Eddie Howe

[ExiledGeordie]

I was disappointed not to see Livramento start at RB and while I think Howe got it wrong in terms of how he set the team up he was let down by the players last night who were god awful in possession. Team was out thought and out fought by Palace. 

[Bally21]

Didn't watch or listen to it. Sounds like we were really poor. How did Howe set the team up????

[Begbie]

8 minutes ago, Bally21 said:

Didn't watch or listen to it. Sounds like we were really poor. How did Howe set the team up????

We got the tactics wrong from the start, the players looked like they have just runned a marathon the day before. We were slow in everything we did.. You did the right thing to not watch or listen to the game yesterday. 

[Mikky]

4 minutes ago, Begbie said:

We got the tactics wrong from the start, the players looked like they have just runned a marathon the day before. We were slow in everything we did.. You did the right thing to not watch or listen to the game yesterday. 

This - the biggest issue I have away from home is our lack of ability to keep the ball - at home we have a style, it works, away from home we look all at sea - there are certain players we carry who aren’t good enough 

[ExiledGeordie]

6 minutes ago, Mikky said:

This - the biggest issue I have away from home is our lack of ability to keep the ball - at home we have a style, it works, away from home we look all at sea - there are certain players we carry who aren’t good enough 

There’s also been a few times where we’ve had a good break and rest and still turned up and been crap in the next game.

[Lush Vlad]

29 minutes ago, ExiledGeordie said:

There’s also been a few times where we’ve had a good break and rest and still turned up and been crap in the next game.

I feel like it happened last season. We all thought a break or back to one game a week would do us a favour. As Howe is supposedly so good on the training pitch. But we often looked flat and disjointed. Might be imagining that, mind. 
 

From an injuries point of view. The break came at a good time. But not for momentum. Palace looked so confident and up for it last night. We were a shell or our usual selves. Reminded me of all the dreadful performances in December and January in one way or another. 

 

[SUPERTOON]

Tino only on the bench in case of an emergency (Ankle still injured) so obviously understandable why he didn’t play. It is strange that he bought him on during the Spurs game when we where winning comfortably though.

[Lush Vlad]

49 minutes ago, Mikky said:

This - the biggest issue I have away from home is our lack of ability to keep the ball - at home we have a style, it works, away from home we look all at sea - there are certain players we carry who aren’t good enough 

I know other teams manage it with so called lesser players. But I feel like a team with only Schar and Bruno being comfortable on the ball deep or in our first two thirds of the pitch. Is always going to struggle. Anderson tried, but it was not his night at all. Couldn’t get to grips with pace of it and seemed unsure about where he was supposed to be playing. 
 

I found the insistence to try and pass round the press mind blowingly stupid. So much of last night felt self-inflicted. 
 

It gave them something to build on, it put the weaker players in our team under pressure from the first minute and it got their crowd right up for it. In some ways, very similar to what we do to teams at SJP when they continually try and play out. 

[joeyt]

No surprise our three best performances of the league season have been against teams playing kamikaze high lines which we can exploit (Villa twice and Spurs)

 

So disappointed in the performance and tactics last night

[Away Toon]

We really lack technically competent players and yet both Hall and Livramento are among the best technicians at the club and yet they hardly play.
 

I worry if Eddie gets his way in the transfer market that he'll continue to prioritize athletes over more technical players.

[Begbie]

57 minutes ago, Mikky said:

This - the biggest issue I have away from home is our lack of ability to keep the ball - at home we have a style, it works, away from home we look all at sea - there are certain players we carry who aren’t good enough 

Yeah I totally agree. You could argue that we are playing with our 2nd/3rd choices at many positions and thats why they cant keep the ball. But I think we lack the intensity to win the ball back and put press on teams, I would have thought our 2nd/3rd choices would run their asses off to try to become 1st team players. 

[Holloway]

Back four set up was flawed imo, can't accept that we'd be any weaker with Hall starting at lb and Burn cb. That said it's not on Eddie that it was a struggle for them to execute a simple pass under a bit of pressure. can't wait for the return of Trippier, he brings so much in the way of creativity and organisation.

[RS]

Burn at left back means we always have a cracking chance of getting beat. I cannot see the the reasoning behind Howe’s thinking on this. Especially after he’s put in some solid performances at CB.
Another baffling team set up that ended in yet another predictable away defeat. 

[buzza]

I think our defence are petrified to pass it back to Dubs, it really showed last night where we needed an "extra" man at the back (keeper) and it was just not there. he is dog with the ball at his feet and makes our job a lot harder if we don´t have that extra outlet...

When receiving a pass his control of the ball makes him need the extra half second and then his weight on the passes .

Oh well... come on Popey! get well soon!

[Away Toon]

Pope is even worse than Dubravka with his feet, there are lots of reasons why we need him back but his distribution from the back isn't one of them.

[Erikse]

3 hours ago, Away Toon said:

We really lack technically competent players and yet both Hall and Livramento are among the best technicians at the club and yet they hardly play.
 

I worry if Eddie gets his way in the transfer market that he'll continue to prioritize athletes over more technical players.

 

When they were parking the bus in the start of the second half yesterday, you just knew it was over. We are still having so much trouble doing anything against that, and hard work is not enough in those scenarios. We need technical players to beat it.

 

 

Edited April 25 by Erikse

[timnufc22]

4 hours ago, Lush Vlad said:

I know other teams manage it with so called lesser players. But I feel like a team with only Schar and Bruno being comfortable on the ball deep or in our first two thirds of the pitch. Is always going to struggle. Anderson tried, but it was not his night at all. Couldn’t get to grips with pace of it and seemed unsure about where he was supposed to be playing. 
 

I found the insistence to try and pass round the press mind blowingly stupid. So much of last night felt self-inflicted. 
 

It gave them something to build on, it put the weaker players in our team under pressure from the first minute and it got their crowd right up for it. In some ways, very similar to what we do to teams at SJP when they continually try and play out. 

 

It's symptomatic of the way football has gone; everyone is obsessed with passing out from the back regardless if the players in question aren't great on the ball under the pressure and regardless how dangerous it is to lose the ball in such area's. It's like managers have been brainwashed into thinking its the right and only way of playing - despite literally giving up massive chances to the opponent as a consequence. I get the idea, I get how it can work and I get 'sticking to your principles'/plan. But surely at times common sense and nous comes into play aswell.

 

When under pressure and in dangerous area's we should have been hitting the ball down the channels to use Isak's pace and get up the pitch. Keep their defenders honest. There are basics of football that wont ever be taken away, they're just being ignored at the moment. Defenders have it so easy these days (off the ball anyway) because everything is played in front of them. Does my head in and I hope this cycle comes to an end and teams start playing with more tactical flexibility and common sense.

[Guybrush]

3 minutes ago, timnufc22 said:

 

It's symptomatic of the way football has gone; everyone is obsessed with passing out from the back regardless if the players in question aren't great on the ball under the pressure and regardless how dangerous it is to lose the ball in such area's. It's like managers have been brainwashed into thinking its the right and only way of playing - despite literally giving up massive chances to the opponent as a consequence. I get the idea, I get how it can work and I get 'sticking to your principles'/plan. But surely at times common sense and nous comes into play aswell.

 

When under pressure and in dangerous area's we should have been hitting the ball down the channels to use Isak's pace and get up the pitch. Keep their defenders honest. There are basics of football that wont ever be taken away, they're just being ignored at the moment. Defenders have it so easy these days (off the ball anyway) because everything is played in front of them. Does my head in and I hope this cycle comes to an end and teams start playing with more tactical flexibility and common sense.

 

Nowt to add except to say I enjoyed this take and I would like to a team try it in practice.

[Jimburst]

13 minutes ago, timnufc22 said:

 

It's symptomatic of the way football has gone; everyone is obsessed with passing out from the back regardless if the players in question aren't great on the ball under the pressure and regardless how dangerous it is to lose the ball in such area's. It's like managers have been brainwashed into thinking its the right and only way of playing - despite literally giving up massive chances to the opponent as a consequence. I get the idea, I get how it can work and I get 'sticking to your principles'/plan. But surely at times common sense and nous comes into play aswell.

 

When under pressure and in dangerous area's we should have been hitting the ball down the channels to use Isak's pace and get up the pitch. Keep their defenders honest. There are basics of football that wont ever be taken away, they're just being ignored at the moment. Defenders have it so easy these days (off the ball anyway) because everything is played in front of them. Does my head in and I hope this cycle comes to an end and teams start playing with more tactical flexibility and common sense.

 

Fab hits long diagonal balls to our speedy wingers all the time.

[timnufc22]

2 minutes ago, Jimburst said:

 

Fab hits long diagonal balls to our speedy wingers all the time.

 

Usually when he has time on the ball and the opposition have pushed up. I mean when we're deep into/next to our box getting pressed like mad. Last night we were still trying to intricate passing when that was happening, playing hospital balls and giving up big chances to Palace. It's self destructive. I get if you're Man City but we don't have their players to pull that off. It's like there's a snobbery towards clearing your lines. 

[Jimburst]

I agree with your point, I just don't think we're totally wedded to 'passing it out from the back'. I think we were unusually bad under pressure last night. We also kicked it long and it came straight back at us.

[Smal]

we pass out from the back less than most teams in the division.

[PauloGeordio]

 

[RS]

Horse-shit

[Erikse]

So either the gap between games is too small, or it's too big? Not sure about that haha. If it was like 3 weeks off, then I would kind of get it, but I'd rather have 11 days off than the 4 days off Palace had.