wormy Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 work with the other 11 clubs = accept this or you're the bad guys for not voting for EFL clubs getting money to survive. Bent fucks. Let's see them offer it up while not making a total power grab. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Sima Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 It would be interesting to see which EFL clubs are in favour of it. I can imagine there will be a lot of League One/League Two clubs in there as they're getting money for nothing with them having no realistic chance of reaching the Premier League. But those teams that have a decent chunk of PL seasons under their belt voting for it when it could mean they never reach the levels they've been at in the last 30 years? Can't see there being many in favour. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 No parachute payments will make the ‘product’ awful. If teams are defensive against the big clubs now, imagine what the teams at the bottom will be like knowing there’s little chance of coming back, or being financially fucked, if they go down. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wormy Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 Unfortunately the dangling carrot of helping the efl clubs will be to big for some to refuse One EFL club chairman has already been on SSN saying he’s backing it and most lower league clubs will. Gary Neville has said he’s backing it, so that’s Salford behind it. Aye, it’ll find its way thru. Our game has gone As long as 11 EPL teams stay strong then it doesn’t really matter about what the ELF think. Government is totally against it also Apparently and surprisingly, West Ham are supposed to be against it and they are included in the top 9. Not surprisingly as they are one bad season away from relegation, and habe battled it the last couple of years. Thry drop their power is lost forever. Much better to have it as it is. Sorry if already covered but if one of them drops out of the PL does another 'long-serving' club step in for that 9th place vote? Or does the power reduce to eight? Even if/when that relegated club returns to the PL they don't regain that power? So say West Ham, Southampton and Everton all have a dodgy period over the next decade or so and drop out of the league, the 'big six' then get to decide everything entirely unopposed? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LFEE Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 The 9th place vote is irrelevant when they just need 6/9 to make a decision and the 6 will be in full agreement on everything. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stifler Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 Unfortunately the dangling carrot of helping the efl clubs will be to big for some to refuse One EFL club chairman has already been on SSN saying he’s backing it and most lower league clubs will. Gary Neville has said he’s backing it, so that’s Salford behind it. Aye, it’ll find its way thru. Our game has gone As long as 11 EPL teams stay strong then it doesn’t really matter about what the ELF think. Government is totally against it also Apparently and surprisingly, West Ham are supposed to be against it and they are included in the top 9. Not surprisingly as they are one bad season away from relegation, and habe battled it the last couple of years. Thry drop their power is lost forever. Much better to have it as it is. Sorry if already covered but if one of them drops out of the PL does another 'long-serving' club step in for that 9th place vote? Or does the power reduce to eight? Even if/when that relegated club returns to the PL they don't regain that power? So say West Ham, Southampton and Everton all have a dodgy period over the next decade or so and drop out of the league, the 'big six' then get to decide everything entirely unopposed? In all honesty, they could easily vote to out the other 3 at anytime in anyway. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wormy Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 The 9th place vote is irrelevant when they just need 6/9 to make a decision and the 6 will be in full agreement on everything. Jesus Christ I wasn't aware of that. So even increasing the seats at the table to 9 is all just for show. Corrupt to the core. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest reefatoon Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 It’s absolutely lifting. Hope it all crumbles around the greedy bastards. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stifler Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 Imagine if the 5 of the top 6 and Everton suddenly decided that Liverpool can’t have a vote and voted them out. Doesn’t sound right does it? That’s exactly what they are proposing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shearergol Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 BTW the best thing the PL could do today in reaction to this is approve our takeover. A massive fuck you to this lot. That's what I was alluding to. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robster Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 BTW the best thing the PL could do today in reaction to this is approve our takeover. A massive fuck you to this lot. That's what I was alluding to. Have to say I agree. If the PL are genuinely unaware of this whole thing and see it as a threat to their authority, approving our takeover would be a hell of a response. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest reefatoon Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 Then watch our new owners come in and agree to the big picture plans as a fuck you to the premier league for dragging their heels. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stifler Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 Then watch our new owners come in and agree to the big picture plans as a fuck you to the premier league for dragging their heels. They wouldn’t vote to have no power. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 I don't think this is an american thing? Not at all. These clubs will have wanted this for years, just convenient timing. Glazers at Man U - 20 years FSG at Liverpool - 10 years Kroenke at Arsenal - 9 years Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
r0cafella Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 No amount of money is enough for the greedy. This is universal. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wormy Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 I don't think this is an american thing? Not at all. These clubs will have wanted this for years, just convenient timing. Agreed. Don't think it's an American thing; just a greedy cunts thing and some of those greedy cunts just happen to be American. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 It's a British thing to piss and moan about it, it's very American to do something about it. It's a very clever plan to seize power, sure emperor palpatine has a hand in this new senate. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 Most American owners are flabbergasted by the concept that they can buy a club and the revenues are dependent on immediate and regular high performance to qualify for the Europe - while a particularly bad season could see them relegated and ejected entirely from the gravytrain. There is no security or stability in European sport which is terrible for an investor from a background of US sport. In the US if you buy/set up a franchise that's you secure in the league for as long as you want. Stability for a business model and no risk. No need to finish high and qualify for continental competitions every year. Indeed you can throw a season altogether to get a better draft pick to build for a long-term team/brand. This is quite clearly a move driven in a significant part by American ownership pushing for a model which allows more power for big clubs and ensures stability. This solidifies their investment. It's not the only reason but the gradual takeover by US capitalists is clearly a significant part of this shift. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tisd09 Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 This is obviously going to be framed as the only way to save the football pyramid and any of the outside 11 not on board will be painted as the villains in not wanting to "save the EFL" It is great for most League 1 and 2 clubs but with this in place I doubt another Bournemouth could happen for example? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wormy Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 This is obviously going to be framed as the only way to save the football pyramid and any of the outside 11 not on board will be painted as the villains in not wanting to "save the EFL" It is great for most League 1 and 2 clubs but with this in place I doubt another Bournemouth could happen for example? Basically holding everyone to ransom in one way or another. Other clubs that don't vote it in are evil and don't want smaller clubs to get a cut of money the big boys were so generous to offer. While those smaller clubs are basically paid off, allowing them to survive, all while making them sign away their ability to ever compete with those oh-so-generous big boys if they had a chance in future. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conjo Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 Most American owners are flabbergasted by the concept that they can buy a club and the revenues are dependent on immediate and regular high performance to qualify for the Europe - while a particularly bad season could see them relegated and ejected entirely from the gravytrain. There is no security or stability in European sport which is terrible for an investor from a background of US sport. In the US if you buy/set up a franchise that's you secure in the league for as long as you want. Stability for a business model and no risk. No need to finish high and qualify for continental competitions every year. Indeed you can throw a season altogether to get a better draft pick to build for a long-term team/brand. This is quite clearly a move driven in a significant part by American ownership pushing for a model which allows more power for big clubs to and ensures stability. This solidifies their investment. It's not the only reason but the gradual takeover by US capitalists is clearly a significant part of this shift. What is that based on, not calling you out, but I haven't seen it. I know they most likely prefer the american model with the draft picks, but I don't see this link. Stability for Liverpool/Man United? They aren't in danger of relegation any time soon. FWIW I would actually like a draft here, not that logistically its possbile really. I just see it as typical big club power grab. It's not an American thing anymore. If you look at new sports, f.ex E-sports, all the big teams around the world wants a franchise style league to protect their own brand. That's the route they've gone at Riot games and Blizzard, and all the teams have fought for a similar arrangement in CS:GO the last couple of years as well, only partly managing to do so since Valve is not as hands on with the e-sports side of the game as other game developers. If football was a newer sport, this is definitely the way it would have gone too imo, sadly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pons Alias Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 Who exactly are The Big Six anyway? That can’t include Spurs or Arsenal.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ankles Bennett Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 Seems to me if one of the top 6 ends up in a relegation spot the top 6 will simply suspend relegation that season . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pons Alias Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 You can’t be top 6 and in a relegation spot. Aren’t we currently top 6? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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