Eddie Howe - Granted Freedom of Newcastle

[Pilko]

That was much more like it, I know Chelsea were abject but he shuffled his pack to good effect and then made sensible changes to ensure we saw it out. 

 

We all know how quick the tide can turn either way, but get something at the weekend and suddenly it's a 3 game week that most people would have settled for at the start of it (okay, depending on the cup draw in a bit ).

 

[Dokko]

4 minutes ago, Pilko said:

That was much more like it, I know Chelsea were abject but he shuffled his pack to good effect and then made sensible changes to ensure we saw it out. 

 

We all know how quick the tide can turn either way, but get something at the weekend and suddenly it's a 3 game week that most people would have settled for at the start of it (okay, depending on the cup draw in a bit ).

 

 

100% this. Looked in control. Got the quick goals, and managed out the game 2nd half. Not sure how much Chelsea wanted it, but, even with that changed team their 2nd string is still worth £500m, so it's still a test when we're down. 

 

Test passed. 

[Lush Vlad]

Hard to take too much of that game literally. As Chelsea really weren’t that arsed about this. But we were still playing against a talented, ridiculously expensive XI. We made a few changes and were without plenty of our first team ourselves. All whilst in the middle of a rough patch.
 

Deployed the press to perfection first half and could have been 3 up after half an hour. Rode our luck a touch second half. But bar the penalty shout and Felix getting through. There wasn’t really many scary moments where it felt like they’d score. 
 

I’d look for a similar front 3 on Saturday, I reckon. But it does mean you need Joelinton interchanging with Willock, who was much improved BTW. Just not sure he gets in ahead of Longstaff based on tonight and previous games. 

[Super Duper Branko Strupar]

3 hours ago, The College Dropout said:

Isak said himself he likes playing with us in the PL because the games are more fast, transitional and direct. The slower nature of Spanish football wasn’t always to his strengths. 
 

Yourr arguing the other points with feelings and not facts. Tonali’s passing ball rentention is not a major strength. We knew this before he joined. Gordon doesn’t even need to be explained. 
 

They are talented players and have flexibility. But they are not the players to turn a transition team into a possession based team. 
 

We do not have the personnel to play like that effectively. Our squad is tilted to athleticism and power so we should play like that more than we’ve been trying. 

 Wow. The point I'm making is you're using assumptions and sweeping statements to try and paint things as facts, when in fact they're relative unknowns. You've decided to focus on something rather arbitrary as "profile" to prove Howe cant get a team playing possession based football. Does Haaland's profile scream possession? Isak's "profile" is great feet and touch, awareness and clever runs. He'll do fantastic in a team creating more chances for him by using the ball more should the team he's in be able to achieve it imo. 

Look, I'm aware you'd like Howe to fail. I don't get it personally, but there you go. The points you're making read very agenda driven. Looking for something to try and back up a pre determined argument. But it just makes much less sense than you'd like it to. 

Watch Tonali show his class this year. I'll pull you up on your post next year talking about how much you thought he'd be great in that role.
 

 

 

Edited October 30, 2024 by Super Duper Branko Strupar

[timeEd32]

Tonali as the 6, Bruno right of the midfield three, Gordon RW, and the Joes on the left might be our best team at the moment. Barnes supersub.

[Myleftboot]

2 minutes ago, timeEd32 said:

Tonali as the 6, Bruno right of the midfield three, Gordon RW, and the Joes on the left might be our best team at the moment. Barnes supersub.

Good call.

[KaKa]

1 minute ago, timeEd32 said:

Tonali as the 6, Bruno right of the midfield three, Gordon RW, and the Joes on the left might be our best team at the moment. Barnes supersub.

 

I'm all for it 

 

Have always really liked Joelinton on that left side. He combines with the overlapping full back and the central midfielder on his side better than anyone in the team.

 

He played for a bit on the right today before Tino came on. Wish it had been for a bit longer. Be interesting to see if he can recreate those sort of combinations on that side too if it becomes apparent that Gordon has to go back onto the left side in your suggested lineup.

[The College Dropout]

54 minutes ago, Super Duper Branko Strupar said:

 Wow. The point I'm making is you're using assumptions and sweeping statements to try and paint things as facts, when in fact they're relative unknowns. You've decided to focus on something rather arbitrary as "profile" to prove Howe cant get a team playing possession based football. Does Haaland's profile scream possession? Isak's "profile" is great feet and touch, awareness and clever runs. He'll do fantastic in a team creating more chances for him by using the ball more should the team he's in be able to achieve it imo. 

Look, I'm aware you'd like Howe to fail. I don't get it personally, but there you go. The points you're making read very agenda driven. Looking for something to try and back up a pre determined argument. But it just makes much less sense than you'd like it to. 

Watch Tonali show his class this year. I'll pull you up on your post next year talking about how much you thought he'd be great in that role.
 

 

 

 

No Haaland does not suit a possession based side. But City have 9 or 10 other players that are so he adds a different dimension. He’s also the best in the world at what he does so that helps the clash of styles. 
 

Im not agenda driven at all. If you look at this thread and others I’ve defended Howe a lot recently.  I’m not even saying this to attack him! I just want him to play the style that he has built the squad for. 
 

Tonali might prove to be an excellent player. He has ability.  He can bring great physicality to that position in the press, recovery runs etc. but he’s not going to be as good under pressure on the ball as Bruno.  I think a double pivot with them both could work excellently tbf. With just the one of them deep you lose legs or quick feet. 

[80]

Quiet thread, good news.

 

Not perfect tonight obviously, but the two Joes being at it, plus Hall impersonating Trippier, made it feel like we were back in our glory days. The team was up for it tonight from the off, which is a crucially important sign, as always.

 

 

Edited October 30, 2024 by 80

[AyeDubbleYoo]

I'm not sure the two Joes down the left is the answer mind - they both missed good chances arriving at the back post. Saying that, we won so it's not that important this time. 

[Rod]

47 minutes ago, The College Dropout said:

No Haaland does not suit a possession based side. But City have 9 or 10 other players that are so he adds a different dimension. He’s also the best in the world at what he does so that helps the clash of styles. 
 

Im not agenda driven at all. If you look at this thread and others I’ve defended Howe a lot recently.  I’m not even saying this to attack him! I just want him to play the style that he has built the squad for. 
 

Tonali might prove to be an excellent player. He has ability.  He can bring great physicality to that position in the press, recovery runs etc. but he’s not going to be as good under pressure on the ball as Bruno.  I think a double pivot with them both could work excellently tbf. With just the one of them deep you lose legs or quick feet. 

Tonali is class.  We possibly haven't seen it yet but when  he settles into our rhythm he will be outstanding.

[AyeDubbleYoo]

Just now, Rod said:

Tonali is class.  We possibly haven't seen it yet but when  he settles into our rhythm he will be outstanding.

 

I don't know why anyone is in doubt about this. He's an amazing signing. 

 

Maybe some people hold his ban against him and think he owes us instant returns or something, but the lad is a highly-rated Italian international midfielder and someone we couldn't have dreamed of signing before. 

[Pata]

8 hours ago, PauloGeordio said:

Can Wor flags get on to this 

 

Others are seeing the obvious too! 

 

 

 

 

I mean that's right after the bad loss of possession by Isak. Has nothing to do with the midfield setup ffs.

 

 

Edit. Like Vlad had already commented. 

 

 

Edited October 31, 2024 by Pata

[Pata]

Really quiet here by the way after a win compared to the double digit pages after Sunday. 

[80]

36 minutes ago, AyeDubbleYoo said:

I'm not sure the two Joes down the left is the answer mind - they both missed good chances arriving at the back post. Saying that, we won so it's not that important this time. 

Yeah but they had point blank chances, which is an unusual thing for us nowadays. It implies we were overall doing match winning things right.

[Disco]

Fans still firmly with him given the song selection tonight.

[Izakaya]

Couldnt watch but it's encouraging to see we were up for it and we've tried something new. 

[Rod]

1 hour ago, Izakaya said:

Couldnt watch but it's encouraging to see we were up for it and we've tried something new. 

Something new?

[Izakaya]

1 hour ago, Rod said:

Something new?

Big Joe on the left, Willock behind. 

[SUPERTOON]

Think last night highlighted what a lot of people have been saying, we can only play high press to have success. Really hope we see it weekly now, genuinely don’t think the squad we have can play any other way.

[black_n_white]

Big joe on the left and Gordon on the right might be the way to go now? Not sure Gordon is effective on that side but the balance of the team looked better. It’s also Joelinton’s natural position. I also liked Tonali in the middle with Bruno having the licence to move forward when he came on.
 

I think Kraft, Longstaff and Kelly have played into Howes thoughts for selection after last night too. Was quite refreshing having Kelly at the back with that extra pace, although I can’t see favourite Burn being dropped again.

 

I'm a little more confident than I was before the cup game, Arsenal are a very good side though and their pace on the wings may hurt us.

[Fak]

6 hours ago, Rod said:

Something new?

Scoring and keeping a clean sheet. 

[PauloGeordio]

It was good to see some tinkering to positive effect. It’s almost as if Eddie or Tinndall had been reading NO  Great result, hope it’s a platform for some consistency now and we can go on a run. Big test on Saturday, but the fans and the team will be buoyed by last night  

 

 

 

 

Edited October 31, 2024 by PauloGeordio

[Lush Vlad]

9 hours ago, AyeDubbleYoo said:

I'm not sure the two Joes down the left is the answer mind - they both missed good chances arriving at the back post. Saying that, we won so it's not that important this time. 

The first one Joelinton should score. But it is a bit awkward the way it bounces up right before getting to him. That could be as much him and his erratic finishing making it awkard, though. 
 

The Willock one. You on about the cross from Gordon right at the end of the first half? That’s barely a chance FFS  

 

He is quite a way outside the post, he has just sprinted at full tilt from the halfway line to keep up with Gordon and is still travelling at some speed when the cross comes in. Gordon has then smashed it across goal harder than when he has a shot, it’s waist high on the volley, on the stretch, on his weaker foot and with a defender right near him. 

[Lush Vlad]

1 hour ago, SUPERTOON said:

Think last night highlighted what a lot of people have been saying, we can only play high press to have success. Really hope we see it weekly now, genuinely don’t think the squad we have can play any other way.

Well we only really played it for 30-40 mins. We just managed to get in front, unlike Brighton. Where we did the same first half. 
 

I still think we need to pick and choose and I’m sure we do. Depending on opponent, situation, home or away, players in the team, different pressing triggers etc. 

 

Last night helped that they seemed fine with going out. But we sat pretty deep from the end of the first half onwards, changed personnel around, as well as the formation. We saw the game out fairly comfortably in the end. So it’s a bit disingenuous to say we can only play one way. We do look far better with that high press, mind. You’re just not going to sustain that over 90 minutes or a season.