Eddie Howe

[NSG]

12 minutes ago, Heron said:

Keegan is arguably more iconic for Newcastle fans and rightly so but in terms of world football no one remembers him for NUFC other than getting beat by Liverpool and losing the title emphatically to Man U.

 

Our name is engraved on a trophy because of Eddie Howe.

 

 

 

That last line is your next Wor Flags banner  

[KennyUtd]

17 minutes ago, duo said:

Leaving him in the Summer without a DOF or CEO was criminal- they have not backed him inJan when the team was crying out for re-enforcements - so yes no support.  

 

 

 

That's just excuses man.

 

[Rod]

3 minutes ago, Jonas said:

Ridiculously spiteful

 

Yeah, I thought the same. Having a dig at Keegan for daring to come runners up to Man Utd.

[ianbeany]

3 minutes ago, TheBrownBottle said:

Also completely untrue - I don’t recollect losing the title ‘emphatically’.  I can still remember the pre-match crack before the final match against Spurs where there was still a small hope of winning the league. 

 

Yep.  If we won and they lost to Middlesbrough we would have won the league 

[Rod]

4 minutes ago, Heron said:

The reality.

 

I adore KK but let's face it. He is the charismatic face of defeat in the PL era.

Oh you are gone in my life now.

[bobbydazzla]

9 minutes ago, Sandrotastico said:

Steve Holland - not intented as a pop at Howe, moreso the team around him.

Shteeve Holland who was at Boro?

 

 

 

 

 

Edited February 7 by bobbydazzla

[TheBrownBottle]

1 minute ago, ianbeany said:

 

Yep.  If we won and they lost to Middlesbrough we would have won the league 

Even a draw down at Boro and a big win for us would’ve done it - effectively, a home win vs Spurs on the same level we had later that year would have done it. 

[Kid Icarus]

3 minutes ago, Erikse said:

 

Not entirely true. They were at 38 points after 25. We're at 33 points. If we're going to match their final score of 66 points, we'd have to win 11 out of our last 13 games.

Every season's points for positions are obviously different and other team's points factor in. 5th this year could need anything from 55 to 70 points because of how mental it is. Villa weren't even at their lowest point at this point last year and were in a much less assailable position than ours.

 

The big difference tbf though, is that they went big in January and we did nothing.

[AyeDubbleYoo]

8 minutes ago, Heron said:

The reality.

 

I adore KK but let's face it. He is the charismatic face of defeat in the PL era.

 

A rare shocking post but it has been a long day so I'm not Heron out yet. 

 

 

Edited February 7 by AyeDubbleYoo

[TheBrownBottle]

1 minute ago, AyeDubbleYoo said:

 

A rare shocking post but it has been a long day so I'm not Heron out yet. 

 

 

 

I’m sure we can all forgive him 😁

[duo]

10 minutes ago, KennyUtd said:

That's just excuses man.

 

It's a fact

[Kid Icarus]

13 minutes ago, bobbydazzla said:

And after 94/95 he had one season where we were immense till Xmas but then we completely fucked up what should have been an unassailable position.

 

And then he was gone by 97 because he’d fallen out of love with the job.

 

I love Keegan but what I see from Howe recently reminds me of Keegan leaving here.

 

 

 

Keegan's a pure wildcard though. He claims that seeing Gerry Francis's face after we beat them 7-1 is what made him quit...which is mental. The more realistic reason is maybe a combination of the stock exchange thing, the ticket bond fuck up, and the realisation that he'd have to rebuild again.

 

With Howe it just seems like he's massively overworked and underappreciated.

 

 

Edited February 7 by Kid Icarus

[Wolfcastle]

28 minutes ago, Kid Icarus said:

Us under Keegan were years I remember vividly and I love the man for what he did, but I'm under no illusion about the advantages he had compared to now.

 

We were massive spenders once we got to the Premier League and the competition at the very top was basically 'beat Man United and you win the league'. The circumstances we had under Keegan not only don't exist but aren't financially possible now.

 

Howe did something in much more difficult circumstances that no Newcastle manager pre-moon landing has achieved. Keegan was the architect of the blueprint for the club, but Howe is it's most successful and triumph-over-adversity engineer of that blueprint by a mile.

 

 

 

Those were advantages that Keegan generated. We were second only to Man United in revenue

It was more competitive than you think. In 1995 think we spent less than Arsenal, Liverpool, Villa and the same as Boro before even factoring in the net sales of Cole and Fox.  It was comparable with a bunch of clubs over the piece including Blackburn.  

 

 

Edited February 7 by Wolfcastle

[JigsawGoesToPieces]

27 minutes ago, duo said:

Leaving him in the Summer without a DOF or CEO was criminal- they have not backed him inJan when the team was crying out for re-enforcements - so yes no support.  

 

 

 

 

Can you say he has not been backed when he is part of the "transfer committee" along with the CEO, SD & Head of Recruitment

 

If he wanted someone he could have pushed for it, he is on record saying the club decided not to sign anyone this month, he would have been involved in that decision.

[Jackie Broon]

18 minutes ago, dcmk said:

 

With the frequency of games he isn't training them everyday though.  That's the issue.

 

When we were dumped out of CL the previous time our form picked up significantly shortly afterwards.  The frequency of fixtures is an issue at the moment and a very big one.

 

He had a full preseason with them and they have played like strangers since the first match.

 

The fundamental differences in that season is that we had some great results and performances and a good run of form before the fatigue an injuries (and possibly the Vermont stuff) affected our form.

 

This season we've been relentlessly shit, even for large periods of the papering over the cracks wins.

 

 

Edited February 7 by Jackie Broon

[bobbydazzla]

Just now, Kid Icarus said:

Keegan's a pure wildcard though. He claims that seeing Gerry Francis's face after we beat them 7-1 is what made him quit...which is mental. The more realistic reason is maybe a combination of the stock exchange thing, the ticket bond fuck up, and the realisation that he'd have to rebuild again.

 

With Howe it just seems like he's massively overworked and underappreciated.

I thought it was very telling that Howe’s response tonight was “I need to work harder” 

 

He’s coming across like a classic workaholic who thinks more hours and more effort will improve performance.
 

When what he actually needs is a break. 

 

 

[Interpolic]

13 minutes ago, Heron said:

The reality.

 

I adore KK but let's face it. He is the charismatic face of defeat in the PL era.

 

He's remembered for orchestrating one of the most entertaining sides ever seen at the top level. One that's still talked about today. Tbh the only side I can recall that is still talked about so widely when they didn't win anything. 

 

We don't need to talk Keegan down to talk Howe up. That said I do think Howe has eclipsed him cos of what KI said. We can't outspend almost everyone in the league anymore. But Keegan was immense. 

[Jesse Pinkman]

57 minutes ago, AyeDubbleYoo said:

 

Sensible. There are so many mitigating factors that I can't see a way to attribute enough blame to Howe to say he should be sacked. Luckily 92% of people on here seem to agree. 

 

With the current situation I think I would ideally just play the same lineup every game and hope that some relationships develop and we start to click more often. However, that's extremely hard to do with things like no good GK, no fit RB of the right standard, 2 major CMs missing etc. 

 

I expect a really hard month coming up but I'd give Howe summer and next season no matter what. Also gives the new execs time to earn their money. 

 

I really hope it doesn't become bad enough that he decides to quit, then we really are in trouble. 

This is the exact sort of thinking Howe has unfortunately and why we are fucked. 

[dcmk]

4 minutes ago, Jackie Broon said:

 

He had a full preseason with them and they have played like strangers since the first match.

 

The fundamental differences in that season is that we had some great results and performances and a good run of form before the fatigue an injuries (and possibly the Vermont stuff) affected our form.

 

This seaso we've been relentlessly shit, even for large periods of the papering over the cracks wins.

 

 

 

He didn't have a pre-season with Woltemade or Wissa at all.

 

He said Woltemade wasnt physical enough and Wissa had bad injury straight away.  We lost one of the best strikers in the world in the summer.  There was transitional factors in there..

 

Us being in so many competitions, whilst nice problem to have, hasnt helped with getting a struggling team on the training ground and improving.

[AyeDubbleYoo]

1 minute ago, Jesse Pinkman said:

This is the exact sort of thinking Howe has unfortunately and why we are fucked. 

 

Que?

[Kid Icarus]

8 minutes ago, Wolfcastle said:

Those were advantages that Keegan generated. We were second only to Man United in revenue

It was more competitive than you think. In 1995 think we spent less than Arsenal, Liverpool, Villa and the same as Boro without factoring in the net sales of Cole and Fox.  It was comparable with a bunch of clubs over the piece including Blackburn.  

If Freddie Fletcher was still alive I reckon he'd be humble about it but point to the revenue streams he produced. That's not underplaying Keegan's role in us being the hot ticket etc, I just mean it was a joint thing, we had a straight shoot at it as well.

 

The competitiveness that I remember was pure spectacle at the start of the season imo, even as a kid I knew it was Man United and then everyone else. It was us, Blackburn, Liverpool competing imo, I never thought Arsenal or Villa, or Leeds, or Boro would win the league, regardless of what they spent.

 

Whereas now those top few are set in stone and even when it isn't, the top dogs can spend and fail and spend and fail again and again. 

 

 

 

 

Edited February 7 by Kid Icarus

[Jesse Pinkman]

1 minute ago, AyeDubbleYoo said:

 

Que?

Just play the same line up and hopes something works. Just keep it the same for the next few years. No point dreaming bigger. 

 

 

Edited February 7 by Jesse Pinkman

[AyeDubbleYoo]

Just now, Jesse Pinkman said:

Just play the same line up and hopes something works. Just keep it the same for the next few years. Not point dreaming bigger. 

 

Except we aren't doing that are we? We're rotating and making changes all the time. 

 

I was just suggesting that giving the same team a run would probably help to build relationships and patterns of play. But it's not really realistic for us with the squad situation and the fixtures we have. 

[Geordie Ahmed]

10 minutes ago, bobbydazzla said:

I thought it was very telling that Howe’s response tonight was “I need to work harder” 

 

He’s coming across like a classic workaholic who thinks more hours and more effort will improve performance.
 

When what he actually needs is a break. 

 

 

 

Unless he said it elsewhere didn't he say he needs to work better rather than harder as he already works as hard as he can?

[Jonas]

29 minutes ago, Heron said:

The reality.

 

I adore KK but let's face it. He is the charismatic face of defeat in the PL era.

Each to their own but to me, he'll always be the man that turned this club from being a second division also ran on their way to the third with a half empty stadium into one of the biggest in Europe playing the best football I've seen in a black and white shirt and going close to winning the title playing that way.

 

 

Edited February 7 by Jonas