I didn't even give the lesser teams any shock results and if we don't get a point we go down with Sunderland saved.  If we get one point we stay up in a few scenarios and are down in others.  37 points pretty much guaranteed safety and 38 definitely did.  35 points though and there's definitely very few ways we stay up.  So we definitely need something and the idea we'll stay up no matter what is incorrect.  4 points from five games is all it would take most teams to overtake us on goal difference, which is more than what they're getting.

 

Where is our next point coming from?  That is the real issue here.  I wouldn't back Carver to get a point playing any of the local pub sides.

 

Curious to see what results you gave to sunderland if there's no shocks and they survive.

 

One home win against another rubbish side and a couple of draws.  That's the permutation where they survive over us, but look at their fixtures and it's more than possible.  It's not probable, which is why we'll probably survive.  It's just no certainty.

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Found a quick predictor on a Grimsby forum, the results are:

 

 

Team         P.    GD Pts

Chelsea 38 39 88

Arsenal 38 31 82

Man City 38 34 77

Man Utd 38 25 74

Liverpool 38 11 67

Tottenham 38 6 64

Soton 38 21 62

Swansea 38 -3 52

Stoke 38 -3 51

Everton 38 1 50

West Ham 38 0 49

Palace 38 -5 43

Leicester 38 -16 39

Aston Villa 38 -22 39

West Brom 38 -14 38

Newcastle 38 -21 37

Hull.  38 -14 35

Mackems.  38 -23 34

QPR         38 -21 30

Burnley 38 -26 27

 

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Villa 39

Leicester 38

Newcastle 37 (at a push) - would still stay up by one point.

Mackems 35

Hull 34

 

QPR and Burnley already gone IMO.

 

for the mackems to get 5 points really need to do it in their next three games - possible yes - likely not a chance. Can't see them getting anything at Everton with their current form and their only chance is to get to wins from their home games which on the basis of their home form for this season is unlikely. I think they will get 3 - 4 points at most and if they do get 4 will go down on goal difference. They won't repeat the unreal situation of last year as I don't think that will ever happen again.

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My only worry is that a few teams in the shit string a couple of results together and get a bit of belief, see a glimmer of hope, which can give you a huge boost if you previously thought you were dead and buried.  Especially when you're playing teams who have absolutely fuck all to play for.  You know, like, uh, Swansea.

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If we dont draw against Leicester we are as good as down.

 

I don't understand why people keep saying this - unless you're being superstitious or lazy. It seems pretty clear that even if you lose all your games you're probably going to stay up.

 

I've been through the predictor and this simply isn't the case.  I didn't even give the lesser teams any shock results and if we don't get a point we go down with Sunderland saved.  If we get one point we stay up in a few scenarios and are down in others.  37 points pretty much guaranteed safety and 38 definitely did.  35 points though and there's definitely very few ways we stay up.  So we definitely need something and the idea we'll stay up no matter what is incorrect.  4 points from five games is all it would take most teams to overtake us on goal difference, which is more than what they're getting.

 

Where is our next point coming from?  That is the real issue here.  I wouldn't back Carver to get a point playing any of the local pub sides.

 

If the bottom three teams don't get any shock results they will go down.

 

Sunderland might get a shock result, teams tend to have nothing to play for by the end of the season. It happens every season.

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