The "delighted Ashley has gone, but uncomfortable with Saudi ownership" thread

[Whitley mag]

3 minutes ago, ohmelads said:

 

I do worry about the Saudis with regards to the club's future. They're buying players off rival Premier League clubs at inflated prices, which isn't in our best interests at all. That's a massive red flag. We also have very powerful enemies, not because of the Saudis but because of the perceived threat in the league. You could argue there's no other way to challenge the established elite, but we haven't exactly crept up on them and the way it's happened has forced them to close ranks and try to set up more barriers. We are in a strong position but also a precarious position, because we don't know what our owners are doing and they're so rich that they could write off a loss and ditch us very quickly. No one would have any sympathy and the league would be under pressure to leave us to suffer the consequences.

I think his excellency made it quite clear we want to be number 1.

[KaKa]

25 minutes ago, Hovagod said:

They’re using the club as and when they see fit. They’re using the ground to host a friendly that is part of their obvious and ongoing sportswashing project.

 

I mean, we can get as teary eyed as we like at the Robson quote, but we are happily letting the club being used for the purposes of bolstering the Saudi regime.

 

You might not care, you might care but have opted to accept it (I suppose I’m in this camp, and it was a stance I was attacked for when it was Mike Ashley who owned them), but you can’t say they’re not doing something that they are blatantly doing. I honestly think that an official announcement on this game will be a dark day for Newcastle United. It’s a confirmation of a strategy that we are going to be unable to distract ourselves from for much longer- no matter how many wor flag displays or Sam Fender wearing toon shirts at his gigs. 

 

 

 

To be honest I think it's just a matter of time now before you'll have your club back, and all these middle east owners leave, because they are going to build up their own leagues and more top players are going to head over there from much earlier on in their careers.

 

The world worships money and they have a ton of it. They are eventually going to takeover the game completely.

 

Between the increasing issues with their ownership and the increasing issues clubs in Europe have with accommodating players from different backgrounds, I think a lot of players, particularly players from Africa and South America are going to head out there initially, and soon many more will follow.

[Hank Marvin]

Pffft lot of nonsense on here.

 

I love the new away kit. The owners obviously took inspiration from the colour of the Tyne bridge and have invited their friends over to see it in a kickabout.

 

 

Eyes on the prize boys.

[El Prontonise]

1 hour ago, Wandy said:

 

I'm sorry, but you are in denial. Yeah, people celebrated the departure of Ashley. But more significantly, they celebrated the arrival of vast wealth. 

 

Demand for tickets is high because of what the Saudis are (hopefully) going to do for the club. It's also delusional to suggest that any owner could deliver the club & stadium infrastructure that the Saudis have planned.

 

Yes, Ashley could probably have delivered a similar season to the one we have just had. He could not have provided what is to come under the Saudis though. THAT is why people celebrated in 2021, and that is why the majority of the fanbase don't give a monkeys about the ownership either.

 

I didn't celebrate the arrival of new wealth.

[Collage]

The main issue is that football is fucked. Saudi ownership of NUFC has just made it more personal for me. I don’t enjoy football as I used to, party because I’m getting old but mostly because, well, it’s fucked. If I could push a button and destroy ”the system”, I would. Would be a shame because I love Howe and the team, but I absolutely would.

[TRon]

3 hours ago, Wandy said:

 

I'm sorry, but you are in denial. Yeah, people celebrated the departure of Ashley. But more significantly, they celebrated the arrival of vast wealth. 

 

Demand for tickets is high because of what the Saudis are (hopefully) going to do for the club. It's also delusional to suggest that any owner could deliver the club & stadium infrastructure that the Saudis have planned.

 

Yes, Ashley could probably have delivered a similar season to the one we have just had. He could not have provided what is to come under the Saudis though. THAT is why people celebrated in 2021, and that is why the majority of the fanbase don't give a monkeys about the ownership either.

 

Some won't like it, but deep down they must know that is true. It is going to be hard enough to break the hold of the Hallowed Six even with the Saudis desire to be top dog. Does anyone seriously think an American investment firm like Liverpool or Man U's owners would go that extra mile?

 

 

[TheBrownBottle]

4 hours ago, mondonewc said:

This! 

No desire to defend the indefensible, but many people are sadly heavily influenced by Western media, and much of that media is extremely hypocritical and ignores many of the despicable things done by governments and countries in the West, including our own. 

Except you can criticise because you’re a human being who cares about what happens to other human beings.  Empathy and all that.

 

The ignorance of many is truly fucking frightening to me.  ‘KSA is no worse than anywhere else’.  There’s an easy test for this - go out onto the streets of London and start a protest against the government.  Then do the same in Riyadh.  I’d say come back and let me know the results, but the second one would see you executed. 

[TheBrownBottle]

5 hours ago, Stifler said:

People only say this because it’s the Middle East countries who own football clubs.

If the U.K. government bought Man Utd, other than non-Man Utd fans, there would be no debate really.

You really think that the only people in the UK who’d have a problem with the govt buying a football club with £6bn of public money would be ‘other non Man U football fans’?

 

It would be everyone - including a good chunk of Man Utd fans.  It’s two-thirds of what the govt spends on housing, and there is a housing crisis.  ‘British govt buys Man Utd - nothing to see here’ is unlikely to be the headline nor the reaction. 

[TheBrownBottle]

3 hours ago, KaKa said:

 

To be honest I think it's just a matter of time now before you'll have your club back, and all these middle east owners leave, because they are going to build up their own leagues and more top players are going to head over there from much earlier on in their careers.

 

The world worships money and they have a ton of it. They are eventually going to takeover the game completely.

 

Between the increasing issues with their ownership and the increasing issues clubs in Europe have with accommodating players from different backgrounds, I think a lot of players, particularly players from Africa and South America are going to head out there initially, and soon many more will follow.

I’m ok with that, tbf.  I don’t follow Newcastle because of the players who play - it’s because I’m from Newcastle.  I was there watching football in the old second division which was unimaginably poor compared to what you’ll see today. Football is tribal; it isn’t about quality. 

[KaKa]

27 minutes ago, TheBrownBottle said:

I’m ok with that, tbf.  I don’t follow Newcastle because of the players who play - it’s because I’m from Newcastle.  I was there watching football in the old second division which was unimaginably poor compared to what you’ll see today. Football is tribal; it isn’t about quality. 

 

Yeah, I think it's probably for the best for English football as I think most of you feel this way. It's part of the reason I don't think black players should play for England because I think deep down you guys don't really want it, but just aren't being honest about that.

 

I think things are getting so divisive now we'll eventually see most players of African origin in the Saudi/Middle Eastern leagues leagues and Europe will go back to having mostly Caucasian players.

[TheBrownBottle]

1 minute ago, KaKa said:

 

Yeah, I think it's probably for the best for English football as I think most of you feel this way. It's part of the reason I don't think black players should play for England because I think deep down you guys don't really want it, but just aren't being honest about that.

 

I think things are getting so divisive now we'll eventually see most players of African origin in the Saudi/Middle Eastern leagues leagues and Europe will go back to having mostly Caucasian players.

Sorry, did you just accuse me of being a racist because I’m not bothered about dictatorships plowing money into English football?  

 

Get fucked, you fucking prick

[Tiresias]

3 minutes ago, KaKa said:

 

Yeah, I think it's probably for the best for English football as I think most of you feel this way. It's part of the reason I don't think black players should play for England because I think deep down you guys don't really want it, but just aren't being honest about that.

 

I think things are getting so divisive now we'll eventually see most players of African origin in the Saudi/Middle Eastern leagues leagues and Europe will go back to having mostly Caucasian players.

 

What the actual fuck?

[NE27]

[Shearergol]

5 minutes ago, KaKa said:

 

Yeah, I think it's probably for the best for English football as I think most of you feel this way. It's part of the reason I don't think black players should play for England because I think deep down you guys don't really want it, but just aren't being honest about that.

 

I think things are getting so divisive now we'll eventually see most players of African origin in the Saudi/Middle Eastern leagues leagues and Europe will go back to having mostly Caucasian players.

Wow. Kaka goes full kaka

[TheBrownBottle]

1 minute ago, NE27 said:

Ructions

[Kid Icarus]

[Hanshithispantz]

TheBrownBottler

[KaKa]

Just now, Shearergol said:

Wow. Kaka goes full kaka

 

I'm telling you it's going to happen.

 

If in this day and age a kid as pleasant as Saka can still be getting racially abused by England fans, then for me there is absolutely no hope.

 

We also had the Vinicius drama this year and now this Gaultier nonsense. The Saudi option is a viable threat and these players are going to start opting for that instead.

[Shearergol]

1 minute ago, KaKa said:

 

I'm telling you it's going to happen.

 

If in this day and age a kid as pleasant as Saka can still be getting racially abused by England fans, then for me there is absolutely no hope.

 

We also had the Vinicius drama this year and now this Gaultier nonsense. The Saudi option is a viable threat and these players are going to start opting for that instead.

You’ve basically just told us that all England fans want rid of the black players. Fuck off man 

[AyeDubbleYoo]

Sorry but that’s mental. 

[Tiresias]

There has certainly been an unpleasant and unwanted rise in racism in recent years driven by wankers who should all be shot out of cannons, this is a long way away from suggesting a) all england fans secretly want this (albeit yes i got somewhat alienated from england due to prevalence of those sort of fans, but Saka and co have brought back some love to it all) and b) all non-white players are going to leave imminently.I think the racist cunts are by far the minority but also unfortunately very vocal. Social media is a hell hole if feels society is being sucked into, i am all for bombing twitter from orbit

 

If sustained racial abuse continues and isnt addressed then who could blame them but with some hope and some love they won't win. 

 

 

Edited June 30, 2023 by Tiresias

[CaliMag]

This is some crazy shit coming from Kaka. 

 

Kaka, have you actually spent much time in Newcastle? Or England for that matter? (obviously I am talking about sometime in the last few decades not the 1950s). 

[AyeDubbleYoo]

I’m not going to downplay racism in any way, but that conclusion is too extreme to even debate. 

[Hanshithispantz]

I just don't see how you can jump to Saudi Arabia being the place to go 

[The Prophet]

I don't really know how to respond to that. A red hot take if I've ever seen one.