PIF and RB Sports & Media

[Pixelphish]

Think a handful of people on here who work in Saudi have mentioned they're slow at absolutely everything.

[Pearljam10]

1 hour ago, r0cafella said:

New training ground - delayed. 

New stadium - news in early 2025

Training ground sponsor - ?

Training kit sponsor -?? 

 

Wealthiest owners in the world but they are slow and passive. 

Sleeping giant

[The Prophet]

Don't think the lack of new sponsors is on PIF like.

[arnonel]

27 minutes ago, mattypnufc said:

I mean you can be appreciative of the team and the results/cup etc, but also acknowledge the slowness to get things done. Yes we’ve improved vastly but ultimately them not exploiting every single avenue is a little frustrating.
 

Added to the fact that the team are definitely overachieving due to Eddie Howe and playing above themselves whilst going 3 x windows and not improving the first team is equally as frustrating *know it’s not solely down to the investment* and situations such as the weekend are because of this. 
 

it’s fine to analyse the club as a whole including the above. Yes there’s intricacies involved but to not secure a training/training ground sponsor,

as well as navigate and secure some land for the new training ground is quite baffling, despite how long it takes. 

 

It's OK to criticise parents for buying you 10 PlayStations because they could have got you 15

[mattypnufc]

1 minute ago, arnonel said:

 

It's OK to criticise parents for buying you 10 PlayStations because they could have got you 15

When the funds outside of PSR are such, aye, I mean I’m massively happy but just pointing out some things, as others are saying, could progress a little quicker? Surely nothing wrong in wanting the best for the club. 

[Drewboy74]

30 minutes ago, mattypnufc said:

I mean you can be appreciative of the team and the results/cup etc, but also acknowledge the slowness to get things done. Yes we’ve improved vastly but ultimately them not exploiting every single avenue is a little frustrating.
 

Added to the fact that the team are definitely overachieving due to Eddie Howe and playing above themselves whilst going 3 x windows and not improving the first team is equally as frustrating *know it’s not solely down to the investment* and situations such as the weekend are because of this. 
 

it’s fine to analyse the club as a whole including the above. Yes there’s intricacies involved but to not secure a training/training ground sponsor,

as well as navigate and secure some land for the new training ground is quite baffling, despite how long it 

Clearly waiting on the result of the Man City case. I'm sure at some point the green button will be pressed. 

[Keegans Export]

35 minutes ago, Drewboy74 said:

Clearly waiting on the result of the Man City case. I'm sure at some point the green button will be pressed. 

I've seen this argument made a lot over the past year or so and in my opinion it makes no sense.

 

So we hold off on a potentially lucrative sponsorship deal in the hope that something changes to allow an even more lucrative one? Let's say we miss out on CL football next season. It'll be at least in part due to lack of squad depth and it'll cost us probably £30-40m+ (someone can probably come up with a more accurate figure). That decision to turn down a £10m/year sponsorship in the hopes of it being a £20m/year deal in the future doesn't seem so smart then does it?

 

As far as waiting for the Man City case - if the PSR stuff gets thrown out then it won't matter what deals are signed at the time, the gloves will be off and (if the owners want to) the money will flow uninhibited.

[midds]

Still got no idea why we haven't just done a series of 1 year deals (on everything) while all this gets sorted. Just renew it each June depending on what the rules are, gradually hiking it up year on year while the PL legal bullshit sorts itself out

[Drewboy74]

5 minutes ago, Keegans Export said:

I've seen this argument made a lot over the past year or so and in my opinion it makes no sense.

 

So we hold off on a potentially lucrative sponsorship deal in the hope that something changes to allow an even more lucrative one? Let's say we miss out on CL football next season. It'll be at least in part due to lack of squad depth and it'll cost us probably £30-40m+ (someone can probably come up with a more accurate figure). That decision to turn down a £10m/year sponsorship in the hopes of it being a £20m/year deal in the future doesn't seem so smart then does it?

 

As far as waiting for the Man City case - if the PSR stuff gets thrown out then it won't matter what deals are signed at the time, the gloves will be off and (if the owners want to) the money will flow uninhibited.

I agree. If the APT 2 case goes in favour of City then potentially open season for us.

[Nobody]

5 hours ago, r0cafella said:

New training ground - delayed. 

New stadium - news in early 2025

Training ground sponsor - ?

Training kit sponsor -?? 

 

Wealthiest owners in the world but they are slow and passive. 

Aye, I really wish they would hurry up and deliver something. You know, like a trophy or Champions League football, or something like that. Just something for the fans to grasp on to, to show that we're making progress. Even a world class striker or midfielder would be nice. 

[McDog]

3 minutes ago, Nobody said:

Aye, I really wish they would hurry up and deliver something. You know, like a trophy or Champions League football, or something like that. Just something for the fans to grasp on to, to show that we're making progress. Even a world class striker or midfielder would be nice. 

 

 

Your expectations are unrealistic.


Oh wait.......

 

 

 

[Unbelievable]

I sympathise somewhat with the argument that things related to stadium and training ground appear to be moving a bit slowly (even realising if in the real world these things always take a lot of time), but the underlying expectation behind all these sponsor/PSR related frustrations is that our owners, or indeed any owners of our club, should be willing to spend unlimited amounts of their own money to help us compete with the likes of Liverpool and Man City asap. Why exactly is this? Is this a PIF specific thing? Would the same expectation have been heaped upon any owner following the dire Ashley reign? Me, I'm just happy that we have owners who seem passionate about the club, appear to have an above level of intelligence and are wiling to invest in the club to help it grow into meeting their amibitious targets. I think it's perfectly sensible that they try to not fully turbo-charge our growth path the way the PSG owners have done, but rather look for sponsorship opporunities outside of their own business portfolio too. Ultimately this club should be able to compete at the top in a more or less self sustaining manner so it can benefit long term and not just fall apart when these owners move on. Besides, they are still overachieving on their own targets in most if not all areas, so why do people feel they owe us any more than the brilliant support and direction they're already giving us..?

[wfmk2]

5 hours ago, Pixelphish said:

Think a handful of people on here who work in Saudi have mentioned they're slow at absolutely everything.

I do a lot of work in Saudi and fully agree, but have to add that if they really want something, they want it done in unrealistic timeframes, ie yesterday. An incredibly frustrating place to do business, especially when it comes to invoices being settled, regardless of the size/liquidity of the organisation. 

[r0cafella]

6 hours ago, Andy84 said:

Can tell we’ve lost a game 

This has nothing to do with it. I've been keeping track of those 4 factors for long time. My post was actually triggered by the further delay to the new training ground which is inexplicable imo. 

 

3 years to find a piece of grass is hilarious. 

[r0cafella]

 

 

2 hours ago, Nobody said:

Aye, I really wish they would hurry up and deliver something. You know, like a trophy or Champions League football, or something like that. Just something for the fans to grasp on to, to show that we're making progress. Even a world class striker or midfielder would be nice. 

What's your point? 

 

I'm talking about fine margins. Our inaction particularly around sponsorships is one of the reasons why we have a thin squad which can't play 3 times in a week. 

 

If you think they aren't slow on these matters or couldn't do more that's total fine though. 

[Rod]

33 minutes ago, r0cafella said:

 

 

What's your point? 

 

I'm talking about fine margins. Our inaction particularly around sponsorships is one of the reasons why we have a thin squad which can't play 3 times in a week. 

 

If you think they aren't slow on these matters or couldn't do more that's total fine though. 

His point is ........ actually we have made great progress.

[r0cafella]

4 minutes ago, Rod said:

His point is ........ actually we have made great progress.

We have absolutely, we could be doing more. 

The items I've listed have been on the agenda for a long time things our rivals are doing which we aren't and it's putting us at a disadvantage. 

[TheBrownBottle]

13 hours ago, Keegans Export said:

I've seen this argument made a lot over the past year or so and in my opinion it makes no sense.

 

So we hold off on a potentially lucrative sponsorship deal in the hope that something changes to allow an even more lucrative one? Let's say we miss out on CL football next season. It'll be at least in part due to lack of squad depth and it'll cost us probably £30-40m+ (someone can probably come up with a more accurate figure). That decision to turn down a £10m/year sponsorship in the hopes of it being a £20m/year deal in the future doesn't seem so smart then does it?

 

As far as waiting for the Man City case - if the PSR stuff gets thrown out then it won't matter what deals are signed at the time, the gloves will be off and (if the owners want to) the money will flow uninhibited.

 

13 hours ago, midds said:

Still got no idea why we haven't just done a series of 1 year deals (on everything) while all this gets sorted. Just renew it each June depending on what the rules are, gradually hiking it up year on year while the PL legal bullshit sorts itself out

Just to add - they could actually have got their ‘related party’ sponsorships inflated initially, rejected by the PL, then agreed at a lower price, knowing that if Man City succeed then they could backdate and potentially take action against the PL

 

We shouldn’t be surprised as others have mentioned, KSA is like any other dictatorship; inefficient, slow and not particularly good at paying the bills on time

[JT24]

1 minute ago, TheBrownBottle said:

 

Just to add - they could actually have got their ‘related party’ sponsorships inflated initially, rejected by the PL, then agreed at a lower price, knowing that if Man City succeed then they could backdate and potentially take action against the PL

 

We shouldn’t be surprised as others have mentioned, KSA is like any other dictatorship; inefficient, slow and not particularly good at paying the bills on time

Just what you need when running a football club. 

[TheBrownBottle]

54 minutes ago, JT24 said:

Just what you need when running a football club. 

True  

[HayDen Traces]

Havent we grown more than 30% every year so far under their ownership? I really don't get the criticism. I believe its the "I want everything now" culture slipping in

[Newcastle Fan]

19 hours ago, r0cafella said:

New training ground - delayed. 

New stadium - news in early 2025

Training ground sponsor - ?

Training kit sponsor -?? 

 

Wealthiest owners in the world but they are slow and passive. 

 

You do realize these are hundreds of millions in decisions and even an entity like PIF needs time for these things to go through? they've already made unbelievable progress with the club on all aspects in a relatively short space of time, can't think of any other owners than turned a relegation threatened side to a champions league/cup winning side in that short space of time, and if we do make Champions League this year i expect big progress as well in their plans.

 

 

[wyn davies]

18 hours ago, Pixelphish said:

Think a handful of people on here who work in Saudi have mentioned they're slow at absolutely everything.

They're careful , look at all the angles and try to ware down the opposition where they invest, they're not daft, deffo not impulse buyers, unlike myself.

[r0cafella]

4 minutes ago, Newcastle Fan said:

 

You do realize these are hundreds of millions in decisions and even an entity like PIF needs time for these things to go through? they've already made unbelievable progress with the club on all aspects in a relatively short space of time, can't think of any other owners than turned a relegation threatened side to a champions league/cup winning side in that short space of time, and if we do make Champions League this year i expect big progress as well in their plans.

 

 

Of course I realise that, they also have a multitude of employees to do the job. 

 

Let's not forget here, I'm just holding them to account for what they've stated.  

[Charlies]

35 minutes ago, wyn davies said:

They're careful , look at all the angles and try to ware down the opposition where they invest, they're not daft, deffo not impulse buyers, unlike myself.

👍 I’ve done a lot of work with aramco inspectors/engineers and they are  ruthless like. Moneys no barrier but everything has to be top spec.