dcmk Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Stifler said: Sorry to say, and as much as Howe has done a job that went beyond any sort of wild expectations, he’s still making massive mistakes right now which are costing us. We have no one at LB because in 6 months he hasn’t bothered to ease Hall into the team. So now we have Burn playing against the likes of Salah, and Mbappe, when he struggles with anyone with any sort of pace. We have Schar going upfront and leaving gaps, which has cost us so many games this season and he obviously hasn’t been told to stop it. We have Trippier who is fucked, absolutely fucked when we have Livramento who’s performing well in that position who can cover him for a few games. some of the games have been awful. Look at Luton, and Forest. Simple passing and doing the simple things is enough to beat those teams. We aren’t doing that, no simple passing, nothing, literally passing to opposition players, or running into them instead of making the simple available passes. It’s more than just fatigue, and you can see right from KO if we are going to win the game. It’s not even like we can start slowly and come into games, we start slowly, that’s it. I’ve always feared that Howe is defensively naïve, and he’s showing that again. If we are going to write off this January because of the fixtures, then he has to win the derby, has too. Under Ashley it was another game, and so long as we had enough points at the end of the season, the manager could get away with that. I don’t think our owners, or are fans are going to accept it. This season is fast running away from us, and if we lose that as well, it’s a complete and utter waste of a season, and would go nowhere towards building for the future. We had one of the best defenses last season. With Dan Burn. You're literally judging him on a period of time when he's had his hands tied, injuries left right and center. Lewis Hall, needs work, he didn't even have a pre-season and looks way off the pace even in his cameos. If you can't look pass the results and look at the situation and the bigger picture, then I don't know what to say. Edited January 1 by dcmk Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPERTOON Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 13 minutes ago, mofo said: Tonali Pope Murphy Barnes Wilson Willock Anderson Trippier Manquillio Targett #remember Agree with what you are trying to highlight, but I wish people wouldn’t put Manquillo in these lists ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dyeyzzon Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 Still back him. Needs a scrappy derby win just to lift the place. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shearergol Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 Stick 2 fit wingers and a fit striker in the team and you’ll see us keep the ball better. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 We could barely put a team out for Bournemouth. No Bruno and Gordon up top if I recall. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPERTOON Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 A win on Saturday and things start to turn imo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitley mag Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 He’s not beyond criticism and the team have had nearly a full week to prepare for tonight and still looked a fucking shambles at the back. Yes it’s Liverpool, but Man U recently went there and didn’t look anywhere near as disjointed as we did. It’s not about tonight in isolation the last 3 games have been shambolic, simple balls played to players unmarked for tap ins. He’s still the man but I’d be lying if I said I wasn’t worried. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mofo Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 4 minutes ago, Boey_Jarton said: There are certainly mitigating circumstances but we have to be able to set up more organised than we did today. Liverpool didn't have to do anything in order to be clean through on Dubravka 100% agree and Howe deserves criticism. However there is not a manager in the world (IMO) who would not struggle having these injuries. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 (edited) 21 minutes ago, SUPERTOON said: The main issue he has is that he massively overachieved last season. Genuinely think that’s where the reactions and pressure is coming from. Ridiculous really. Aye. The thing is he's overachieved due to the work ethic he instilled, I cannot grasp how people are not just willing to accept a write off given the circumstances, a packed month with a huge injury list was always goung to be devastating to a side that relies on pressing like we do. Even in his first season when we were more defensive, we relied on our off the ball work, we never played a traditional low block. We need fit players and at the start of the season we looked great with the potential to field 2 starting XIs. Klopp looks like he could win the league this season, Liverpool were a joke a few months ago, I never saw him at any point change his ethos and I doubt Howe will either. Edited January 1 by Hanshithispantz Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
clintdempsey Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 8 minutes ago, nemtizz said: As pitiful as that performance was he won’t be judged by it. Not by anyone that matters anyway. Gap between our mid and defence is embarrassing and glaring obvious. Especially in the big games. That’s why Foden always bums us. We’ve had that gap since pre-season tbh. The signs were there against Villa already. (The pre-season game). The midfield shape has been “off” all season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LiquidAK Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 3 minutes ago, Stifler said: Maybe you could actually create a constructive post? You first sweetie Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gbandit Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 Still completely back him and that’s not going to change anytime soon. We were so easy to play through and so poor on the ball between defence and midfield though. I’m desperate to see an improvement in both of these areas. We absolutely have to stop being passed through with ease and it would be great to see us string together some passing to build our confidence back up. Everyone’s heads just drop when we keep losing the ball Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesse Pinkman Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 7 losses out of 8. That will put any manager under pressure. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shearergol Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 Needs to find a way to make a shit game for both sides. Man united managed to drag Liverpool down to their level, we didn’t. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
simonsays Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 2 minutes ago, SUPERTOON said: Agree with what you are trying to highlight, but I wish people wouldn’t put Manquillo in these lists ? Why? He's one of our 25 man squad. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 10 minutes ago, Stifler said: Sorry to say, and as much as Howe has done a job that went beyond any sort of wild expectations, he’s still making massive mistakes right now which are costing us. We have no one at LB because in 6 months he hasn’t bothered to ease Hall into the team. So now we have Burn playing against the likes of Salah, and Mbappe, when he struggles with anyone with any sort of pace. We have Schar going upfront and leaving gaps, which has cost us so many games this season and he obviously hasn’t been told to stop it. We have Trippier who is fucked, absolutely fucked when we have Livramento who’s performing well in that position who can cover him for a few games. some of the games have been awful. Look at Luton, and Forest. Simple passing and doing the simple things is enough to beat those teams. We aren’t doing that, no simple passing, nothing, literally passing to opposition players, or running into them instead of making the simple available passes. It’s more than just fatigue, and you can see right from KO if we are going to win the game. It’s not even like we can start slowly and come into games, we start slowly, that’s it. I’ve always feared that Howe is defensively naïve, and he’s showing that again. If we are going to write off this January because of the fixtures, then he has to win the derby, has too. Under Ashley it was another game, and so long as we had enough points at the end of the season, the manager could get away with that. I don’t think our owners, or are fans are going to accept it. This season is fast running away from us, and if we lose that as well, it’s a complete and utter waste of a season, and would go nowhere towards building for the future. So by "massive mistakes" we mean rotating the full backs? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theregulars Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 3 minutes ago, Andy said: Were they though? Milan, Brighton, Bournemouth, Wolves (until Neto went off), Dortmund were all very poor performances before the injury crisis really kicked in. Can only remember us playing well against Shef Utd (obviously) and we were "okay" against West Ham who mainly sat back. We've set up differently on the road to how we do at home all season - we're much deeper, more passive, the full backs don't push on, the striker is isolated, there is no intensity etc. Could just be a mentality thing since we don't have the crowd behind us I guess, but I think it's at least partially instructional. Sorry I need to step in because this is anti-factual dribble. Bournemouth was our worst injury hit game, Dortmund we had loads out both legs. Milan was a good point for a team most of whose players have never played at that level in that kind of atmosphere. Brighton away was poor and wolves away was disappointing but they played well! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 Was a bit shocked to hear that Howe has lost 12 in a row to Klopp now, but on reflection you have to look at the teams he's managed. Bournemouth, Burnley and now us. I don't think we should reasonably expect much different from the team we are currently able to field. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Menace Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 (edited) For those that are frustrated or are wanting a change - what would you have done different/who do you want in? Genuinely curious by the way. Edited January 1 by Menace Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 I hate losing to the inbreds from down the road, but I hope there isn’t a massive overreaction from the support if we lose again at the weekend. The performances of late have been poor, and there are some mitigating circumstances, but I don’t doubt that Howe will be aware of that more than anyone. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPERTOON Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 1 minute ago, simonsays said: Why? He's one of our 25 man squad. Because it’s like saying we would miss Ritchie or Dummett if they weren’t available. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonas Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 Even allowing for the opposition that was a mess and more angering than any of the others for me because of it. More the performance than result which sometimes is just one of those things. For the first time he is under pressure now, Not from me, but the combination of losing to the mackems enraging/further enraging a good chunk of our fanbase, the basic parameter of recent results and the proclivity of the ownership to listen to fans. If there was a clear alternative it wouldn't surprise me if they took it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 8 minutes ago, Wandy said: "We weren't that bad" We were absolutely fucking atrocious for the entire 90. no we weren't. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dyeyzzon Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 Just now, Menace said: For those that are frustrated or are wanting a change - what would you have done different/who do you want him? Genuinely curious by the way. I back Eddie 100% but one thing that continues to frustrate is Burn at LB for starters. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
simonsays Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 Just now, SUPERTOON said: Because it’s like saying we would miss Ritchie or Dummett if they weren’t available. Both of whom have been called on to play this season. At the very least he could have played cup games to give other players a rest Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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