TheBrownBottle Posted May 30, 2022 Share Posted May 30, 2022 Aren’t Saudia owned by the state? I’m not sure if the ‘related parties’ / separation thing will rear its ugly head, but you can guarantee a number of clubs will cry foul if we’re sponsored by Saudia next season for a jillion quid a year Of course, I suspect they could wrap up the PL in litigation as a giant ‘FU’ but Staveley said they intended to play by the rules It strikes me that we might end up with non-Saudi sponsorship - from large organisations who have or want links to PIF … Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NE27 Posted May 30, 2022 Share Posted May 30, 2022 Still not sure how anyone is determining fair value like. Will they take into account that our sponsors have been unfair value for the club for years? Would be totally unfair basing anything on what mike Ashley's version of nufc has done in the past 10 years as he actively throttled us commercially as a club. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted May 30, 2022 Share Posted May 30, 2022 5 minutes ago, McCormick said: Tbf unless we’re dealing with PIF directly on sponsorships(which I imagine is not allowed under PL rules) even Saudi companies are looking for “fair value”. Companies like Saudia and Aramco aren’t charities and won’t just throw money at us so we can win the league. Saudia & Aramco are almost entirely govt-owned. They won’t give a monkeys about fair value if the bigger picture is having a super successful club - but I also suspect they’d run foul of the PL Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
McCormick Posted May 30, 2022 Share Posted May 30, 2022 2 minutes ago, TheBrownBottle said: Saudia & Aramco are almost entirely govt-owned. They won’t give a monkeys about fair value if the bigger picture is having a super successful club - but I also suspect they’d run foul of the PL Of course but they’re still under pressure to perform financially and their success is of bigger national importance than a successful football team? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted May 30, 2022 Share Posted May 30, 2022 1 minute ago, McCormick said: Of course but they’re still under pressure to perform financially and their success is of bigger national importance than a successful football team? I absolutely take your point - but it’s all relative. Aramco makes average profits of $300m per day - two days profits would completely transform any football club and they wouldn’t blink That’s not to suggest that they’ll throw those sums at us - but if a successful NUFC is part of a wider plan, they won’t blink. These organisations and companies are separate institutions in name only - it all goes into the same pot Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Groundhog63 Posted May 30, 2022 Share Posted May 30, 2022 Need to keep in mind the supposed 3 year long "investigation" into Man City's funding. Unrealistic payments for sponsorship. Burner funding via unverified 3rd parties. Unrecorded payments to players and agents. Of course, so far, nothings come of it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nufcjmc Posted May 30, 2022 Share Posted May 30, 2022 (edited) Not sure if it was on here or a Google search I read how deep and nieche sponsorship can be some clubs have sponsorship for official car, official male grooming, official post carrier etc. A sponsor for the ground, training kit, get into Europe and get an official flight partner even if the league presses the value down the lack of sponsors in an around the club due to shite direct does lend itself for a sudden cash injection regardless of suppression of the monetary deal. Could all the deals bring in 50/70m a season? Like others have said is that fair or not who knows. Edited May 30, 2022 by nufcjmc Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geordie Ahmed Posted May 30, 2022 Share Posted May 30, 2022 5 minutes ago, nufcjmc said: Not sure if it was on here or a Google search I read how deep and nieche sponsorship can be some clubs have sponsorship for official car, official male grooming, official post carrier etc. A sponsor for the ground, training kit, get into Europe and get an official flight partner even if the league presses the value down the lack of sponsors in an around the club due to shite direct does lend itself for a sudden cash injection regardless of suppression of the monetary deal. Could all the deals bring in 50/70m a season? Like others have said is that fair or not who knows. I think Man-U are the best at it, got a strategic sponsor for almost everything, including an official global mattress and pillow partner Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sushimonster85 Posted May 30, 2022 Share Posted May 30, 2022 8 minutes ago, Geordie Ahmed said: I think Man-U are the best at it, got a strategic sponsor for almost everything, including an official global mattress and pillow partner Man U have an official noodle partner. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Edgar Posted May 30, 2022 Share Posted May 30, 2022 And an official South East Asian tractor. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willow Posted May 30, 2022 Share Posted May 30, 2022 We need an official pastie partner Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfcastle Posted May 30, 2022 Share Posted May 30, 2022 2 hours ago, NE27 said: Still not sure how anyone is determining fair value like. Will they take into account that our sponsors have been unfair value for the club for years? Would be totally unfair basing anything on what mike Ashley's version of nufc has done in the past 10 years as he actively throttled us commercially as a club. I know. Its like if you finish 7th you're only supposed to be able to get the 7th best sponsorship or in that ball park. Meaning everybody stays where everybody is, which is the whole point of the scam. When McEwans sponsored Blackburn they sponsored a middling 2nd division club. What level of sponsorship were they allowed to give - Premier League champions level or middling second tier level. Its absurd. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Spaceman Posted May 30, 2022 Share Posted May 30, 2022 11 minutes ago, Willow said: We need an official pastie partner An official bacon partner, surely Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mansour Posted May 30, 2022 Share Posted May 30, 2022 2 hours ago, TheBrownBottle said: I absolutely take your point - but it’s all relative. Aramco makes average profits of $300m per day - two days profits would completely transform any football club and they wouldn’t blink That’s not to suggest that they’ll throw those sums at us - but if a successful NUFC is part of a wider plan, they won’t blink. These organisations and companies are separate institutions in name only - it all goes into the same pot Football clubs, particularly the successful ones, are barely profitable. A properly run club hardly break-even when it comes to investment. However, investing in football will give you access to an unreachable demographic that is worth your investment. There is a lot to say, but I think the main objective of investing in NUFC is to turn the club into a global brand. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Posted May 30, 2022 Share Posted May 30, 2022 I think Saudi Vision 2030 will play a big part in any decisions, Newcastle playing in a huge state of the art shiny stadium challenging for trophys will be a good profile for international investment as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted May 30, 2022 Share Posted May 30, 2022 9 hours ago, Mansour said: Football clubs, particularly the successful ones, are barely profitable. A properly run club hardly break-even when it comes to investment. However, investing in football will give you access to an unreachable demographic that is worth your investment. There is a lot to say, but I think the main objective of investing in NUFC is to turn the club into a global brand. Absolutely. The whole ‘football is a business’ line doesn’t work to me - even for profitable clubs, the yield is tiny compared to investment and definitely not worth the risk. Almost any other business would be a better investment. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted May 30, 2022 Share Posted May 30, 2022 1 minute ago, veriaqa said: The very definition of..... sportwashing I thought the very definition of sportswashing was to change people's minds ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
veriaqa Posted May 30, 2022 Share Posted May 30, 2022 Ooops sorry my bad Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
macphisto Posted May 31, 2022 Share Posted May 31, 2022 19 hours ago, Mansour said: Football clubs, particularly the successful ones, are barely profitable. A properly run club hardly break-even when it comes to investment. However, investing in football will give you access to an unreachable demographic that is worth your investment. There is a lot to say, but I think the main objective of investing in NUFC is to turn the club into a global brand. I'm sure Newcastle under Ashley was 3rd or 4th most profitable club over the last 10 years. I think I saw it on a Kieran Maguire tweet. I just did a quick search for most profitable PL club but I could only see income Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mansour Posted May 31, 2022 Share Posted May 31, 2022 1 hour ago, macphisto said: I'm sure Newcastle under Ashley was 3rd or 4th most profitable club over the last 10 years. I think I saw it on a Kieran Maguire tweet. I just did a quick search for most profitable PL club but I could only see income that is right for some clubs, but certainly not the successful ones. Ashley was actually taking some of the club revenue, which is crazy. I think staying in the PL will result in about 100m in itself, which is nice for average teams. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
macphisto Posted May 31, 2022 Share Posted May 31, 2022 42 minutes ago, Mansour said: that is right for some clubs, but certainly not the successful ones. Ashley was actually taking some of the club revenue, which is crazy. I think staying in the PL will result in about 100m in itself, which is nice for average teams. And that's not including his free advertising too.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 31, 2022 Share Posted May 31, 2022 Interesting. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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gbandit Posted May 31, 2022 Share Posted May 31, 2022 Quite left field but why not Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
54 Posted May 31, 2022 Share Posted May 31, 2022 Logo is tidy: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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