Eddie Howe

[TheBrownBottle]

52 minutes ago, High Five o said:

Such a mental take to suggest replacing Howe at this stage.

First real dip in form after the worst injury crisis I can remember.

 

Going by some posters here and X it looks like we should change managers every 6 months. I am sure they would call for Peps head if we where in manc situation as well?

 

Literally no-one here has called for his head.  

[Displayname]

5 minutes ago, TheBrownBottle said:

Yep.  Straw man nonsense.  I’ve not seen a single person on this thread calling for his head.  

I have seen 1 or 2 posts calling for him to be sacked if we lose against Sunderland, other than that nothing.

 

I think he should survive the summer pretty much no matter what. He has shown that he has excellent qualities, and i think he will reflect and learn from mistakes this season when he gets time to. 

[TheBrownBottle]

1 minute ago, Displayname said:

I have seen 1 or 2 posts calling for him to be sacked if we lose against Sunderland, other than that nothing.

 

I think he should survive the summer pretty much no matter what. He has shown that he has excellent qualities, and i think he will reflect and learn from mistakes this season when he gets time to. 

I missed those tbh mate - if people have written that, then those posts deserve some pushback.  I will say I’ll be pissing blood if we lose to the Mackems, but no chance should Howe lose his job.

 

I agree - he should be given at least the season. For me, he’s got enough credit that even if we sputter over the finish line, I’d want the club to back him again for the start of next season.  Totally agree that he’ll learn - he’ll be better and the team will be better again next year.  The bloke had never managed a European campaign before - he’ll have learned shitloads this time round.  

[Froggy]

33 minutes ago, TheBrownBottle said:

Literally no-one here has called for his head.  

 

Not outright, but there has been plenty of thinly veiled posts about how fatigue cannot be blamed anymore and how he has to turn it around quickly. About how much pressure he's going to be under and how PIF will be looking at other managers. The knives are certainly being sharpened.

 

He deserves at least the full season and another two windows IMO. 

[The College Dropout]

9 hours ago, The Prophet said:

To be fair, Haaland's back up is Alvarez.

And he didn’t score nor look like scoring. 1-0 down he didn’t even give Haaland 10 minutes to overturn the result. He prioritised Haaland’s long term sharpness and fitness of a LC R3 tie even if that meant losing. 
 

Despite a congested fixture list and an injury crisis - Howe has not prioritised player fitness and sharpness over the immediate game. 
 

This is where I can admit to results bias. Had we beaten any of Bournemouth, Everton, Spurs or Chelsea his decisions would be vindicated. As such we’ve lost and played badly - almost progressively badly - and his decisions are rightfully being critiqued.  

[The College Dropout]

1 hour ago, Froggy said:

Mental reading this thread as an outsider.

 

My thoughts:

 

Are you in poor form? Yes.

Is fatigue/injuries to blame? Yes.

Should Howe also take blame? Yes.

Should Howe be sacked? Only if you're a fucking mentalist. 

 

The guy took over a relegation threatened side and has had four windows, one of which you were signing players like Chris Wood just to stay up. We realistically shouldn't even be talking about Newcastle breaking into the top four yet, yet you finished fourth in his first full season in charge.

 

He's a victim of his own success.

Only the PIF are ruthless enthusiasts are suggesting he might get sacked. That’s a small minority. Most of the discussion in here is about how much bad luck with injuries vs suboptimal decisions have caused the fatigue and poor form. 
 

im including the transfer committee here too. We were left 2-3 players short. 

[SUPERTOON]

1 hour ago, Displayname said:

I wouldnt use anyone from the A-team in the league cup the first year we entered champions league.

I would fill the squad up with only players he can actually use before the season started.

I would give youngsters opportunities when it turned out we had a lot of injuries instead of playing Almiron, Gordon, Trippier etc 2x90mins a week.

This has only resulted in them being shit in every game. 

We made wholesale changes against Man City and Man Utd in the cup, go take a look at the lineup at OT. 
 

Our youngsters clearly aren’t ready or good enough, easy enough to say throw them in but throwing in a kid in to high pressure games when they aren’t ready is a recipe for disaster.

[South-Cheshire-Toon]

I look at it as - 

 

1. Are we in a position to be relegated - NO.

2. Are we in a good table position overall - YES.

3. Are the injuries we have counting against us - YES.

4. Should there have been a better squad rotation - YES.

 

 

So if Eddie were to be sacked (which I wouldn't want - give him another two seasons at least as we are still in building mode) - who the Fuck would you get ? 

 

 

[Kid Icarus]

1 hour ago, TheBrownBottle said:

Literally no-one here has called for his head.  

Not true. A few have mentioned that if we lose to Sunderland he should go, or that he will lose their support/the crowd. Properly mental AFAIC.

 

Also plenty of posts about how the fatigue and injuries 'excuse' is wearing thin.

 

 

Edited December 27, 2023 by Kid Icarus

[TheBrownBottle]

38 minutes ago, Froggy said:

 

Not outright, but there has been plenty of thinly veiled posts about how fatigue cannot be blamed anymore and how he has to turn it around quickly. About how much pressure he's going to be under and how PIF will be looking at other managers. The knives are certainly being sharpened.

 

He deserves at least the full season and another two windows IMO. 

 

6 minutes ago, Kid Icarus said:

Not true. A few have mentioned that if we lose to Sunderland he should go, or that he will lose their support/the crowd. Properly mental AFAIC.

 

Also plenty of posts about how the fatigue and injuries 'excuse' is wearing thin.

 

 

 

Fair enough - while I do think that we have zero data on how PIF will react to what’s happening at present, from a fans’ perspective talking as if the bloke has weeks or even days to turn this around isn’t great.  Losing to Sunderland would cause anger - but that shouldn’t be enough to provoke calls for his sacking. 

[The College Dropout]

29 minutes ago, SUPERTOON said:

We made wholesale changes against Man City and Man Utd in the cup, go take a look at the lineup at OT. 
 

Our youngsters clearly aren’t ready or good enough, easy enough to say throw them in but throwing in a kid in to high pressure games when they aren’t ready is a recipe for disaster.

We brought on Bruno and Gordon at half time. Almiron played 30. Those minutes count. Pep did not bring on Ederson, Dias, Rodri or Haaland.  Pep prioritised the long term sharpness of his side over that 1 game. If 45 minutes is inconsequential he would’ve brought on Haaland & Dias. 
 

It was 6-0 and 70 minutes against Sheffield United before Howe made his first subs to rest players. Bruno played 80 minutes, Almiron and Trippier 70 mins. 
 

These minutes all add up.  What was his plan to keep Bruno sharp? Did he change that plan with the injuries and suspensions?

 

I know he planned to rotate Barnes and Gordon.  After the injuries - he’s decided to not rest Gordon at all. That hasn’t been a smart approach. 

[duo]

31 minutes ago, South-Cheshire-Toon said:

I look at it as - 

 

1. Are we in a position to be relegated - NO.

2. Are we in a good table position overall - YES.

3. Are the injuries we have counting against us - YES.

4. Should there have been a better squad rotation - YES.

 

 

So if Eddie were to be sacked (which I wouldn't want - give him another two seasons at least as we are still in building mode) - who the Fuck would you get ? 

 

 

The daggers are definitely getting sharpened in the press - very negative today.  I think the biggest issue Eddie has is that he over achieved with the squad.  Now expectation is a lot higher.  Most Newcastle United fans knew it was a big ask competing in all competitions with our squad, which was small before the injuries hit.  All eyes will be on Eddie now in how he adapts to the situation as it is clear the players we have now just haven't the energy or aren't fit enough yet (still carrying knocks) to play his high press, attacking system.  So we are going to have to adapt and change our playing style.  Hopefully now Eddie has the chance to train with the players, he has the chance to do just that.  Jan will also be key in strengthen/freshening the squad - a new keeper is a must.

 

 

Edited December 27, 2023 by duo

[Zero]

I think there are in fact two questions:

 

1. Should Howe be sacked?

 

I think pretty much 99% people here would say no fucking way

 

2. Will Howe be sacked?

 

Now that’s the tricky part. Look at the fixtures. We could lose all games in January including the Sunderland cup game. The next realistic 3 points would be from Luton.

 

My genuine prediction is IF we lose all games including that Luton league game, Howe will be sacked.

 

 

 

[The Prophet]

Does anyone know if Howe prioritises the next game over the long term sharpness of his players?

[SUPERTOON]

6 minutes ago, The College Dropout said:

We brought on Bruno and Gordon at half time. Almiron played 30. Those minutes count. Pep did not bring on Ederson, Dias, Rodri or Haaland.  Pep prioritised the long term sharpness of his side over that 1 game. If 45 minutes is inconsequential he would’ve brought on Haaland & Dias. 
 

It was 6-0 and 70 minutes against Sheffield United before Howe made his first subs to rest players. Bruno played 80 minutes, Almiron and Trippier 70 mins. 
 

These minutes all add up.  What was his plan to keep Bruno sharp? Did he change that plan with the injuries and suspensions?

 

I know he planned to rotate Barnes and Gordon.  After the injuries - he’s decided to not rest Gordon at all. That hasn’t been a smart approach. 

I agree regarding the sheff Utd game and would add the palace one in when I would have made earlier subs. However anyone having a go at him trying to win cup games, when we haven’t won a trophy in forever is mad to me. 

[duo]

Sacking Eddie would be catastrophic for the club - and for me it won't happen.  He's still the dressing room, he's still the fans, we could finishing 17th and I wouldn't want Eddie sacked.  And I think the owners know that - Jan will be telling for me in how much they back him.  As we need players. 

[South-Cheshire-Toon]

2 minutes ago, duo said:

Sacking Eddie would be catastrophic for the club - and for me it won't happen.  He's still the dressing room, he's still the fans, we could finishing 17th and I wouldn't want Eddie sacked.  And I think the owners know that - Jan will be telling for me in how much they back him.  As we need players. 

I think in a way these injuries have shown the need for a deeper squad - so there may be some 'targeted' purchases to cover the areas that we are weak in. GK for one.

[Gawalls]

I still think we can’t spend that much due to FFP. I don’t think they’ll be many purchases in Jan

[The College Dropout]

19 minutes ago, SUPERTOON said:

I agree regarding the sheff Utd game and would add the palace one in when I would have made earlier subs. However anyone having a go at him trying to win cup games, when we haven’t won a trophy in forever is mad to me. 

Im Not having a go for him trying to win cup games. I’m criticising his approach to keeping players fit and sharp. He could’ve rested players in the CL or league instead. He didn’t do that either. He has tried to tinker with our press, especially away from home - but that hasn’t worked at all.

 

Btw I love his winning mentality. But he’s been a bit naive imo. 

 

 

Edited December 27, 2023 by The College Dropout

[Whitley mag]

Just now, Gawalls said:

I still think we can’t spend that much due to FFP. I don’t think they’ll be many purchases in Jan

It’ll depend how they can structure deals, if a club wants 50 million upfront then I think that’ll rule us out. 

[clintdempsey]

If we were to miss out on Europe altogether at the end of the season surely that can’t be seen as progress. I’d say that we need Europe to satisfy the owners and to show the wider football world that we are indeed here to stay. If we’d fall away and finish 10th-14th there will be issues legitimizing “the project” (as ? as that sounds).
 

There will also be financial ramifications as a result of that which won’t help us at all in the coming windows. Our sponsorship deals are probably (as they should be) incentivized and we’d probably have to sell one or two of our crown jewels to give us some room for the much needed signings of the required quality.

 

On the other hand - Eddie has shown before that he’s more than capable of constructing a team from rubble. So were he to get the chance to rebuild he’ll have us up chasing the Top 4 again. He’d definitely deserve that for me at least. As piss poor as the last few weeks have been. 

[The Prophet]

Didn't we fill the full 25-man squad?

 

Granted Dummett and Ritchie need shifting, but a dozen first team injuries will cripple just about any squad in three competitions.

[astraguy]

January looks like a write off points wise and if we lose to the mackems dear god

[George Bailey]

17 minutes ago, Zero said:

I think there are in fact two questions:

 

1. Should Howe be sacked?

 

I think pretty much 99% people here would say no fucking way

 

2. Will Howe be sacked?

 

Now that’s the tricky part. Look at the fixtures. We could lose all games in January including the Sunderland cup game. The next realistic 3 points would be from Luton.

 

My genuine prediction is IF we lose all games including that Luton league game, Howe will be sacked.

 

 

 

And from what I have read that’s what seems to be a bit of a consensus viewpoint.

IF all games were lost (including a potential humping from Liverpool) then it may well be he will be sacked.

 

From what I have read NO ONE on here wants that or is calling for it.
The manner of performances, coupled with results recently will have worried the owners though.

Let’s hope for a massive response from the team over next couple of games then January strengthening in whatever way possible.

[Dr Venkman]

16 hours ago, Dokko said:

 

All I've said all along is if he loses against Sunderland, then he should go.

 

Why would you make such a huge decision based on the result of one game? Doesn’t make any sense and it’s not the way to build a club. It’s the sort of small time move the mackems have been making for decades and for which we’ve rightly mocked them.