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That Lucky lad might be on to something. Have two managers with wildly different styles then each week keep secret who will be managing the next game so the other team can't prepare. Have both come out of the tunnel and once the opening kickoff happens one heads back to the changing room.....or he's on something maybe.  ;)

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10 hours ago, 80 said:

I think everyone who seems to be shocked and frightened by our recent games should do themselves a favour. 

 

Go back and watch 3 games from November and December last season - West Ham at home, Crystal Palace away and Brentford away, along with Eddie's post match interviews. I was really concerned he himself thought he was at the end of the road - our performances were worse in those games than they are now.

 

Against Palace we registered no shots on goal. Not no shots on target, literally no shots at all. Guehi scored an early own goal for us and that was it.

 

Then watch any number of games that came later. Arsenal away in the League Cup Semi 1st leg was precisely one month after the Brentford game. Maybe Aston Villa at home - a 3-0 win three weeks after Brentford. Finish it off with the League Cup final along with the celebrations, which was three months after Eddie looked like a dead man walking.

 

It should give perspective. History seems to be getting rewritten that we've never seen anything like this before.

 

Issue with this, before that we showed some promise. This season, there's been fuck all from word go (outside of the effort shown in Liverpool/Barca games at home). So it's not like he has a base this season to fall back on as an example, every game in the Prem has been a complete slog and nothing redeemable (Forest 2nd half only positive).

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4 minutes ago, LionOfGosforth said:

 

If you've been a fan for longer than the past 5 years, as we all have on here. I don't know how you can be anything other than delighted and amazed at what we've achieved under Howe. Wanting to bin that due to a potential down season (whose outcome is still far from known and could still yet be anything at all as last season proved), is a path to uncertainty and zero guarantees of anything as many other clubs have regularly shown.

 

As a fan of close to 50 years, I can guarantee you it can be a whole lot worse than being in the QF of the league cup, cruising along in the CL and being a bit flat in the league. Once the injuries clear up, I am personally confident we get on a run. Maybe i'm a glass half full type.


I’m 45 years old and have followed this team since I was 12 during the promotion season. Not a glory hunter.


I’ve been there through Keegan, Dalgish, Gullit, Robson, Souness, Roeder, TCA, KKmk2, JFK (&Shearer), Hughton, Pardew, McClaren, Rafa, Bruce and now Howe.

 

He’s up there with the best we’ve had. No doubting that. He’s also had money to spend that most of the others could only dream of.

 

What Rafa achieved with what he had trumps what Eddie did with the players he has had at his disposal, imho.. you can’t compare those squads.

 

But he also plays more attacking football. Where I see him coming up short compared to Rafa is how he could make a plan for each match, everything was fine tuned. He was far more tactically astute and adaptable. 

 

Am taking none of this for granted by the way.
 

We all suffered for fucking years while that cunt owned the club. I never thought we’d win something.

 

Eddie has given a lot to achieve what he has with us. I’m not taking anything away from that. But sometimes a manager just goes as far as he can with something - I think that’s what we’re seeing this season. I hope I’m wrong because in terms of liking a manager, he’s there with KK, SBR and Rafa. But I’ve seen plenty come and go to know the signs of when something isn’t working anymore.
 

The other side of it is that we have an an interested ownership right now who will invest. How long will that last if we start sliding back?

 

There’s so much at stake to just be indifferent about having a league season like we are.

 

And yeah we’re in the cups.. but can you really see us winning the CL? I’m enjoying the experience but all I see that as at the moment is £££ per win and a chance to play some huge clubs.

 

There’s a chance in the league cup but City are also right in there and I think they will win the league this season. It’ll be a big ask to beat them if/when we get drawn against them.

 

2 decent cup runs and a mid to lower table finish will be damaging. There’s no other way of getting around that.

 

The main focus should always be on the league.

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21 minutes ago, Sibierski said:

 

Issue with this, before that we showed some promise. This season, there's been fuck all from word go (outside of the effort shown in Liverpool/Barca games at home). So it's not like he has a base this season to fall back on as an example, every game in the Prem has been a complete slog and nothing redeemable (Forest 2nd half only positive).

No we didn't, we were dogshit for ages against any team that wasn't looking to dominate and destroy us.

 

Our only reliable methodology for scoring goals was flailing like a drunken sailor from about February 2024 onwards. Schar and Burn appeared to be our most effective strike partnership. The team functioning better with Longstaff over Tonali was an active conversation.

 

We picked up loads of lucky points at the beginning of last season which kept us afloat e.g. Wolves away, with our expected points figure looking horrible. There were plenty of people who said they were blind to the problems, but they were there.

 

 

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7 minutes ago, Lucky said:


I’m 45 years old and have followed this team since I was 12 during the promotion season. Not a glory hunter.


I’ve been there through Keegan, Dalgish, Gullit, Robson, Souness, Roeder, TCA, KKmk2, JFK (&Shearer), Hughton, Pardew, McClaren, Rafa, Bruce and now Howe.

 

He’s up there with the best we’ve had. No doubting that. He’s also had money to spend that most of the others could only dream of.

 

What Rafa achieved with what he had trumps what Eddie did with the players he has had at his disposal, imho.. you can’t compare those squads.

 

But he also plays more attacking football. Where I see him coming up short compared to Rafa is how he could make a plan for each match, everything was fine tuned. He was far more tactically astute and adaptable. 

 

Am taking none of this for granted by the way.
 

We all suffered for fucking years while that cunt owned the club. I never thought we’d win something.

 

Eddie has given a lot to achieve what he has with us. I’m not taking anything away from that. But sometimes a manager just goes as far as he can with something - I think that’s what we’re seeing this season. I hope I’m wrong because in terms of liking a manager, he’s there with KK, SBR and Rafa. But I’ve seen plenty come and go to know the signs of when something isn’t working anymore.
 

The other side of it is that we have an an interested ownership right now who will invest. How long will that last if we start sliding back?

 

There’s so much at stake to just be indifferent about having a league season like we are.

 

And yeah we’re in the cups.. but can you really see us winning the CL? I’m enjoying the experience but all I see that as at the moment is £££ per win and a chance to play some huge clubs.

 

There’s a chance in the league cup but City are also right in there and I think they will win the league this season. It’ll be a big ask to beat them if/when we get drawn against them.

 

2 decent cup runs and a mid to lower table finish will be damaging. There’s no other way of getting around that.

 

The main focus should always be on the league.

A bit like when you called Howe a spent force in 23/24? 

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39 minutes ago, Myleftboot said:

So who do you think would do a better job than Eddie Howe?


It’s a small list of elite managers who we might be able to tempt here.

 

Ancelotti, Zidane (way less likely but he’s not in a job currently) and maybe Conte.

 

Ancelotti would be the smart choice and I don’t see his stint with Brazil being long term.

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5 minutes ago, NEEJ said:

A bit like when you called Howe a spent force in 23/24? 


I criticised him and he did turn it around. But we also had a better team last year.


Right now, all hopes are pinned on Wissa making an impact. 

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6 minutes ago, Lucky said:


It’s a small list of elite managers who we might be able to tempt here.

 

Ancelotti, Zidane (way less likely but he’s not in a job currently) and maybe Conte.

 

Ancelotti would be the smart choice and I don’t see his stint with Brazil being long term.

 

And you think Ancelotti will get us top 3 results with a top 8 budget? Otherwise you'll want him sacked I assume? 

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20 minutes ago, 80 said:

No we didn't, we were dogshit for ages against any team that wasn't looking to dominate and destroy us.

 

Our only reliable methodology for scoring goals was flailing like a drunken sailor from about February 2024 onwards. Schar and Burn appeared to be our most effective strike partnership. The team functioning better with Longstaff over Tonali was an active conversation.

 

We picked up loads of lucky points at the beginning of last season which kept us afloat e.g. Wolves away, with our expected points figure looking horrible. There were plenty of people who said they were blind to the problems, but they were there.

 

 

 


We created a hatful of chances in the first half against Brighton and West Ham last season. And within that run of games you’ve posted you omitted the 3-3 against Liverpool which immediately preceded Brentford. Brighton and West Ham devolved into shambolic messes in the second half, though that can be put down to lack of options on the bench to change things.

 

We did struggle with chance creation and ball retention early last season though. It took until mid December for it marry up for a period. But it’s been shite again since mid April. People are getting jittery and tbf imo rightly critical of performances from both players and the manager like they were then. Hopefully a run happens again but that’s based on nothing currently as chance creation isn’t there atm and we do have squad options currently.

 

 

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12 minutes ago, Lucky said:


It’s a small list of elite managers who we might be able to tempt here.

 

Ancelotti, Zidane (way less likely but he’s not in a job currently) and maybe Conte.

 

Ancelotti would be the smart choice and I don’t see his stint with Brazil being long term.

 

Pipe dreams and no fucking thanks to Conte, there's never been a more short-term manager in PL history.

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3 minutes ago, HaydnNUFC said:


We created a hatful of chances in the first half against Brighton and West Ham last season. And within that run of games you’ve posted you omitted the 3-3 against Liverpool which immediately preceded Brentford. Brighton and West Ham devolved into shambolic messes in the second half, though that can be put down to lack of options on the bench to change things.

 

We did struggle with chance creation and ball retention early last season though. It took until mid December for it marry up for a period. But it’s been shite again since mid April. People are getting jittery and tbf imo rightly critical of performances from both players and the manager like they were then. Hopefully a run happens again but that’s based on nothing currently as chance creation isn’t there atm and we do have squad options currently.

 

 

 

Not based on nothing at all. It’s been a total Howe trend.

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1 minute ago, Vinny Green Balls said:

Not based on nothing at all. It’s been a total Howe trend.

People are now calling him streaky. But having a striker who scored 44 goals in 64 games was a massive cheat code. And having a player the quality of Tonali to integrate.

 

We don't have those same levers this season. We have Wissa who I think is a massive lever to make us better. Maybe Wolte at 10 will be a gamechanger too. I don't see any other players have the ability to come into the side and give us a new dimension.

 

Maybe being able to rest Big Joe will bring the return of The Shield when we want to wheel it out.

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6 minutes ago, Vinny Green Balls said:

Not based on nothing at all. It’s been a total Howe trend.


Just because it happened last season doesn’t mean it will happen again. We were also better earlier last season than we are currently with a thinner squad in spite of no Europe.
 

21-22; post January form down to the signings.

22-23; we were excellent nigh on all season. The run of draws early season was down to various things such as VAR decisions not going our way (goal at home to Palace disallowed, pen not given at Wolves, Isak ‘offside’ at Liverpool). 
23-24; waiting on injuries to ease up post Christmas.

 

A run happened out of nowhere last season and because it happened last season we’re hoping it happens again. That’s dangerously unsustainable to become a thing imo. 

 

 

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1 minute ago, Whitley mag said:

Good watch and makes some very valid points.

 

 

 

He's an arsehole, no thanks, seen enough of his hysterical click-bait shite content to last a lifetime. The headline is enough for me, like a fucking spoilt child. Released a similar one last week which I watched a few minutes of, he couldn't even make his points without stuttering "Here man, we're fucking shite man...and...and...Eddie man...he's lost the plot, we're a disgrace man, fuck me" etc etc.

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8 hours ago, Gallowgate Toon said:

We had these issues with the FBs + Isak up top a fair bit, tbf. I think the pacey striker angle is a little overplayed as it shouldn't fall on one player to push the backline back. Woltemade definitely does need to learn some new movements but how we build-up feels very muddled. We're neither committing to a direct game nor a short build-up game consistently. The organised sides we've been playing go very direct to bypass our press with flat balls from the GK and have had decent success, I'm surprised we've not done this more ourselves while we've been hamstrung with lack of options but Pope can't kick a ball like that. Arsenal did this absolutely loads against us to keep the ball in our half.

 

It's pretty easy for an opposing manager to plan for us at the minute. Funnel their press to our left and either watch us dally which leads to a dink to nowhere or we give it back to Pope who will boot it out of play most of the time. I thought we'd had a eureka moment against Bilbao where we went for more direct angled balls earlier with wingers & midfielders making more runs, but it didn't seem to be on show at all against Brentford.

 

The pace bit was more about giving us the chance to go over the top, or into the channels. Something Big Nick is not suited for. Those options Wissa would give us, as an early ball, out ball etc. Not as an outright tactic, right now we can't mix it up which it would give us. 

 

Everything else, couldn't agree more :thup:

 

 

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10 minutes ago, LionOfGosforth said:

 

He's an arsehole, no thanks, seen enough of his hysterical click-bait shite content to last a lifetime. The headline is enough for me, like a fucking spoilt child. Released a similar one last week which I watched a few minutes of, he couldn't even make his points without stuttering "Here man, we're fucking shite man...and...and...Eddie man...he's lost the plot, we're a disgrace man, fuck me" etc etc.

Each to their own but he’s bang on the money.

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24 minutes ago, Lucky said:


I criticised him and he did turn it around. But we also had a better team last year.


Right now, all hopes are pinned on Wissa making an impact. 

 

Not to mention both FBs coming back to give huge tactical flexibility. Nobody wants an extended run of BDB at LB, it didn't work two years ago and it doesn't work now. He's a CB.

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2 minutes ago, Whitley mag said:

Each to their own but he’s bang on the money.

 

I've watched him on various podcasts on YT in the past and haven't minded him, generally he used that space to defend Newcastle while listening to some awful smug tripe spouted by the Chelsea, Liverpool and City contingent. On his own, it's like he can't articulate at all and just rants and raves. Fair enough, in the heat of the moment, but gather yourself and make your points with a bit of calm integrity if you're going to try to produce thoughtful content. For my money, he's out for as much engagement as possible, which is a pity, he has a platform to do more.

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