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TheBrownBottle

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6 hours ago, DiddyLevine said:

Some helpful advice

 

 

We do nowt with that line-up.  Barnes at 10?  He doesn’t have anything like the vision to play there.  His entire game is cutting in and shooting.   That midfield ends up 30 yards behind the three wingers playing behind the forward.  Looks like a mess to me. 

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DiddyLevine

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28 minutes ago, TheBrownBottle said:

We do nowt with that line-up.  Barnes at 10?  He doesn’t have anything like the vision to play there.  His entire game is cutting in and shooting.   That midfield ends up 30 yards behind the three wingers playing behind the forward.  Looks like a mess to me. 

What about the formation ?

 

433 isnt football its athletics

We currently play 433 without the athletics ...

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TheBrownBottle

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24 minutes ago, DiddyLevine said:

What about the formation ?

 

433 isnt football its athletics

We currently play 433 without the athletics ...

4-3-3 could be argued to be the perfect formation - it is the total football formation, requiring skill, intelligence and yes, athleticism.  Michels and Cruyff favoured it with good reason.  We saw it work best when players could switch positions - which is why Burn at LB wasn’t at all the disaster that lots made out, and why Joelinton and Willock on the left switching out made it work.  It doesn’t work well with a player sat in a holding role and not moving forwards, with full back who won’t overlap, and with wingers and midfielders not moving to cover other positions.  That’s what we were doing well and it’s in part why we have seen such a drop-off - we’re not playing as you’re required to in that formation.  We lack guile and movement.
 

4-2–3-1 was always a blandly defensive formation, and no less reliant on athleticism.  It produces miserable football.  Hence our old mate the king used it during his time at SJP.  And it absolutely needs a ‘10’, which we don’t have. 

 

The problem we have is that we don’t have the personnel to play either particularly well.  
edit: and it’s also why our transfer policy deserves criticism and scrutiny.   The squad build hasn’t been great, and we have a ‘lop-sided’ squad not built for any particular form of football.  Which is why DoF exist and you don’t give a manager complete power at a football club.  Staveley and co overindulged Howe. 

 

 

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Nepharite

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On 30/11/2024 at 17:50, astraguy said:

This, The summer window was a car crash that wasn't down to him, Jan will be huge and i hope we move on a few players 

Isak could play as the withdrawn striker in a 4411 formation. Which isn’t too far away in philosophy from the 433 Eddie plays.

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14 minutes ago, Nepharite said:

Isak could play as the withdrawn striker in a 4411 formation. Which isn’t too far away in philosophy from the 433 Eddie plays.

 

He isn't going to contribute too much to the midfield though so it is a loss of a midfielder. I can see it to play counter but trying to keep the ball at all will be easily outnumbered. 

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21 minutes ago, Tiresias said:

 

He isn't going to contribute too much to the midfield though so it is a loss of a midfielder. I can see it to play counter but trying to keep the ball at all will be easily outnumbered. 

I don’t want him to contribute in midfield. I want him to dribble and shoot.

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2 hours ago, TRon said:

 

The timing wasn't right, but if Tuchel hadn't took the England job, I would have been quite excited to see him here. I just think his sort of personality  would fit here, and he's mentioned us before so he seemed to be open to it. But right now I think the job is Howe's to lose. We are still in touch with CL places if he can get some form going, so we won't be looking for a replacement unless things really do take a dive over what's left of the season.

Similar to Conte & Mourinho in that he falls out with every club fairly quickly but… if he won a trophy I’d forgive pretty much anything

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3 hours ago, Groundhog63 said:

 

Jota £45m

Nunez  £85m

Salah £42m (in 2017 btw ££££)

Gakpo £42m

Diaz £52m

Szob £70m

Yes they have spent loads, I’ve long argued that they spend heavily but it always gets overlooked especially during the Turkey Teeth love in. 

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1 hour ago, Monters said:

Yes they have spent loads, I’ve long argued that they spend heavily but it always gets overlooked especially during the Turkey Teeth love in. 

 

4 hours ago, Groundhog63 said:

 

Jota £45m

Nunez  £85m

Salah £42m (in 2017 btw ££££)

Gakpo £42m

Diaz £52m

Szob £70m

 

Their net spent over the last 5 years is lower than ours, when we're talking about transfer fees. The thing is they have sold players for a good fee aswell (Mane and Fabinho for instance). Going back further, to 2017 when they bought Salah, they also sold Coutinho for 135 mill euros. They paid less for van Dijk and Salah combined in that very same window.

 

 

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4 hours ago, Holmesy said:

Isak wasn't a ready made guaranteed to get you goals. He was a very good striker but a calculated risk who came from another league, but I would say he's worked out ok.

Other teams seem to be able to identify talent from overseas and make them work as well. It's a fucking nonsense!

The PL is far more like other continental leagues now than it ever was and players are protected from the physicality that originally defined the PL - that was often the make or break. 

 

 

 


Almost no PL clubs buy strikers proven to score goals here. Proven to score goals somewhere else, maybe. 

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36 minutes ago, Erikse said:

 

 

Their net spent over the past 5 years is lower than ours, when we're talking about transfer fees. The thing is they have sold players for a good fee aswell (Mane and Fabinho for instance). Going back further, to 2017 when they bought Salah, they also sold Coutinho for 135 mill euros. That's less than the price they paid for van Dijk and Salah combined in that very same window.

 

I look at that Liverpool team of players and what they're achieving, and it doesn't look completely impossible for us to achieve.

 

The massive call they made to hand over the keys to Michael Edwards, which apparently came at the cost of losing Klopp, looks like it's going to pay off big time for them.

 

We need to get our recruitment in order. Both selling and buying at the right time, and adequately filling out the squad so it is much better balanced.

 

I think Howe has the potential as a manager too, but that will all depend on how open minded he is to the changes we need to make in recruitment, and also if he can continue to develop tactically.

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36 minutes ago, Ronaldo said:


Can’t even remember the last time it happened to be fair. 

 

If we're talking any club, then Solanke. Could mention a couple of older players like Wood and Ings aswell. Ings obviously didn't work out, though.

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10 hours ago, AyeDubbleYoo said:


Almost no PL clubs buy strikers proven to score goals here. Proven to score goals somewhere else, maybe. 

 

Solanke? Although to be fair it was alot of championship and not consistently season after season so maybe not. 

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10 hours ago, AyeDubbleYoo said:


Almost no PL clubs buy strikers proven to score goals here. Proven to score goals somewhere else, maybe. 

And the problem is when you do, you end up looking at trash like Calvert-Lewin 

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14 hours ago, hakka said:

 

Actually that definitely would - but even we are lucky to even be in that position because of our owners. Majority in the league don't have an owner ready to throw few billion at a new stadium just to get about 10% more close revenue wise to the cartel cunts. :lol:

 

I'm not even sure ours will at this point. I think if they thought they could spend their way to trophies, they would chuck whatever was needed at it. But invest in a new stadium just to finish 6th? If it makes sense from a financial POV maybe.

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Erikse

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43 minutes ago, TRon said:

 

I'm not even sure ours will at this point. I think if they thought they could spend their way to trophies, they would chuck whatever was needed at it. But invest in a new stadium just to finish 6th? If it makes sense from a financial POV maybe.

 

Never really thought they were too concerned about the financial side of things. Not sure they bought us to earn money from it. I think the price of a new stadium is peanuts to them, as crazy as it is.

 

 

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