Casey Posted March 22 Share Posted March 22 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Shadow Puppets said: Eddie got one or two things wrong today, but the loss in my opinion is firmly to do with certain players completely losing composure under the pressure. We seem to have lost our shithousing spark, and the energy to see out games. I still 100% support the manager, but there are obvious issues that need addressing in the summer. But he deserves a summer of the club’s full support. He’s comfortably the best manager we’ve had in my supporting lifetime, and you don’t throw away 4 years of progress over an up and down season (which can still end “ok”). But then I’m a massive NUFC that doesn’t particularly have that much disdain for Sunderland. I don’t think of them particularly any differently to any other PL team. I hate Man Utd, Liverpool, Chelsea far more. So the notion of losing to them twice is annoying, not good enough, but certainly not the be-all-and-end-all of whether a manager is the right man or not. Always think you give well-measured and balanced takes. Agreed that I think we've lost that spark and our game management / ability to see out games is abysmal. Provably the worst in the league. I do wonder, how come you don't share that feeling (disdain as you put it) that I feel the majority of fans do? Genuinely curious from fan-to-fan. Always wondered about our fans who have this opinion. Edited March 22 by Casey Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antipode23 Posted March 22 Share Posted March 22 (edited) Can we at least try and distinguish between the rabid Eddie out brigade, and his actual reasoned critics? Edited March 22 by Antipode23 Unnecessary sass Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted March 22 Share Posted March 22 Just now, Stottie said: Biggest mitigating factor is two games a week every single week since November. Longest gap has been Tues (Carabao semi)-Sun. Kind of ironic that we now get three weeks off. Stuff like this is inconveniently true imo. It's never accepted as a legitimate excuse like, same thing happened in 23/24. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted March 22 Share Posted March 22 3 minutes ago, Antipode23 said: Most people are unhappy with Eddie for far more than just the two losses to Sunderland. Come on. This is obviously true to some extent but a tricky argument to hang your hat on given how different this thread would be if we’d won. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted March 22 Share Posted March 22 3 minutes ago, astraguy said: Had a kip, Stand by it utter embarrassing fanbase judging by people on here, If the ownership (who are to blame) fold under pressure i'll enjoy our downfall caused yet again (Keegan, Sir Bobby) by our fans The ownership have backed Howe to the hilt so far, so are you blaming them for that as well? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRC Posted March 22 Share Posted March 22 We have also been dropping easy points all season though and giving away leads. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryanegg Posted March 22 Share Posted March 22 Just now, astraguy said: Had a kip, Stand by it utter embarrassing fanbase judging by people on here, If the ownership (who are to blame) fold under pressure i'll enjoy our downfall caused yet again (Keegan, Sir Bobby) by our fans You can’t blame ownership for the same mistakes that are happening on the field. Losing the most points from winning positions in the league isn’t fully down to the ownership. That’s mentally in the squad and/or game management. I’m not fully Eddie out, but the majority of the blame is on him.. not the ownership. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted March 22 Share Posted March 22 (edited) 1 minute ago, TRon said: The ownership have backed Howe to the hilt so far, so are you blaming them for that as well? In what way have they backed him to the hilt? Getting rid of Staveley and Goudoussi. Taking over a year to replace our CEO who was on sick leave for a lot of it, 6 months to replace our DoF while he was hung out to dry in the summer. They're glacial, it's how they are. Edited March 22 by Kid Icarus Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlamourBoys88 Posted March 22 Share Posted March 22 The most concerning thing is how predictable it all is. We just don’t play in a style/ have the playmakers to penetrate low possession teams. This is where I feel Eddie has hit a ceiling. Wolte would be perfect for this, but not sure Eddie knows how to use him effectively. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keegans Export Posted March 22 Share Posted March 22 3 minutes ago, Shadow Puppets said: But then I’m a massive NUFC that doesn’t particularly have that much disdain for Sunderland. I don’t think of them particularly any differently to any other PL team. I hate Man Utd, Liverpool, Chelsea far more. So the notion of losing to them twice is annoying, not good enough, but certainly not the be-all-and-end-all of whether a manager is the right man or not. I agree to an extent. If we lost both derbies but finished 5th I'd be perfectly happy at the end of the season. The opposite if we won both and finished 17th. If we go on a run between now and the end of the season and finish 8th, I'd say this season has been below par but not a disaster. If we end up 11th/12th I'd say that's poor. The individual derby results won't massively shift my opinion on that. However, part of the issue is that these games do matter to a huge percentage of the fanbase and if you can't get a performance out of the players two derby games in a row, questions are going to be asked about your ability to organise and motivate them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ikon Posted March 22 Share Posted March 22 Just now, Shadow Puppets said: Eddie got one or two things wrong today, but the loss in my opinion is firmly to do with certain players completely losing composure under the pressure. We seem to have lost our shithousing spark, and the energy to see out games. I still 100% support the manager, but there are obvious issues that need addressing in the summer. But he deserves a summer of the club’s full support. He’s comfortably the best manager we’ve had in my supporting lifetime, and you don’t throw away 4 years of progress over an up and down season (which can still end “ok”). But then I’m a massive NUFC that doesn’t particularly have that much disdain for Sunderland. I don’t think of them particularly any differently to any other PL team. I hate Man Utd, Liverpool, Chelsea far more. So the notion of losing to them twice is annoying, not good enough, but certainly not the be-all-and-end-all of whether a manager is the right man or not. Personally I’m “ok” with a poor season. I’ve never been Howe out. Having said that though, I’m not so sure he’ll ever change from his “intensity is our identity” kind of philosophy where physicality and transitions is one of the most important priorities for him. Im not sure you can become one of the elite teams without putting a massive importance into things like, control, composure, possession, technical ability and so on. No! I don’t want us to become an endless tikitaka for the sake of it, but I don’t see us evolving unless we’re a more balanced side when it comes to our style. Being able to be in control and keep the ball with creativity too, mixed with transitions and physicality and so on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElDiablo Posted March 22 Share Posted March 22 The last thing we and I think he will want is for things to get toxic. If we show no signs of improvement by the end of the season I wonder whether everyone will agree to a 'mutual decision'. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikky Posted March 22 Share Posted March 22 1 minute ago, Kid Icarus said: Stuff like this is inconveniently true imo. It's never accepted as a legitimate excuse like, same thing happened in 23/24. It’s not so much 2 games a week being the issue - it’s the fact we are littered with average/underperforming players the biggest concern Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antipode23 Posted March 22 Share Posted March 22 Just now, AyeDubbleYoo said: This is obviously true to some extent but a tricky argument to hang your hat on given how different this thread would be if we’d won. If my grandmother had wheels she would've been a bike. How close were we to winning? Or even worse, how close were we to playing well? Fact is, we lost in diabolical fashion as we have done all season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stabmasterareson Posted March 22 Share Posted March 22 23 minutes ago, Jaqen said: Beat City, Villa, Man U with 10 men and Chelsea away recently. Depends if you class those as expected to beat or not I suppose. For some as soon as the takeover happened they've expected us to beat everyone. Losses count in their math, all the other successes are abberant. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramirez Posted March 22 Share Posted March 22 26 minutes ago, Jaqen said: Beat City, Villa, Man U with 10 men and Chelsea away recently. Depends if you class those as expected to beat or not I suppose. Sorry meant in the cup. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miggys First Goal Posted March 22 Share Posted March 22 How many points have we dropped from a winning position this season? Must be some record. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted March 22 Share Posted March 22 1 minute ago, Mikky said: It’s not so much 2 games a week being the issue - it’s the fact we are littered with average/underperforming players the biggest concern Players do tend to look like that when they're knackered and/or bedding in. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Decky Posted March 22 Share Posted March 22 6 minutes ago, astraguy said: Had a kip, Stand by it utter embarrassing fanbase judging by people on here, If the ownership (who are to blame) fold under pressure i'll enjoy our downfall caused yet again (Keegan, Sir Bobby) by our fans We're losing games because of coaching and tactics, that isn't the owners. We need a new training ground and maybe a new stadium but outside of that the owners supported Howe massively in the transfer window last summer, we spent a fortune. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mouldy_uk Posted March 22 Share Posted March 22 Just now, Stottie said: Biggest mitigating factor is two games a week every single week since November. Longest gap has been Tues (Carabao semi)-Sun. Kind of ironic that we now get three weeks off. I honestly think it is as simple as that. We’ve had the heaviest schedule and most miles covered compared to pretty much any team this calendar year. Even the strongest of squads are going to struggle, let alone a squad still expecting a 35 year old to play twice a week in a demanding role. We’ve also played several weeks now without our most important player (Bruno). Hopefully the international break does us wonders (including Eddie), and we can push as hard as possible to the end of the season. I still think Eddie is the man for the job, but this summer is going to be so critical and I hope they are working hard on the planning. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danh1 Posted March 22 Share Posted March 22 3 minutes ago, TRC said: We have also been dropping easy points all season though and giving away leads. Liverpool Arsenal Brentford Everton Mackems All beat us at SJP late on. Shambles. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted March 22 Share Posted March 22 2 minutes ago, Kid Icarus said: Stuff like this is inconveniently true imo. It's never accepted as a legitimate excuse like, same thing happened in 23/24. Playing devil’s advocate we didn’t spend £260m in the summer preceding that one to supposedly construct a squad to compete on multiple fronts. Also, 2 years further along and we still haven’t added creativity to the midfield. We all knew that was an issue years ago. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nufc123 Posted March 22 Share Posted March 22 Just now, Miggys First Goal said: How many points have we dropped from a winning position this season? Must be some record. And not only that, how many have we shipped right before half time/full time. Its mental.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
astraguy Posted March 22 Share Posted March 22 2 minutes ago, TRon said: The ownership have backed Howe to the hilt so far, so are you blaming them for that as well? What by letting the isak shite drag on till the last week? dof changes basically every season? not tieing down key players to longer contacts fast enough? lack of revenue? new ground ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danh1 Posted March 22 Share Posted March 22 8 minutes ago, astraguy said: Had a kip, Stand by it utter embarrassing fanbase judging by people on here, If the ownership (who are to blame) fold under pressure i'll enjoy our downfall caused yet again (Keegan, Sir Bobby) by our fans Forgot the fans appointed Souness and Dalglish. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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