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The College Dropout

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9 minutes ago, r0cafella said:

The goal for such a venture wouldn’t an immediate increase of pnl it’s about increasing the value of the club as a whole. And yes it’s a gamble but we won’t be “number 1” with our current facilities. 

Agreed. Tron's been defending this lack of action for weeks and I don't understand why. If PIF are as ambitious as they say - we need better facilities.

 

Bottom line is - PIF are seemingly slow to move in general. The general sound is they will invest but will be slow and cautious. 

 

Football is fast-moving though.

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r0cafella

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1 minute ago, The College Dropout said:

Agreed. Tron's been defending this lack of action for weeks and I don't understand why. If PIF are as ambitious as they say - we need better facilities.

 

Bottom line is - PIF are seemingly slow to move in general. The general sound is they will invest but will be slow and cautious. 

 

Football is fast-moving though.

I understand, it’s hard for people to critique the folks the saved us from Ashley. I’m with them on that to an extent. 
 

problem is. It’s the owners that said these things unprompted so as fans it’s up to us to hold them accountable. 

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17 minutes ago, The College Dropout said:

Agreed. Tron's been defending this lack of action for weeks and I don't understand why. If PIF are as ambitious as they say - we need better facilities.

 

Bottom line is - PIF are seemingly slow to move in general. The general sound is they will invest but will be slow and cautious. 

 

Football is fast-moving though.

 

I'm not defending the lack of action. Why wouldn't I want a bigger stadium which is best in class for our club? I'm putting forward reasons as to why it might not have happened (yet). You could address those and maybe I'll agree with you.

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2 hours ago, Pixelphish said:

 

We're such a neutortic fanbase (online at least) I don't think it matters who owns us tbh. We'll always fear the worst.

 

But you just knew, that the old, 'we only want a club that tries' line would grow old fast with expectations, the qualifying for the UCL was great, but overachieving has given a proportion of the fanbase  heightened demands.

 

Some actually think we're a top four club now, some think we're a top six, personally I thought we'd build year on year, bit by bit, I'd put us in the mix with the top eight looking to build season on season, the emergence of Villa and Brighton, Chelsea now finding their feet.

 

Expectation needs to be more realistic, as you say, online the fanbase is as deluded as I can ever remember. 

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4 minutes ago, mighty__mag said:

 

But you just knew, that the old, 'we only want a club that tries' line would grow old fast with expectations, the qualifying for the UCL was great, but overachieving has given a proportion of the fanbase  heightened demands.

 

Some actually think we're a top four club now, some think we're a top six, personally I thought we'd build year on year, bit by bit, I'd put us in the mix with the top eight looking to build season on season, the emergence of Villa and Brighton, Chelsea now finding their feet.

 

Expectation needs to be more realistic, as you say, online the fanbase is as deluded as I can ever remember. 

the club have stated these ambitions year on year now. Saying publicly the goal is European football. That's the top 6 to be safe, usually 7. 8th is possible I think but that's not the clubs aim.

 

You don't bid £65m for a CB to be happy with 8th.

 

I personally disagree with our approach and having numerous £50m+ signings. If you're happy with 8th for this season, you probably try and sell a crown jewel. But seemingly the club have ambitious targets.

 

I take the club at what the owners say/do. Ashley wanted to run a skeleton PL club. In that context staying up midtable was a good result. PIF are talking best-in-class still and the CEO is talking about European football every season. The moves they try in the transfer market align with that. So I'm going to judge them on that curve. I think it's overly aggressive without the right tools. I'd take faster moves on infrastructure and a step backwards to try and be the RB of England or a super up Brighton. Put our money on younger kids and try and build over a couple of seasons.

 

But when you buy your Tonali's and try and get Guehi - you need immediate results.

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1 hour ago, mighty__mag said:

 

But you just knew, that the old, 'we only want a club that tries' line would grow old fast with expectations, the qualifying for the UCL was great, but overachieving has given a proportion of the fanbase  heightened demands.

 

Some actually think we're a top four club now, some think we're a top six, personally I thought we'd build year on year, bit by bit, I'd put us in the mix with the top eight looking to build season on season, the emergence of Villa and Brighton, Chelsea now finding their feet.

 

Expectation needs to be more realistic, as you say, online the fanbase is as deluded as I can ever remember. 

 

Probably not the best idea for the Chairman to spout about being #1 then if you don't want the scrutiny when it looks to be withering away.

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Can't win with you lot 😄 

 

I am happy we are trying to be best we can just like everyone said that all they care about.

 

Sucks if we didn't make it to number one but honestly just happy to enjoy my club again.

 

 

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19 minutes ago, Sima said:

 

Probably not the best idea for the Chairman to spout about being #1 then if you don't want the scrutiny when it looks to be withering away.

 

I think he is talking about being #1 as our ultimate goal. For this season I think Eales has already said European qualification is the marker.

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1 hour ago, The College Dropout said:

Aye but that doesn’t align with being happy to finish 8th either.  

 

I don't think anyone is happy to finish 8th but until PSR restrictions can be sidestepped there's not much we can do about it.

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21 minutes ago, The College Dropout said:

But that’s not what the club thinks.  The club thinks we should finish in Europe this season (and last).  

Would the club have thought last season was better had Man City beat Man Utd in the cup final ? We had exactly the same season either way.

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10 hours ago, madras said:

Would the club have thought last season was better had Man City beat Man Utd in the cup final ? We had exactly the same season either way.

 

Exactly. This is just nit-picking, obviously our aims are general, if we miss Europe by a technicality then it's not going to be judgement day.

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