PIF and RB Sports & Media

[r0cafella]

1 minute ago, Harry 209 said:

You're taking that 50% thing on face value from what someone on here said though.

At the end of the day that figure has come from someone who says he is connected to a company that were negotiating a sponsorship deal with NUFC - thats not too far off "my mates cousins sister knows someone who knows someone who works in the canteen" type talk.

Fair enough, yes I am. Last I checked we still haven't announced a new sponsor though. 

 

Obviously if we do and it's more than our current deal then I will be happily wrong, can only work with the information I have. Maybe you have some you would like to share so I can reassess?

[Harry 209]

Just now, r0cafella said:

Fair enough, yes I am. Last I checked we still haven't announced a new sponsor though. 

 

Obviously if we do and it's more than our current deal then I will be happily wrong, can only work with the information I have. Maybe you have some you would like to share so I can reassess?

Not at all. And you might well be right but I'll make my mind up when the facts emerge. 

[TRon]

19 minutes ago, JT24 said:

I stand with @r0cafella. Fuck PIF. 

 

 

I don't think he's saying that, just voicing concerns. Your stance was fuck PIF when they took over I imagine.

[r0cafella]

Just now, TRon said:

 

 

I don't think he's saying that, just voicing concerns. Your stance was fuck PIF when they took over I imagine.

Naa at @JT24 would be fully behind them if they fixed the website and actually did content like other clubs

[The College Dropout]

2 hours ago, brummie said:

it really isn’t, it’s a lots of ifs and buts and doomsday scenarios - the downside of having a world class coach is that he might leave? I’d suggest even that scenario works for us as Emery has coached highest level clubs before and it didn’t work out - mostly because to really do the best, he needs total control and absolute faith. Two things he won’t get at clubs like that. 
 

The fact is we’ve won a European trophy whilst finishing 4th and with almost the lowest net spend in the league and having to battle with unreasonable PSR. 
 

If that’s in some way foreboding then I don’t know how anyone is supposed to just enjoy football. 

We do need to reduce the average age of the squad and Monchi spent some money which didn’t work out (especially last summer and is gone as a result) 

 

Also worth noting though - sign Jhon Duran for 15m, get great things out of him but realise he’s a nutter so sell him shortly after and bank 50m profit and then watch him go on to deteriorate. 
 

Sign Rogers for 14m. How much is he worth now? And he’s basically had half a good season at best. 
 

We have exactly the same problem as you have had - owners with plenty of money and desire to spend it but hamstrung by a shit system designed to make it impossible to progress. I’m struggling to see how we could be in a better position right now given all the obstacles. 

I literally said it was a doomsday scenario and further success is more likely.  And that you have owners willing to push themselves to succeed which is key.  
 

But the age of the squad is a problem.  And Emery seemingly prefers it that way which is a concern.  
 

You do need to sign players and develop them. Emery doesn’t seem overly keen on this.  

I’ve been very Imoressed with how Villa have gone about things from coaching to the FFP workarounds. It’s the squad age and continued direction is the only concern.  

[bobbydazzla]

17 minutes ago, r0cafella said:

Fair enough, yes I am. Last I checked we still haven't announced a new sponsor though. 

 

Obviously if we do and it's more than our current deal then I will be happily wrong, can only work with the information I have. Maybe you have some you would like to share so I can reassess?

I’ve got a connection in the adult entertainment industry who says we’re signing a 10 year deal with Sven Adult Books as front of shirt sponsor and they’re paying us £100m a season base rate with add ons if we get into the Champions League or win a trophy. 

[Stifler]

13 minutes ago, bobbydazzla said:

I’ve got a connection in the adult entertainment industry who says we’re signing a 10 year deal with Sven Adult Books as front of shirt sponsor and they’re paying us £100m a season base rate with add ons if we get into the Champions League or win a trophy. 

The whole of the North East must be going through about 10 dildo’s a week for Sven to be able to pay us that.

[bobbydazzla]

Just now, Stifler said:

The whole of the North East must be going through about 10 dildo’s a week for Sven to be able to pay us that.

Holes of the North East 

[GeordieT]

26 minutes ago, Harry 209 said:

You're taking that 50% thing on face value from what someone on here said though.

At the end of the day that figure has come from someone who says he is connected to a company that were negotiating a sponsorship deal with NUFC - thats not too far off "my mates cousins sister knows someone who knows someone who works in the canteen" type talk.

I mean, you can believe me or not - won’t lose any sleep either way. Largely a casual reader of the forum, not on social trying to build a following or get some kudos, nothing to gain - far much more to lose - hence the intentional vagueness. But if you look back at the last half dozen posts on this over the last 3-4 years [including in March that they had no sponsor and were scrambling] from me on this they’ve all been correct. It’s a very limited and rather dull subset of information. Not proclaiming to know how we will spend the Gordon monies 😂

 

 

[AyeDubbleYoo]

38 minutes ago, Harry 209 said:

Not at all. And you might well be right but I'll make my mind up when the facts emerge. 

 

Careful now

[Abacus]

59 minutes ago, AyeDubbleYoo said:

 

Yeah, I asked this yesterday, not sure what's going on. Possibly budgets at big companies are being squeezed and they're less willing to drop multi millions on sponsorship deals, not sure. 

 

A lot of companies will be belt tightening with sponsorship often being one of the first things to go.

 

I was thinking as well that European football should be a huge benefit to sponsorships. Saying that, with the expansion of the competitions (almost half our league being in some form of Europe) whether that starts to dilute it's value.

 

Already, I hardly watch most of the many games and skipped most of both the Europa and Conference league, including the final of the latter one. But I've no idea what the general audience figures are for these and whether they are going up or down per game, admittedly.

[RobsonsWonderland]

33 minutes ago, The College Dropout said:

I literally said it was a doomsday scenario and further success is more likely.  And that you have owners willing to push themselves to succeed which is key.  
 

But the age of the squad is a problem.  And Emery seemingly prefers it that way which is a concern.  
 

You do need to sign players and develop them. Emery doesn’t seem overly keen on this.  

I’ve been very Imoressed with how Villa have gone about things from coaching to the FFP workarounds. It’s the squad age and continued direction is the only concern.  

I see no difference in the two clubs if I am honest except timing and sales opportunities.

 

The Grealish sale built your squad base and the opportunity to sell players to Saudi for inflated fees was something we were not allowed to do.

 

Yes we have sold Isak and Gordon now but in my head we are two years behind where you are with regards to squad depth and moving players on.

 

People say move Willock, Murphy etc but these were buys pre Howe and the underlying reason is because nobody else wants them for any decent fees.

 

A couple of more years selling high and buying potential may get us there but I can see both teams flip flopping around the the top 6.

 

And if we are honest it helps that the big 6 have been so poor the last couple of seasons or it would have been more difficult for villa.

[Viana]

3 hours ago, brummie said:

it really isn’t, it’s a lots of ifs and buts and doomsday scenarios - the downside of having a world class coach is that he might leave? I’d suggest even that scenario works for us as Emery has coached highest level clubs before and it didn’t work out - mostly because to really do the best, he needs total control and absolute faith. Two things he won’t get at clubs like that. 
 

The fact is we’ve won a European trophy whilst finishing 4th and with almost the lowest net spend in the league and having to battle with unreasonable PSR. 
 

If that’s in some way foreboding then I don’t know how anyone is supposed to just enjoy football. 

We do need to reduce the average age of the squad and Monchi spent some money which didn’t work out (especially last summer and is gone as a result) 

 

Also worth noting though - sign Jhon Duran for 15m, get great things out of him but realise he’s a nutter so sell him shortly after and bank 50m profit and then watch him go on to deteriorate. 
 

Sign Rogers for 14m. How much is he worth now? And he’s basically had half a good season at best. 
 

We have exactly the same problem as you have had - owners with plenty of money and desire to spend it but hamstrung by a shit system designed to make it impossible to progress. I’m struggling to see how we could be in a better position right now given all the obstacles. 

But I think that's kind of the point, no? 

 

You've had a great season, but there's a lot ifs and buts surrounding the team from a recruitment POV. You hope you strike it right with two or three Rogers-esque signings, but perhaps a bit like us after last summer, due to PSR, things have been tricky.

[JT24]

1 hour ago, r0cafella said:

Naa at @JT24 would be fully behind them if they fixed the website and actually did content like other clubs

just one of my many issues with them. 

[kingxlnc]

What about that Pizza guy who worked at Asda who predicted Minteh and a couple of others? Wasn't he ITK of sorts? 

[Interpolic]

I really couldn't care less about this "we want to be number 1" thing. It sounds like something a child would say and I'm happy to treat it as such. Certainly not holding them to it over every little development at the club. 

 

Twice under Ashley our goal was to be #1 in the Championship. What we've seen since are our relative glory years and I'm not personally wasting them twisting, worrying and moaning about everything. 

 

The sponsorship stuff sounds a slight concern, not ideal but then you'd have said the same or worse about the training ground or stadium a month or 2 back before some news trickled out. 

 

PIF seem to operate slowly, talk a load of bollocks and that's before we get started on the horrible human rights issues etc. 

 

But as a fan all I longed for under Ashley was a club operating to improve itself, spending what it could on transfers and wages to make it as sportingly competitive as it could be.

 

We've had that so far and then some. "Fuck PIF" when the previous 14 years we were a zombie club, howay man. 

[sushimonster85]

2 minutes ago, Interpolic said:

 

We've had that so far and then some. "Fuck PIF" when the previous 14 years we were a zombie club, howay man. 

 

This. It can be easy to see just how much the floor has been raised when you have people calling this season the worst they've seen. Less so in here, but see plenty of that in the dredges of X. Pardew's flukey 5th aside, this was still a better PL season than anything under Ashley. 

[bobbydazzla]

19 minutes ago, kingxlnc said:

What about that Pizza guy who worked at Asda who predicted Minteh and a couple of others? Wasn't he ITK of sorts? 

I’ve been a genuine ITK on a few occasions.

 

I knew we’d signed with Adidas. 

I knew Trippier was having trouble at home and his family were leaving the NE

 

I knew Alan Smith and a couple of others in that era were signing. 

 

I was tipped off that Keegan was definitely coming back for a 2nd stint. 

 

You can be ITK via a range of sauces, it just depends on how much you use previous ITK successes as a way to justify your future ITK claims.

[Dr Venkman]

10 minutes ago, Interpolic said:

I really couldn't care less about this "we want to be number 1" thing. It sounds like something a child would say and I'm happy to treat it as such. Certainly not holding them to it over every little development at the club. 

 

Twice under Ashley our goal was to be #1 in the Championship. What we've seen since are our relative glory years and I'm not personally wasting them twisting, worrying and moaning about everything. 

 

The sponsorship stuff sounds a slight concern, not ideal but then you'd have said the same or worse about the training ground or stadium a month or 2 back before some news trickled out. 

 

PIF seem to operate slowly, talk a load of bollocks and that's before we get started on the horrible human rights issues etc. 

 

But as a fan all I longed for under Ashley was a club operating to improve itself, spending what it could on transfers and wages to make it as sportingly competitive as it could be.

 

We've had that so far and then some. "Fuck PIF" when the previous 14 years we were a zombie club, howay man. 

[KetsbaiaIsBald]

11 minutes ago, Interpolic said:

I really couldn't care less about this "we want to be number 1" thing.

Me neither.  You have to think who is the target for the message?  The fans?  Maybe.  The players?  I would guess more likely.  There is noise that they dont consider us "elite", that the project is going stale etc.  They need to hear this sort of thing more than the fans to be honest.

[TRon]

21 minutes ago, Interpolic said:

I really couldn't care less about this "we want to be number 1" thing. It sounds like something a child would say and I'm happy to treat it as such. Certainly not holding them to it over every little development at the club. 

 

Twice under Ashley our goal was to be #1 in the Championship. What we've seen since are our relative glory years and I'm not personally wasting them twisting, worrying and moaning about everything. 

 

The sponsorship stuff sounds a slight concern, not ideal but then you'd have said the same or worse about the training ground or stadium a month or 2 back before some news trickled out. 

 

PIF seem to operate slowly, talk a load of bollocks and that's before we get started on the horrible human rights issues etc. 

 

But as a fan all I longed for under Ashley was a club operating to improve itself, spending what it could on transfers and wages to make it as sportingly competitive as it could be.

 

We've had that so far and then some. "Fuck PIF" when the previous 14 years we were a zombie club, howay man. 

 

 

The "FUCK PIF" brigade tend to stop there as well. I mean that's all well and good, but once they are fucked, who takes over?

 

 

[Superbmac]

5 hours ago, brummie said:

it really isn’t, it’s a lots of ifs and buts and doomsday scenarios - the downside of having a world class coach is that he might leave? I’d suggest even that scenario works for us as Emery has coached highest level clubs before and it didn’t work out - mostly because to really do the best, he needs total control and absolute faith. Two things he won’t get at clubs like that. 
 

The fact is we’ve won a European trophy whilst finishing 4th and with almost the lowest net spend in the league and having to battle with unreasonable PSR. 
 

If that’s in some way foreboding then I don’t know how anyone is supposed to just enjoy football. 

We do need to reduce the average age of the squad and Monchi spent some money which didn’t work out (especially last summer and is gone as a result) 

 

Also worth noting though - sign Jhon Duran for 15m, get great things out of him but realise he’s a nutter so sell him shortly after and bank 50m profit and then watch him go on to deteriorate. 
 

Sign Rogers for 14m. How much is he worth now? And he’s basically had half a good season at best. 
 

We have exactly the same problem as you have had - owners with plenty of money and desire to spend it but hamstrung by a shit system designed to make it impossible to progress. I’m struggling to see how we could be in a better position right now given all the obstacles. 

I won’t lie, I’d swap places with your situation. We really blew our momentum.

[GEFAFWISP]

I hope PIF fuck right off out of our club irrespective of how comes next and of course it's nothing to do with the current running of the club or their seeming spend versus inaction debate.

[timeEd32]

6 hours ago, KaKa said:

 

Wouldn't this just be because no company would be keen on just a one year deal, and so it would come at a reduced rate?

 

But from Newcastle's point of view they'd rather just get some money in for a year, and then look at something more long term next year, when they're anticipating the club being in a stronger position, hopefully back in Europe, having sorted out all the mess from last summer that resulted in a mid table finish and no European football, which isn't allowing them to attract the kind of long term deals they're after?

 

Something like a multi-year shirt sponsorship isn't based on this. Those deals take months (if not years), so at the time of discussions we were a club playing in the Champions League having been in it 2 out of 3 years and recently won a trophy at Wembley. A bad season shouldn't derail everything when there are plenty of positives to talk about.

 

The better argument would be that a new CEO came in, got rid of our commercial leader, and it's going to take a bit of time to get this going (and the Knox deal is good). The counter to that would be that, in theory, the single biggest benefit of this new CEO is his big time connections. Round and round we go.

 

Anyway, hopefully we get one more year of Sela so we can get something big done.

[timeEd32]

26 minutes ago, Superbmac said:

I won’t lie, I’d swap places with your situation. We really blew our momentum.

 

We haven't. Everyone needs to zoom out a little. A year ago there were multiple people making comments that we had now surpassed Tottenham and Man United, which was frankly ridiculous given their financial advantages. Spurs, hilariously, got even worse but Man United's summer pull over us and good season showed 1) how far there is still to go; 2) how quickly things change. You can't judge the progress of football clubs on single season tables.