Rosenrot Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 Unfortunately I still can’t see this going anywhere. I don’t think Ashley will sue. Seriously? Did you read the club's statement . . . "This conclusion has been reached despite the club providing the Premier League with overwhelming evidence and legal opinions that PIF is independent and autonomous of the Saudi Arabian government." "The club and its owners do not accept that Premier League chief executive Richard Masters and the Premier League have acted appropriately in relation to this matter and will be considering all relevant options available to them." Yes. I have read it. It will all depend on whether their lawyers think the case is winnable. The problem is that PIF is clearly not autonomous and independent of the Saudi Arabian government. I know it’s complete hypocrisy when compared to Man City etc. but hey this is Newcastle United, what do we expect? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sima Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 Keys and Sir John Bein Sports on the panel. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teasy Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 Be just our luck that mike sues them for £300m and wins meaning he doesn’t need to sell the club anymore. Stuck with him forever If he won that there wouldn't be a Premier League left to play in ?. They'd be bankrupt 50 times over. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sima Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 Apparently the Premier League aren’t very cash rich. They’re better off just waving it through at this point. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teasy Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 Unfortunately I still can’t see this going anywhere. I don’t think Ashley will sue. Seriously? Did you read the club's statement . . . "This conclusion has been reached despite the club providing the Premier League with overwhelming evidence and legal opinions that PIF is independent and autonomous of the Saudi Arabian government." "The club and its owners do not accept that Premier League chief executive Richard Masters and the Premier League have acted appropriately in relation to this matter and will be considering all relevant options available to them." Yes. I have read it. It will all depend on whether their lawyers think the case is winnable. The problem is that PIF is clearly not autonomous and independent of the Saudi Arabian government. I know it’s complete hypocrisy when compared to Man City etc. but hey this is Newcastle United, what do we expect? But do you not think he'd have taken that advice before making such a incredibly strong statement? "overwhelming evidence" saying the top guy at the Premier League has "acted inappropriately". It's pretty strong for someone who's not yet decided his position. By the way we're is your evidence that PIF are clearly not autonomous? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stifler Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 Apparently the Premier League aren’t very cash rich. They’re better off just waving it through at this point. They aren’t. Their accounts legit show nothin in it. Aside from money they need for expenses, everything gets paid out to it’s member clubs and parachute payments. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robster Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 I'm trying to interpret what George is saying here. Is he saying that they were quietly getting things done behind the scenes but Ashley has fucked it all with his statement ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thumbheed Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 Unfortunately I still can’t see this going anywhere. I don’t think Ashley will sue. Seriously? Did you read the club's statement . . . "This conclusion has been reached despite the club providing the Premier League with overwhelming evidence and legal opinions that PIF is independent and autonomous of the Saudi Arabian government." "The club and its owners do not accept that Premier League chief executive Richard Masters and the Premier League have acted appropriately in relation to this matter and will be considering all relevant options available to them." Yes. I have read it. It will all depend on whether their lawyers think the case is winnable. The problem is that PIF is clearly not autonomous and independent of the Saudi Arabian government. I know it’s complete hypocrisy when compared to Man City etc. but hey this is Newcastle United, what do we expect? Isn't there already precedent of them being proved legally seperate? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gdm Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 Unfortunately I still can’t see this going anywhere. I don’t think Ashley will sue. Seriously? Did you read the club's statement . . . "This conclusion has been reached despite the club providing the Premier League with overwhelming evidence and legal opinions that PIF is independent and autonomous of the Saudi Arabian government." "The club and its owners do not accept that Premier League chief executive Richard Masters and the Premier League have acted appropriately in relation to this matter and will be considering all relevant options available to them." Yes. I have read it. It will all depend on whether their lawyers think the case is winnable. The problem is that PIF is clearly not autonomous and independent of the Saudi Arabian government. I know it’s complete hypocrisy when compared to Man City etc. but hey this is Newcastle United, what do we expect? But do you not think he'd have taken that advice before making such a incredibly strong statement? "overwhelming evidence" saying the top guy at the Premier League has "acted inappropriately". It's pretty strong for someone who's not yet decided his position. Definately unless this is a knee jerk statement the lawyers have already indicated there is a case Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest reefatoon Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 It’s all part of the plan. Premier league have told them they will initially reject it but it will fly through on appeal, so we will just go through the motions. In the meantime the new owners have been bringing in the new players ready for the appeal approval. Solved it. The sneaky bastards. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gdm Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 I'm trying to interpret what George is saying here. Is he saying that they were quietly getting things done behind the scenes but Ashley has fucked it all with his statement ? Well he did say he wanted to hear from the club Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 Apparently the Premier League aren’t very cash rich. They’re better off just waving it through at this point. They aren’t. Their accounts legit show nothin in it. Aside from money they need for expenses, everything gets paid out to it’s member clubs and parachute payments. Yeap because it's a organisation owned by the clubs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thumbheed Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 I'm trying to interpret what George is saying here. Is he saying that they were quietly getting things done behind the scenes but Ashley has f***ed it all with his statement ? "Escalation" reads to me as being part of the process. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rosenrot Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 Unfortunately I still can’t see this going anywhere. I don’t think Ashley will sue. Seriously? Did you read the club's statement . . . "This conclusion has been reached despite the club providing the Premier League with overwhelming evidence and legal opinions that PIF is independent and autonomous of the Saudi Arabian government." "The club and its owners do not accept that Premier League chief executive Richard Masters and the Premier League have acted appropriately in relation to this matter and will be considering all relevant options available to them." Yes. I have read it. It will all depend on whether their lawyers think the case is winnable. The problem is that PIF is clearly not autonomous and independent of the Saudi Arabian government. I know it’s complete hypocrisy when compared to Man City etc. but hey this is Newcastle United, what do we expect? But do you not think he'd have taken that advice before making such a incredibly strong statement? "overwhelming evidence" saying the top guy at the Premier League has "acted inappropriately". It's pretty strong for someone who's not yet decided his position. By the way we're is your evidence that PIF are clearly not autonomous? The PIF board: Ibrahim Abdulaziz Al-Assaf - Minister of State and member of the Saudi Council of Ministers Majid Abdullah Al Qasabi - Minister of Commerce Mohammad Abdul Malek Al Shaikh - Minister of State and member of the Saudi Council of Ministers Ahmed Aqeel Al-Khateeb - Minister of Tourism Khalid Abdulaziz Al-Falih - Minister of Investment Mohammed Abdullah Al-Jadaan - Minister of Finance and of course: Chairman of PIF Mohammad bin Salman - The Crown Prince of Saudi Arabia... I can imagine you’d have to be a pretty bloody good lawyer to convince anyone that they are independent of the Saudi state... However maybe it is possible, or maybe they hope they can force the PL into submission through expensive litigation? I’m just not feeling positive about it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiresias Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 Any lawsuit will drag on for ages and if it has any outcome in favour of ashley it will probably be long past teh consortium still being interested. Unless the league caves immediately at the threat I am not sure this will really impact anything Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
duo Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 Hopefully Saudi Arabia fund the appeal- shine a light on the corruption. I cannot see how its ok for Sheikh Mansour to own Man City but MBS can't own Newcastle. Qatar clearly have had a say. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 Any lawsuit will drag on for ages and if it has any outcome in favour of ashley it will probably be long past teh consortium still being interested. Unless the league caves immediately at the threat I am not sure this will really impact anything Any legal action will be for compensation not for the takeover to be approved. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jarralad Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 The more it drags on the more it costs the PL. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheInfiniteOdyssey Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 PR masterstroke this for Ashley Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiresias Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 Unfortunately I still can’t see this going anywhere. I don’t think Ashley will sue. Seriously? Did you read the club's statement . . . "This conclusion has been reached despite the club providing the Premier League with overwhelming evidence and legal opinions that PIF is independent and autonomous of the Saudi Arabian government." "The club and its owners do not accept that Premier League chief executive Richard Masters and the Premier League have acted appropriately in relation to this matter and will be considering all relevant options available to them." Yes. I have read it. It will all depend on whether their lawyers think the case is winnable. The problem is that PIF is clearly not autonomous and independent of the Saudi Arabian government. I know it’s complete hypocrisy when compared to Man City etc. but hey this is Newcastle United, what do we expect? But do you not think he'd have taken that advice before making such a incredibly strong statement? "overwhelming evidence" saying the top guy at the Premier League has "acted inappropriately". It's pretty strong for someone who's not yet decided his position. By the way we're is your evidence that PIF are clearly not autonomous? The PIF board: Ibrahim Abdulaziz Al-Assaf - Minister of State and member of the Saudi Council of Ministers Majid Abdullah Al Qasabi - Minister of Commerce Mohammad Abdul Malek Al Shaikh - Minister of State and member of the Saudi Council of Ministers Ahmed Aqeel Al-Khateeb - Minister of Tourism Khalid Abdulaziz Al-Falih - Minister of Investment Mohammed Abdullah Al-Jadaan - Minister of Finance and of course: Chairman of PIF Mohammad bin Salman - The Crown Prince of Saudi Arabia... I can imagine you’d have to be a pretty bloody good lawyer to convince anyone that they are independent of the Saudi state... However maybe it is possible, or maybe they hope they can force the PL into submission through expensive litigation? I’m just not feeling positive about it. Where's the evidence PIF aren't autonomous get real this. Now we don't know what the assurances that were handed to the league about MBS and co not being involved, maybe they are completely credible and premier league not listening was unreasonable, however, PIF is the saudi state and claiming otherwise is willful blindness. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiresias Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 Any lawsuit will drag on for ages and if it has any outcome in favour of ashley it will probably be long past teh consortium still being interested. Unless the league caves immediately at the threat I am not sure this will really impact anything Any legal action will be for compensation not for the takeover to be approved. That's what I mean. It's just a bit of a shrug from me Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 Unfortunately I still can’t see this going anywhere. I don’t think Ashley will sue. Seriously? Did you read the club's statement . . . "This conclusion has been reached despite the club providing the Premier League with overwhelming evidence and legal opinions that PIF is independent and autonomous of the Saudi Arabian government." "The club and its owners do not accept that Premier League chief executive Richard Masters and the Premier League have acted appropriately in relation to this matter and will be considering all relevant options available to them." Yes. I have read it. It will all depend on whether their lawyers think the case is winnable. The problem is that PIF is clearly not autonomous and independent of the Saudi Arabian government. I know it’s complete hypocrisy when compared to Man City etc. but hey this is Newcastle United, what do we expect? But do you not think he'd have taken that advice before making such a incredibly strong statement? "overwhelming evidence" saying the top guy at the Premier League has "acted inappropriately". It's pretty strong for someone who's not yet decided his position. By the way we're is your evidence that PIF are clearly not autonomous? The PIF board: Ibrahim Abdulaziz Al-Assaf - Minister of State and member of the Saudi Council of Ministers Majid Abdullah Al Qasabi - Minister of Commerce Mohammad Abdul Malek Al Shaikh - Minister of State and member of the Saudi Council of Ministers Ahmed Aqeel Al-Khateeb - Minister of Tourism Khalid Abdulaziz Al-Falih - Minister of Investment Mohammed Abdullah Al-Jadaan - Minister of Finance and of course: Chairman of PIF Mohammad bin Salman - The Crown Prince of Saudi Arabia... I can imagine you’d have to be a pretty bloody good lawyer to convince anyone that they are independent of the Saudi state... However maybe it is possible, or maybe they hope they can force the PL into submission through expensive litigation? I’m just not feeling positive about it. Where's the evidence PIF aren't autonomous get real this. Now we don't know what the assurances that were handed to the league about MBS and co not being involved, maybe they are completely credible and premier league not listening was unreasonable, however, PIF is the saudi state and claiming otherwise is willful blindness. This is the thing, just because 1 side says the evidence is overwhelming and correct doesn't mean it's correct. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thumbheed Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 Any lawsuit will drag on for ages and if it has any outcome in favour of ashley it will probably be long past teh consortium still being interested. Unless the league caves immediately at the threat I am not sure this will really impact anything Any legal action will be for compensation not for the takeover to be approved. That's what I mean. It's just a bit of a shrug from me What compensation we talking here? Where's the monetary value in taking the PL to court? This is 100% to challenge the decision. They literally tell you as much in the statement. Its the clearest statement we've had in 13 years ffs Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OpenC Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 I cannot see how its ok for Sheikh Mansour to own Man City but MBS can't own Newcastle smoke and mirrors aside, this is the top and bottom of it for me Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scotty66 Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 Any lawsuit will drag on for ages and if it has any outcome in favour of ashley it will probably be long past teh consortium still being interested. Unless the league caves immediately at the threat I am not sure this will really impact anything Any legal action will be for compensation not for the takeover to be approved. That's what I mean. It's just a bit of a shrug from me Could go to court of arbitration to sport and get the decision overturned apparently. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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