Eddie Howe

[LiquidAK]

People's need to twist an absolute classic of a comeback into the most negative view of it is wild like. Football is meant to be enjoyable, especially when you win it like that

 

Not even to mention the fact that Howe acknowledged it wasn't the right call in hindsight and adjusted accordingly. But of course the narrative among some is that he doesn't learn, so maybe we imagined that 

 

 

Edited March 31 by LiquidAK

[Displayname]

All things considered it was an exciting game that we fully deserved to win. So even though there were a couple things so nitpick at, you are not going to see it from me this time.

If im going to criticize Howe when the players dont perform, I must also applaud him when they do. And overall i thought they did yesterday. So good job Eddie

[Cronky]

Eddie obviously has little faith in Hall as a defender. The decision to switch Livramento to the left and put Krafth on backfired when it became clear that Krafth was not in a confident frame of mind. That lack of confidence led to him playing Antonio onside, and not long after he gave the ball away in a dangerous situation. Krafth has looked poor and quite decent in different phases of his time here, and yesterday he turned out to be poor.

 

When we went two goals down, Eddie had to gamble, and that's when Hall really came into his own. He participated well in attack and made a difference. 

 

I think Eddie's reasoning is that the back five is already quite weak, and doesn't have protection from a defensive midfielder, so he can't afford to have a young, attack minded full back who may be vulnerable at the back post in particular.

 

So yes, Eddie got it wrong, but he's a manager who's prepared to back his own judgement even when more orthodox opinion might sway things another way. Most of the time, that attitude stands us in very good stead, as we can see by what's happened under his leadership. Occasionally, his boldness is going to leave him open to criticism, but let's not lose hold of the bigger picture.

 

Anyway, I think we can now look forward to young Lewis showing us what he's made of.

[duo]

Almiron injury forced his hand on Barnes 

[SUPERTOON]

3 minutes ago, duo said:

Almiron injury forced his hand on Barnes 

Wasn’t he going to bring on Barnes before Tino got injured so changed his mind ?

[The College Dropout]

16 hours ago, LiquidAK said:

It wasn't as bad a performance at 3-1 as some are making out, It was flat, but Bruno hit the bar at 1-1 so it's not like we got blown away. Conceding 2 sloppy goals either side of half time was a frustration, but immensely proud of the players for not wilting and giving up. I love this team and I love Eddie Howe. Fucking get in 

Yeh it was.  

[SUPERTOON]

On our defensive issues, do people think as soon as Pope and Joelinton are back then our defensive issues will suddenly disappear? 

[LiquidAK]

2 minutes ago, The College Dropout said:

Yeh it was.  

Embarrassing for you to publicly admit that you don't know ball 

[mondonewc]

13 minutes ago, SUPERTOON said:

On our defensive issues, do people think as soon as Pope and Joelinton are back then our defensive issues will suddenly disappear? 

Pre Pope's injury from the start of season here's our goals conceded:

Villa - 1
City - 1
Liverpool - 2
Brighton - 3
Brentford - 0
Milan - 0
Sheff U - 0
City - 0 
Burnley - 0
PSG - 1 
West Ham - 2
Palace - 0
Dortmund - 1
Wolves - 2
Man U - 0 
Arsenal - 0 
Dortmund - 2 
Bournemouth - 2
Chelsea - 1
PSG - 1
Man U - 0 

Average per game conceded 0.90 goals per game

Without Pope 

Everton - 3
Spurs - 4
Milan - 2
Fulham - 0 
Chelsea - 1
Luton - 1
Forest - 3
Liverpool - 4
Scum - 0
Man City - 3
Fulham - 0 
Villa - 1
Luton - 4
Forest - 2
Bournemouth - 2
Arsenal - 4
Blackburn - 1
Wolves - 0 
Chelsea - 3
Man City - 2
West Ham - 3

Average per game = 2.05 goals per game conceded. 

Fair assessment to say that the list vs Pope is tougher opponents given most of CL games in that period. The big standout for me is there's only 1 game we conceded over 2 goals with Pope and we where abysmal that day vs Brighton, Pope included, but without him it's happened 9 times, conceding over 2 goals 43% of our games without him is absurd! I've been a big critic of Pope for his kicking and I do think it's an issue but it's very clear he's a huge miss for us and he's levels and levels above Dubravka. 

 

 

Edited March 31 by mondonewc

[Dr Jinx]

34 minutes ago, Yorkie said:

 

So he was accountable for us being 3-1 down but the players/opposition were accountable for the comeback. Sound, no agenda here then.

I’ve made no secret of it that I don’t think he’s the right person to take us to the next level. I still like him though, it’s not even comparable to the tossers we’ve had in that role over the years. But the way we’ve fallen off defensively has been and continues to be shocking there’s been no improvement there for months. So yes, he’s accountable for those soft goals we gave away.

 

West Ham bottled that game yesterday and Philips coming on was the catalyst.

 

2 moments of absolute brilliance saved us.. (Isak's pass and Barnes’ strike) - how much of that is down to Howe’s coaching or were those players already well capable of doing that before they came here?

 

I didn’t see any masterful tactical change that turned the game. Did you?

 

 

[Shearergol]

46 minutes ago, Yorkie said:

 

So he was accountable for us being 3-1 down but the players/opposition were accountable for the comeback. Sound, no agenda here then.

we needed our 2nd manager to take control at half time. Or do we need 3 for 30 minutes each?

[Yorkie]

46 minutes ago, Dr Jinx said:

I’ve made no secret of it that I don’t think he’s the right person to take us to the next level. I still like him though, it’s not even comparable to the tossers we’ve had in that role over the years. But the way we’ve fallen off defensively has been and continues to be shocking there’s been no improvement there for months. So yes, he’s accountable for those soft goals we gave away.

 

West Ham bottled that game yesterday and Philips coming on was the catalyst.

 

2 moments of absolute brilliance saved us.. (Isak's pass and Barnes’ strike) - how much of that is down to Howe’s coaching or were those players already well capable of doing that before they came here?

 

I didn’t see any masterful tactical change that turned the game. Did you?

 

No one in their right mind would deny that we've got massive issues defensively, brought on by a desperate injury situation. 

 

But everything bad = Howe / everything good = players is just a stupid and narrow-minded way to analyse the game. For a start, I'd say the rescue was most accountable to the incredible mentality of the squad, which Howe is massively responsible for. 

[Gallowgate Toon]

Our move for the equaliser was class and it appeared coordinated and not just excellently executed. I actually think it's one of my favourite goals of the season by us.

 

Bruno and Longstaff making the box shape opening up space ahead of the midfield, perfect positioning of Barnes and Gordon to pick up striker positions as Isak dropped in, followed by excellent runs. Good width provided by Murphy and Anderson too in case needed.

[huss9]

we weren't horrendous first half, just not anywhere near our best.

isak and gordon missed decent chances and bruno hit the bar.

didnt see west ham create clear cut chances at the other end - just their goal and when burn nudged kudus off the ball preventing him getting ito the box.

[SUPERTOON]

Just now, huss9 said:

we weren't horrendous first half, just not anywhere near our best.

isak and gordon missed decent chances and bruno hit the bar.

didnt see west ham create clear cut chances at the other end - just their goal and when burn nudged kudus off the ball preventing him getting ito the box.

We weren’t horrendous but we don’t ever seem to have control of a match anymore. 

[huss9]

1 minute ago, SUPERTOON said:

We weren’t horrendous but we don’t ever seem to have control of a match anymore. 

i agree but people saying we were shite and horrendous first half is a slight overreaction.

 

[SUPERTOON]

1 minute ago, huss9 said:

i agree but people saying we were shite and horrendous first half is a slight overreaction.

 

Absolutely, the Lascelles injury didn’t help, we took 15/20 minutes or so to settle after that. Think Howe got it wrong with the sub at the time which he pretty much admitted afterwards.

[Yorkie]

2 minutes ago, SUPERTOON said:

We weren’t horrendous but we don’t ever seem to have control of a match anymore. 

 

Think that's a fair comment but most of the time that is due to how crazily vulnerable we are in transition. I still think we usually play pretty well in possession and appear in control (as was the case in the first half yesterday), which is demonstrated by the amount of goals we score. But you just know we're going to concede, usually more than once. 

 

Sometimes even scoring 4 isn't enough but we're canny value for money, if nothing else. Just the 114 goals for and against so far this season.  By a distance the most out of anyone in the league.

[HaydnNUFC]

On another day we score 6 yesterday. Isak and Longstaff have got to score those chances at 1-3. Especially Longstaff, miss was of hilarious levels of shitness.

 

We created so many chances yesterday. Hit the bar first half as well. Just felt our passing was a bit off first half and Dubravka's indecisiveness is an enormous hindrance and costs us goals regularly. Just not at the required level.

[Cronky]

From West Ham's point of view it was a classic case of relaxing too much after going into a two-goal lead. The danger is that the opposition throws everything into attack, gets a goal back, and then the momentum of the game is entirely changed. Once we got that goal, we looked like winners.

 

Last season, our back five always seemed better than the sum of its parts, and that was down to Eddie's preparation. This season, there's been a lot of chopping and changing due to injuries, and the vulnerability of some individuals has been exposed - in particular their lack of pace.

 

There's a lot of speculation about whether Eddie can take us to the 'next level', but our available squad this season hasn't looked anything like the 'next level'. 

[Bimpy474]

I'm still backing Eddie. He's still learning and he does need to develop tactically, but how else does a manager who's never competed at the top end of the league, or against European clubs do that. He does it by playing as we have, in European competitions and being competitive in the top half of the Premier League.

 

He gains experience and hopefully that transmits to the team and what we do next season. He'll evaluate how things went and i've no doubt adjust for 24/25. Now i get those adjustments can be doubted at the moment, but he deserves the chance to show us he has developed his managerial skill set. And with improvements in the squad, because as much as we love a lot of them, a fair few are players who need to be upgraded.

 

And with the big scummy 6 and their unfair stranglehold on anyone getting near them and sustaining it, it's not a short road.

And if he doesn't do the above ? Then he'll regrettably get replaced.

 

 

Edited March 31 by Bimpy474

[Zero]

The attacking side is actually quite encouraging. Gordon and Isak are just on fire. Bruno is still controlling and creating chance as usual. Longstaff still making good runs. We still have our best player (Trippier) out and you have to give credit to Howe and the players to be able to score 4 goals.  If they are not held back by our lack of support from LB, we should be able to score even more.

 

And that’s why I am just so fucking furious about the cheap goals conceded. You can see Gordon need to sacrifice his ankle twice to win penalty (X2), you can see Isak playing like a world beater, and then you can see our defense line (or even the whole team) committing school boy error and ruins all the work done. The first goal conceded yesterday is ridiculous. The second goal is simply unacceptable at any level. Where the fuck is the communication about the position before taking the corner? It’s like playing against amateur level AI in FC24. 
 

We have been like this for months. I may be too critical for this because I am a defender in real life, but I really think this is close to the worst defence I have ever seen as a supporter of Newcastle. Injury is really not an excuse. It’s the defence discipline that is lacking everywhere. Howe has absolutely no excuse for this poor defense display, so as some of the players.

 

 

Edited March 31 by Zero

[Tiresias]

defence isn't working at all, and doesnt show sign of improvement, albeit also so disrupted by injury there are reasons but would still expect some more improvement than there has been. It's also so weird considering how good we were last season. I do think Joelinton and Pope are huge losses and maybe just impossible to replace at all in terms of their defensive contributions, however I do think Longstaff is playing below his level, he gets slagged off a bunch on here sometimes justifiably but he has played better than he is right now, maybe for lack of help but still. He has muscled the ball off teams pressed well and worked well in transition before and here he is giving ball away waaaay too much, i know technical stuff never his game but feels too eager to take risks sometimes.

[TBG]

Would be nice if we could put out a consistent back 5 instead of changing every other game mind.

[splinter]

Got to give Eddie time considering  the injuries. ALL season long as well as tonali.Its exciting going to watch this team to what we endured before.given time I'm sure he can be our manager for years.