ElDiablo Posted September 21 Share Posted September 21 Silva taught him a lesson on team shape and transitions today. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lotus Posted September 21 Share Posted September 21 Got a lot of time for EH. One things that's bothered me since our good season, it seemed the basis was on over running and over powering teams. With that we frightened them into making mistakes and we capitalised well. I think the whole 'flog yourself til you die - every game' mentality has a limited lifespan. Especially among very good players. Because if you're noticeably better than the average Prem pro you shouldn't have to kill yourself to win or draw. That's where your talent should pay off. Tactically I'm not sure we've consistentley cute and improving. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Upthemags Posted September 21 Share Posted September 21 Just now, Shelveys Hair said: Had read Bunce (the performance director) had advised Eddie not to make training so intense to avoid injuries, it's probably why some of the players don't look fit. This Mitchell and Bunce combo seems only to have halted progress, maybe they need to fk off back to the farmers league. You know Mitchell directed sporting operations for Tottenham, right? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitley mag Posted September 21 Share Posted September 21 No patterns of play, reliance on widemen who just constantly come inside, could drive a bus through our midfield, can’t retain the ball, look fragile at the back and no composure in final 3rd. Not sure where he starts to be honest, we just rely on that bit of magic constantly to bail us out, the biggest crime is we’ve got one of the best strikers in the league starved of service and isolated constantly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andycap Posted September 21 Share Posted September 21 2 minutes ago, arnonel said: Everything is bad Everyone is bad. Ignore that we are 4th best team since he arrived Pope. Gone Gordon. Already at Liverpool Schar bad. Bruno bad. Everyone bad. We have the worst team. The worst manager. Trouble in the board. Even the Saudis hate us Where is our stadium. How did I do? Bed wetting enough? You happy with the way we've been playing like? The signs have been there for over a season unfit players not playing with intensity no more, defence starting to leak at a crazy rate midfield getting bypassed with minimum effort. Playing favourites instead of your in form players. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingArthur Posted September 21 Share Posted September 21 (edited) Our defence is going to hammered by better teams. To be honest even today we could have got something out of this. Edited September 21 by KingArthur Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PauloGeordio Posted September 21 Share Posted September 21 Just now, KingArthur said: Our defence is going to hammered by better teams. Good job we haven’t got City next in the league……… Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazzaschicken Posted September 21 Share Posted September 21 We need an out and out CDM Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted September 21 Share Posted September 21 4 minutes ago, ElDiablo said: Silva taught him a lesson on team shape and transitions today. For the first time in 9 attempts. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeyt Posted September 21 Share Posted September 21 The worrying sign is our away performances have been like this for 12 months now and he's still not got us playing any better in that time Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myleftboot Posted September 21 Share Posted September 21 Just now, Gazzaschicken said: We need an out and out CDM Think everyone’s been saying that for a couple of years. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Butcher Posted September 21 Share Posted September 21 Limited Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledGeordie Posted September 21 Share Posted September 21 Just now, joeyt said: The worrying sign is our away performances have been like this for 12 months now and he's still not got us playing any better in that time Yeah we’ve been turgid away from home Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andycap Posted September 21 Share Posted September 21 Got a feeling a lot of fans are gonna scapegoat Mitchell and Bunce for Eddie's mistakes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nufc123 Posted September 21 Share Posted September 21 9 minutes ago, arnonel said: Everything is bad Everyone is bad. Ignore that we are 4th best team since he arrived Pope. Gone Gordon. Already at Liverpool Schar bad. Bruno bad. Everyone bad. We have the worst team. The worst manager. Trouble in the board. Even the Saudis hate us Where is our stadium. How did I do? Bed wetting enough? No need for that Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lotus Posted September 21 Share Posted September 21 Just now, Kid Icarus said: For the first time in 9 attempts. Tbf they played better than us last season until we scored. They looked pretty good until then. They do have (on paper) inferior players tbd. Oh well... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PauloGeordio Posted September 21 Share Posted September 21 Just now, joeyt said: The worrying sign is our away performances have been like this for 12 months now and he's still not got us playing any better in that time Can he? Genuine question. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
J7 Posted September 21 Share Posted September 21 6 minutes ago, Shelveys Hair said: Had read Bunce (the performance director) had advised Eddie not to make training so intense to avoid injuries, it's probably why some of the players don't look fit. This Mitchell and Bunce combo seems only to have halted progress, maybe they need to fk off back to the farmers league. Where’d you read this? Loony Toons Twitter? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Posted September 21 Share Posted September 21 9 minutes ago, TheBrownBottle said: The big concern is the drop-off in intensity - I wonder if the lesson learned from last season is that that style just creates a long injury list The way I see it, in that champions league season, that intense press was often lead by Wilson, Almiron and both Joe's from the left. Trippier pressed high from fullback too, and Botman and Schar defended from the halfway line allowing Bruno to push on. I don't think Isak, Gordon and Barnes press as efficiently as the front three from that season - Barnes isn't that kind of player, and Gordon is a bit of a headless chicken that just does it in bursts, I think Almiron for all his flaws presses with more intelligence and cuts the passing lanes off better. Isak is a lot more passive than Wilson. The midfield are badly exposed because the forward line is easier to play through and the defensive line is a lot deeper, probably due to ageing legs back there and fear of getting caught out. That's where a natural DM would probably help, but we don't really have one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Decky Posted September 21 Share Posted September 21 I never understand why people come on into threads like this on their high horse and slate people for rightly criticising the way we've played recently. All this bed wetting, and welcome to NO stuff is stupid. This is a forum for discussion, we're allowed to criticise Howe, the players, anyone and anything whenever things are bad. Sure we may as well just lock all the threads in the football section until we win again at this rate. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shelveys Hair Posted September 21 Share Posted September 21 (edited) bolloxed post Edited September 21 by Shelveys Hair Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeyt Posted September 21 Share Posted September 21 Two games in a row he's made multiple half time changes after we've had 3 years of him barely ever making them. Gordon and Barnes swapped wings incredibly early today. I love him but he's clearly struggling to work out our most effective team. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PauloGeordio Posted September 21 Share Posted September 21 Just now, Decky said: I never understand why people come on into threads like this on their high horse and slate people for rightly criticising the way we've played recently. All this bed wetting, and welcome to NO stuff is stupid. This is a forum for discussion, we're allowed to criticise Howe, the players, anyone and anything whenever things are bad. Sure we may as well just lock all the threads in the football section until we win again at this rate. Might be better for your mental health Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted September 21 Share Posted September 21 6 minutes ago, Lotus said: Got a lot of time for EH. One things that's bothered me since our good season, it seemed the basis was on over running and over powering teams. With that we frightened them into making mistakes and we capitalised well. I think the whole 'flog yourself til you die - every game' mentality has a limited lifespan. Especially among very good players. Because if you're noticeably better than the average Prem pro you shouldn't have to kill yourself to win or draw. That's where your talent should pay off. Tactically I'm not sure we've consistentley cute and improving. I think good strong boys can keep that up. I look at Arsenal and they have that mentality now. They lose the ball they all burst back into shape. They win the physical battle then the quality will shine. On paper we aren’t that much better than Fulham or most of the league. But we’ve lost that mental edge. We lose the ball and the lads amble back. The press is laboured. That does lie on Howe. Lads don’t look motivated. Don’t look physically fit. And he has the same tactical/setup weaknesses we’ve had for a long time. That bit of tactical stubbornness or limitation I’ve charged it to the game and it’s almost forgivable. But the lack of work rate and physicality and ability in transition isn’t. That’s Howe’s USP for me. That’s the point of a team with Joelinton, Willock, Longstaff, Barnes, Gordon, Isak, Tonali, Murphy, Livramento. It’s meant to outrun other teams and we haven’t don’t that once this season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shelveys Hair Posted September 21 Share Posted September 21 6 minutes ago, Upthemags said: You know Mitchell directed sporting operations for Tottenham, right? So? These 2 come in and one interferes in training and we don't look fit at all, the other cocks up transfers over his ego. Intensity is what our game is about and without it we're bang average.. to keep it up we need to be fit as fk. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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