manorpark Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 Who exactly are The Big Six anyway? That can’t include Spurs or Arsenal.. The "Big Six" is a Sky Sports invention, that many people now seem to accept as 100% real. There is an element of self-fulfilling reality in it, as "money generates money", but that is what it really is, a 'Sky Sports' invention . . . if repeated often enough it becomes real, etc. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 A few seasons ago it was the 'big four' (Man United, Arsenal, Chelsea and Liverpool) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hhtoon Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 This is obviously going to be framed as the only way to save the football pyramid and any of the outside 11 not on board will be painted as the villains in not wanting to "save the EFL" It is great for most League 1 and 2 clubs but with this in place I doubt another Bournemouth could happen for example? I was thinking that but all the pieces aren't tied together and it's just the first proposal - ditching the special rights for 9 clubs doesn't impact on the financial plans for lower leagues. Surely if the other clubs all object to the clear power play elements but agree the financial, the top 9 or whatever will look pretty bad if they then pull the plug as they're not getting their way. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
huss9 Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 i wonder if down the line they want franchises and scrapping of relegation/promotion or limiting it to 1 team a aseason. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 It's funny how the top six didn't even finish in the top six last season. And, on the basis of the season so far, will absolutely not finish in the top six again this time around. As said above, it's pure fiction. A Sky invention. You wouldn't know it but competition is actually rife in the Premier League. All the more reason for why this whole proposal is a load of absolute bollocks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
J7 Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 It doesn't take a rocket scientist to work out who the 'big 6' are when you look at revenue. They're all included in the 9 teams who've been in the league the longest anyway and there's nothing suggesting it's top 6 in the league. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
manorpark Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 Who exactly are The Big Six anyway? That can’t include Spurs or Arsenal.. The "Big Six" is a Sky Sports invention, that many people now seem to accept as 100% real. There is an element of self-fulfilling reality in it, as "money generates money", but that is what it really is, a 'Sky Sports' invention . . . if repeated often enough it becomes real, etc. It's funny how the top six didn't even finish in the top six last season. And, on the basis of the season so far, will absolutely not finish in the top six again this time around. As said above, it's pure fiction. A Sky invention. You wouldn't know it but competition is actually rife in the Premier League. All the more reason for why this whole proposal is a load of absolute bollocks. The current Sky Big Six do not have to be in the 'Top Six' (those are two very different things) and if these corrupt proposals are taken seriously, then the current big six will suddenly become the 'permanent' Big Six. What a sad joke this is. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 It doesn't take a rocket scientist to work out who the 'big 6' are when you look at revenue. They're all included in the 9 teams who've been in the league the longest anyway and there's nothing suggesting it's top 6 in the league. It's still an invention, based at least partly on the false assumption that they're the best six teams in the league. It's almost a brand of its own at this point. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sima Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 Remember when we had that season under Pardew and Sky used to cut the table off arbitrarily at the position directly above us? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 PROJECT BIG PICTURE PROPOSALS 7) New rules for the distribution of Premier League television income both overseas and domestic This will be one of the main motivations for this whole proposal from the 'big six'. They've been moaning for a while at the relatively equal distribution of TV money, which to anyone but them is a positive thing that makes the league more competitive. But they want to be in Real/Barca's position where they're hoovering up all the TV revenue instead. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 Remember when we had that season under Pardew and Sky used to cut the table off arbitrarily at the position directly above us? Wouldn’t expect anything else. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 Mind it's absolutely crackers how we're a club, arguably moreso then any other, who have the 'sense of entitlement' accusation levelled at us. Meanwhile shite like this is going on in the background. Absolutely no one club, competing in a league of 20, should have more rights or a heavier vote than a fellow competitor. If you've done well, performed well, invested well, shot up the table in recent years or created a dynasty - fair fucking play, well done, hats off, here's a well-earned and proportionate prize. But you shouldn't be rewarded to the extent that you have more of a vote than FC Shitbastards down the road who, in pursuit of the same goal, just appointed the wrong manager or wasted money on the wrong striker. How is that a proportionate prize? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wormy Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 You can’t be top 6 and in a relegation spot. Aren’t we currently top 6? They should make it so that whenever a rule change is proposed the top six at that exact moment in time gets the voting privileges. The ensuing carnage could be more entertaining than the football. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
InspectorCoarse Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 Football is dead . Walk away ... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wormy Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 Mind it's absolutely crackers how we're a club, arguably moreso then any other, who have the accusation of entitlement levelled at us. Meanwhile shite like this is going on in the background. Absolutely no one club, competing a league of 20, should have more rights or a heavier vote than a fellow competitor. If you've done well, performed well, invested well, shot up the table in recent years or created a dynasty - fair fucking play, well done, hats off, here's a well-earned and proportionate prize. But you shouldn't be rewarded to the extent that you have more of a vote than FC Shitbastards down the road who, in pursuit of the same goal, just appointed the wrong manager or wasted money on the wrong striker. It's the football equivalent of billionaires whinging about the Government benefits for the poor while getting their tax cuts, grants and juicy Government contracts through their old Eton pals. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ankles Bennett Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 You can’t be top 6 and in a relegation spot. Aren’t we currently top 6? Yes I meant one of the big 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NG32 Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 If this comes about, I think that will be me finished with top level football. The league will be a none entity as a competition and it will pointless giving it any interest. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tisd09 Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 This is obviously going to be framed as the only way to save the football pyramid and any of the outside 11 not on board will be painted as the villains in not wanting to "save the EFL" It is great for most League 1 and 2 clubs but with this in place I doubt another Bournemouth could happen for example? I was thinking that but all the pieces aren't tied together and it's just the first proposal - ditching the special rights for 9 clubs doesn't impact on the financial plans for lower leagues. Surely if the other clubs all object to the clear power play elements but agree the financial, the top 9 or whatever will look pretty bad if they then pull the plug as they're not getting their way. It probably is a case of putting the feelers out there and see what the general thoughts are with this. My fear is that is will become the 11 v 70 and if that is the narrative then the "big 6" will get their way. I see the Fleetwood chairman has already come out in support of it and I can't blame him really. It helps them become more stable and lets face it Fleetwood getting to the top is very unlikely so he is in a no lose situation. I guess clubs like Sunderland, Ipswich, Hull and most of the Championship whilst would welcome the financial support would be skeptical of the closed group at the top as the proposals would make it more difficult for the to reach the Premier League. The loan proposals also concern me, surely that will lead to more stockpiling of young talent?? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
xLiaaamx Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 The Big Four/Six phrasing only got coined once we were safely away from the European spots. Wasn't a thing during the late 90's early 00's when we were regular european competitors. I doubt we're very popular as a club, partially because we're so far north meaning more travelling when teams have to come here. The league would much rather Leeds or Sheffield was the most northerly point. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tisd09 Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 If this comes about, I think that will be me finished with top level football. The league will be a none entity as a competition and it will pointless giving it any interest. I am a bit young to remember the ins and outs and the birth of the PL but I wonder if a lot of fans felt like this at the time? Listening to SSN earlier on, I was thinking that if all this went ahead I would find it more difficult to be interested in the top level. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 The Big Four/Six phrasing only got coined once we were safely away from the European spots. Wasn't a thing during the late 90's early 00's when we were regular european competitors. I doubt we're very popular as a club, partially because we're so far north meaning more travelling when teams have to come here. The league would much rather Leeds or Sheffield was the most northerly point. I think we are also seen as more of a potential threat to the big 6 than most other teams due to the combination of fanatical fanbase, one club city, and the geography which literally sees us stand apart. The Saudi bid for us must have shook the big boys to the core, hence the political pressure applied to the PL to refuse the takeover. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheInfiniteOdyssey Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 Horrible bastards Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 Operation Avarice would surely leave all but ‘big six’ on life support Project Big Picture, or Operation Avarice as it should be called, is so wretchedly, nakedly cynical, so obviously greed dressed up as munificence, that it deserves the widespread contempt it has immediately garnered. Everybody can see through what the “big six” are up to, wanting to run English football, ruining the dreams of those who aspire to the heights, diminishing the power of the FA further, and setting the scene for the European Super League. It is “the theft of hope”, as one Newcastle United fan eloquently but mournfully lamented. It is a short-term bandage that leaves a long-term wound that will never heal. The need for a proper debate on the structure and finances of football is beyond question, and was urgent even before the poisonous wind of the pandemic blew through the English game. But discussions should always take place as a football family, as a collective, not a self-interested cabal led by Liverpool and Manchester United dictating terms in patronising fashion to the rest of the pyramid, including their supposedly less-celebrated colleagues in the Premier League. This closes down the dream factory of English football. So shortly after FSG’s Liverpool had seven put past them by Aston Villa makes it a strange time to launch Mission Power Grab. At a time when the players of Liverpool, such as Trent Alexander-Arnold, Andrew Robertson and Jordan Henderson, and Manchester United, like Marcus Rashford, are doing so much for the community, the threat by their owners to control English football seems even more egregious. Elements of the proposal are good — helping out the EFL with £250 million and FA with £100 million, capping away tickets at £20, addressing the madness of parachute payments and encouraging sustainability is to be welcomed throughout the EFL — but close inspection of the proposal reveals immediate and manifold concerns. It seems strange the elite have recently been pleading poverty, some flirting with furloughing staff, and yet have now found all this ready cash, ready for transferring down-table. What the “big six” offer the EFL is effectively what they gave to agents last year. And it’s not even only their money, and depending on their broadcast negotiating power they will effectively be saving £200 million of the £250 million long-term by losing two clubs. It needs saying again that Richard Scudamore’s greatest gift, beyond the former Premier League executive chairman’s mastery of broadcast negotiations, was to keep all 20 clubs pointed in the same direction. Not now. This plan points the Premier League towards civil war. A proper plan would be to acknowledge how much of their talent is honed in the EFL, and how much it is in their self-interest to help the pyramid. There is enough broadcast money at the top level to assist the weaker parts of English football, and they are stronger together, a 92, unique throughout the world. If the elite clubs are concerned about their own profits, maybe they could temper the wages they lavish on stars, the substantial transfer fees they pay, the riches they give to agents. They could work more subtly with the government, persuade the exchequer to contribute to the lower leagues. It is particularly “disappointing”, to borrow the word of an outraged Premier League, that the EFL’s chairman, Rick Parry, has fallen into cahoots with the Glazers, FSG and those whose creed is greed. Parry, formerly chief executive of Liverpool, suddenly appears a Trojan Horse. Some of his 72 clubs will doubtless support the proposals, such is their despair which the “big six” are preying on. “Through this proposed restructuring we aim to strengthen those who need it most at a time when they need it most,” Parry says. “This is a blueprint for the future of English football and for everyone who cherishes it.” Nonsense. This leaves English football being run from Boston and the Everglades. It would leave the rich getting richer, leaving the Premier League under a rule of six, in control of broadcast deals, inevitably maximising their return, running the league, overruling the FA, even deciding who should come into other clubs. It adds some credence to all those stories that certain clubs intervened to stop the Saudi takeover of Newcastle, not because they objected to human rights abuses but because they feared a challenge to their attempted hegemony. These plans limit the likes of pesky upstarts who dare take on the established order, a Leicester City pushing for the title, an Aston Villa rebuilding. It restricts the ambitions of those in mid-table, and tells the promoted to know their place. They are an affront to sporting integrity. Reducing the number of clubs in the Premier League to 18 frees up more dates for the European Super League which is, partly, what this is all about, and everyone understands the damage that would do to English football. Those few supporting Parry do not see the real big picture. https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/sport/operation-avarice-would-surely-leave-all-but-big-six-on-life-support-dct38dtcb Henry Winter man. Not only is he one of the best football writers in the game, but he absolutely loves us. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nufcjb Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 The audacity of two of the 'Big Six' to come out with this proposal after losing their last game 2-7 and 1-6. Absolute cunts Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 Sooner football at the top crashes and burns the better. It's disgusting. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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