Fak Posted April 27 Share Posted April 27 2 minutes ago, Stifler said: Am I? I don’t think one club at our level has been improved by yank owners. Throwing Wrexham into is moving the goalposts as a non-league club and a Premier League team we’re not comparable. "The yanks don’t make clubs better or competitive" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shearergol Posted April 27 Share Posted April 27 17 minutes ago, Stifler said: There is a difference between taking a non-league club up the leagues, and making them competitive at the highest levels. Any multi-millionaire or billionaire could have done that if they wished. Chelsea are worse off since their takeover, Man Utd are, Arsenal haven’t won a title under their owners. People cite Liverpool, but look at the platform they had. No American has taken a club to compete at the top of English football, the vast majority have been to stabilise them in the league, or they have started off with a great platform like Liverpool. Basically they wouldn’t improve us, if people are having a go at not getting a new training ground and stadium now, you can kiss goodbye to it happening with Americans coming in. Staveley has been in the news recently about buying a club, shifting her attention to either West Ham or possibly us. I’d be all for her coming back, once the Saudi’s have given us the new training ground and stadium though. You should write her a letter mate Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stifler Posted April 27 Share Posted April 27 4 minutes ago, Fak said: "The yanks don’t make clubs better or competitive" Yeah, surely the level we compete at is implied. It’s like saying our team is shit, but coming back and saying their’s 72 worse teams in the league system alone. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fak Posted April 27 Share Posted April 27 3 minutes ago, Stifler said: Yeah, surely the level we compete at is implied. It’s like saying our team is shit, but coming back and saying their’s 72 worse teams in the league system alone. Crystal Palace won their first ever trophy under American owners. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stifler Posted April 27 Share Posted April 27 7 minutes ago, Fak said: Crystal Palace won their first ever trophy under American owners. Then promptly sold some of their best players, and are going into this summer losing their manager because he’s anticipating them selling the remaining good players. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fak Posted April 27 Share Posted April 27 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Stifler said: Then promptly sold some of their best players, and are going into this summer losing their manager because he’s anticipating them selling the remaining good players. So is winning a trophy not making them better and competitive? Edited April 27 by Fak Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingxlnc Posted April 27 Share Posted April 27 I also disagree that PIF have hired bad custodians - Ashworth and Mitchell were genuinely considered best in class and we were excited about their appointments. Eales too had very good pedigree and it made a lot of sense given what he had done in Atlanta. Hopkinson has got a great CV also. They haven't been around for long enough has been the issue for varying reasons. Even the likes of Suds and Bunce are very highly rated. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stifler Posted April 27 Share Posted April 27 2 minutes ago, Fak said: So is winning a trophy not making them better and competitive? They fluked a trophy. In 5 years time do you see Crystal Palace as a major contender for trophies or Europe? Do you think Crystal Palace’s owners when they leave will have them in a position where they are considerably higher in the league. In my opinion, they are waiting out for the direct to consumer TV model to come around which will massively inflate TV revenue and clubs revenue and valuation, before selling up. Lastly, much of the running of their club has been done by Steve Parish. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hudson Posted April 27 Share Posted April 27 7 minutes ago, Fak said: So is winning a trophy not making them better and competitive? Dunno, ask a Leicester. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danh1 Posted April 27 Share Posted April 27 4 minutes ago, kingxlnc said: I also disagree that PIF have hired bad custodians - Ashworth and Mitchell were genuinely considered best in class and we were excited about their appointments. Eales too had very good pedigree and it made a lot of sense given what he had done in Atlanta. Hopkinson has got a great CV also. They haven't been around for long enough has been the issue for varying reasons. Even the likes of Suds and Bunce are very highly rated. Fair point, they have hired highly regarded people. One of my concerns is that they seemingly don’t empower people enough. Would be interested to know how much say Hopkinson has over big projects and whether or not he had to run everything by people in Saudi. This is one of the worries I have should we elect to change manager in the summer. How quick would a replacement come? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbydazzla Posted April 27 Share Posted April 27 25 minutes ago, Stifler said: Yeah, surely the level we compete at is implied. It’s like saying our team is shit, but coming back and saying their’s 72 worse teams in the league system alone. There’s 72 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fak Posted April 27 Share Posted April 27 4 minutes ago, Hudson said: Dunno, ask a Leicester. Irrelevant. Not American owned. Stiflers rules not mine. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hudson Posted April 27 Share Posted April 27 2 minutes ago, Fak said: Irrelevant. Not American owned. Stiflers rules not mine. Don’t be a silly billy. 😂 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fak Posted April 27 Share Posted April 27 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Stifler said: They fluked a trophy. How was it fluked? 10 minutes ago, Stifler said: In 5 years time do you see Crystal Palace as a major contender for trophies or Europe? They're 2 games away from another final. What's this got to do with it anyway? You just said that American owners don't make clubs better or competitive. You never said American owners don't make clubs contenders for Europe. Goalposts being moved again. 10 minutes ago, Stifler said: Lastly, much of the running of their club has been done by Steve Parish. The running yes. But American owned. Edited April 27 by Fak Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stifler Posted April 27 Share Posted April 27 We aren’t going to agree here, so I’ll agree to disagree but you clearly are omitting context that didn’t really need to be stated for the purpose of an argument for arguments sake. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
duo Posted April 27 Share Posted April 27 Would keeping Eddie signal a lack of a statement of intent from PIF? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted April 27 Share Posted April 27 Saw Scott Wilson having coffee with a mystery Italian man this afternoon, listened in but it didn't seem a key conversation. Talked about some young players, how strange the PL has been this season, I think he was expecting lots of activity in the market if I heard right. Was preparing for the summit meeting this week by the sound of it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
leffe186 Posted April 28 Share Posted April 28 (edited) 12 hours ago, Stifler said: Am I? I don’t think one club at our level has been improved by yank owners. Throwing Wrexham into is moving the goalposts as a non-league club and a Premier League team we’re not comparable. 16 hours ago, TK-421 said: Looks like Preston North End are going to combine the two. Seems like they may be about to be bought by Amr Zedan, a US-born Saudi businessman who "is a key player in the Saudi Vision 2030." Edited April 28 by leffe186 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheInfiniteOdyssey Posted April 28 Share Posted April 28 Most AI-looking journo I've seen. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted April 28 Share Posted April 28 12 hours ago, kingxlnc said: I also disagree that PIF have hired bad custodians - Ashworth and Mitchell were genuinely considered best in class and we were excited about their appointments. Eales too had very good pedigree and it made a lot of sense given what he had done in Atlanta. Hopkinson has got a great CV also. They haven't been around for long enough has been the issue for varying reasons. Even the likes of Suds and Bunce are very highly rated. Is Ross Wilson considered best in class? I have real concerns there because I've not seen that much which would suggest it, but he does seem to have met Howe's approval. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted April 28 Share Posted April 28 6 minutes ago, TRon said: Is Ross Wilson considered best in class? I have real concerns there because I've not seen that much which would suggest it, but he does seem to have met Howe's approval. Depends what you mean by best in class. He hasn't worked for Barca or Madrid. Is there a particular level that would satisfy you? He's a professional at his current role, which is more than the club has really had for a generation. The relationship with Howe is also massively overblown to imply that he was chosen to keep Howe happy. They had never worked together before, they just spoke before the appointment was made to make sure that they would be able to work together positively. Very sensible step which will hopefully avoid what happened with Mitchell. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted April 28 Share Posted April 28 10 minutes ago, AyeDubbleYoo said: Depends what you mean by best in class. He hasn't worked for Barca or Madrid. Is there a particular level that would satisfy you? He's a professional at his current role, which is more than the club has really had for a generation. The relationship with Howe is also massively overblown to imply that he was chosen to keep Howe happy. They had never worked together before, they just spoke before the appointment was made to make sure that they would be able to work together positively. Very sensible step which will hopefully avoid what happened with Mitchell. Howe is on record saying he has known Wilson for several years. That doesn't mean Wilson isn't good at his job, but it does make me wonder if Wilson would be ruthless if he needed to be when it comes to Howe. As for his credentials, he seems to have got a bad rep at Rangers, and turned it round somewhat at Forest. Other than that I'm not sure what his pedigree is. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sushimonster85 Posted April 28 Share Posted April 28 2 minutes ago, TRon said: That doesn't mean Wilson isn't good at his job, but it does make me wonder if Wilson would be ruthless if he needed to be when it comes to Howe. I think we've seen at most clubs, whilst the manager firing/hiring should be under the authority of the Sporting Director, it often ends up being a call made above their head. For better or worse. If the Saudi's want to sack Howe, he will be gone. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted April 28 Share Posted April 28 1 minute ago, sushimonster85 said: I think we've seen at most clubs, whilst the manager firing/hiring should be under the authority of the Sporting Director, it often ends up being a call made above their head. For better or worse. If the Saudi's want to sack Howe, he will be gone. I'm not sure how much the Saudis actually know about football though. So you would think they would take advice from whoever they've appointed to make such judgement calls. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted April 28 Share Posted April 28 13 hours ago, The Bonk said: PIF can be criticized, but I'm more curious who you think isn't pulling their weight? Nobody has answered this. It's interesting some people think the Owners job is to simly hire people and fund transfers. Owners are the most impactful people in football. Ours being cautious, distant and slow decision makers has a huge impact on the clubs ability to hit the stated ambitions of the Owner. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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