Eddie Howe

[The Prophet]

Just now, SUPERTOON said:

Getting deals done i meant. I am sure we would have managed one of the main targets from last summer if Amanda was still here. 

 

Fair.

[Froggy]

25 minutes ago, Jesse Pinkman said:

Interesting, looking at the Bournemouth fanbase many stating they wouldn’t take Eddie back now as Iraola, according to them, is a significantly better manager.

 

People on here deride Iraola, but he’s barely had any budget and basically lost his defence in the summer yet he is still developing talent and unearthing gems and playing a good style of football. Imagine what he could do with £500m

 

Some managers flourish in those environments though. Ones where you're working with a limited budget but are simultaneously not under a great deal of pressure to win cups or finish in European spots. Iraola could finish 9th forever and they'd probably be happy with that.

 

There's no guarantees whatsoever he would do well if he was handed £200m a season.

 

 

Edited March 23 by Froggy

[TRC]

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[SiLvOR]

I think Eddie is still the man, but I have a lot of questions.

We seem to be incapable of pouncing on fortunate circumstances, such as winning this weekend to close to gap to CL. This was something we saw on the final day of last season, where we completely fucked up and yet managed to scrape into the CL. That hasn't been put right this season, and is a huge concern.

 

The obvious flaw I see is the formation. We've been firmly worked out, and we're so easy to play through due to that flat midfield 3. Combine that with our press and intensity falling off a cliff (due to the amount of games ofc, though no excuse for yesterday when we now have the break) and we just look so soft.

 

Our away performances were shocking most of last season too, and that's not really been fixed, though promising signs were there the last few weeks (beating Villa and Chelsea). But now the home form has completely collapsed, so we're no better off at all.

 

So I can see us heading for a mid table finish, and then that leaves the door wide open for player exits. Which wouldn't be too bad if we had faith in recruitment, which I frankly don't. We're so fucking slow to do anything, and we don't seem to buy smart. That leaves me feeling really nervous for the summer.

 

Overall, it's been a tumultuous season. Some highs certainly in the CL, but we've been turgid to watch in the league, and we've got players who aren't good enough and now seemingly not applying themselves. It does make me worried for Eddie, only in the sense of whether PIF want to give him more money to spend in the summer or figure they take their chances elsewhere.

 

The real sickener is how different things could have been this year. Isak stays, we get Joao Pedro or Ekitike for instance, and we're up there fighting for the title, no mistake. Damn shame.

[Kid Icarus]

You don't need to reset it, you can just change your answer. 

[bobbydazzla]

14 minutes ago, Kid Icarus said:

If you're very confident in your assertion that a manager should be replaced, it massively helps your argument if you can cite even just one manager that you're confident could do better, or has the CV to match or better Howe's. 

 

I don't think it's a remotely controversial thing to be asked. It's not like it is with players where the possibilities are endless, the pool of managers that could come in will be very small and I would expect them to be pretty well known if their achievements are anything to hang your hat on. 

 

 

 

 

It's a ridiculous thing to be asked as a justification for having the opinion as to why Howe's time here might be up.

 

And it's absolutely pointless given no-one has any idea which managers might be interested in coming here.

Someone suggested Alonso just to put a name out there and was immediately shot down with a "No chance, Liverpool done deal" response.

 

I couldn't even name all of the managers in the Premier League, never mind Europe, South America, Saudi and so on. But I can still see that changing Howe might be what's needed.

 

People feel strongly that they want to replace Noon as a shirt sponsor. Do they have to offer up alternatives in order to express their opinion ?

People feel strongly that Andy Howe shouldn't be in this job because his uncle is the manager. Do they have to offer up alternatives to express their opinion ?

 

 

 

Edited March 23 by bobbydazzla

[Deuce]

Unless we were to take a flier on an unproven but promising young manager, which few would be happy with at this point, the pool of potentially and realistically available managers with a CV to rival or exceed Eddie’s is like three deep.  

That doesn’t mean Eddie is infallible. At some point you might just have to make a move, even if it’s for someone who, on paper, doesn’t match Eddie’s success.

 

 

Edited March 23 by Deuce

[GWN]

Eddie must be given till the end of the season, however imho despite my thoughts not too long ago about him staying i feel now is the time to let him go, if the England job comes up he's the man !

 

This week has been a disaster for the club, im absolutely gutted about yesterday and feel any other top flight club would be looking to make a change if it was them.

 

We have to look forward and i think he's earned his place in folklore but its now time we tried something different without going over the mistakes and the highs.

 

Summer we need to change, Isak changed everythng.   

[Sir Joel Inton]

20 minutes ago, Dokko said:

 

This is why his time here has come to an end. Bournemouth fans still love him for whst he's done, but most will agree they are now better off without him, and have move up a level. We'll always be grateful for what he's done here, but we need to attain the next level and for me,  he can't do it. 

 

Whether we have if in us to find the next level manager needed is another argument, but that  shouldn't detract from the situation we have now, and that is he's taking us backwards and has done so for the last year. It's not kneejerk, it's not disloyalty, it's facing up to the truth of the situation, and some cannot handle it due to the love for him. I get that as well. But where has sentiment got you in football? 

 

 

 

Impossible. I’ve seen on here that there is no better manager than Howe and we’ll immediately go backwards if he’s replaced.

 

Don’t start coming in here with evidence to the contrary, we need to rely on past feelings rather than the current and future.

[Kid Icarus]

12 minutes ago, bobbydazzla said:

 

It's a ridiculous thing to be asked as a justification for having the opinion as to why Howe's time here might be up.

 

And it's absolutely pointless given no-one has any idea which managers might be interested in coming in here. Someone suggested Alonso just to put a name out there and was immediately shot down with a "No chance, Liverpool done deal" response.

 

I couldn't even name all of the managers in the Premier League, never mind Europe, South America, Saudi and so on. But I can still see that changing Howe might be what's needed.

 

People want to replace Noon as a shirt sponsor. Do they have to offer up alternatives in order to express their opinion ?

 

 

That's a strawman, it's nothing to do with 'justification for having an opinion' - it's about putting that opinion into the context it needs, ie who would replace him. 

 

This idea that no one can be cited because there are just too many managers who fit the bill to know who they are, or that potentially realistic alternatives are wrongly shot down is a cop out. If we're looking for a manager to improve upon Howe's achievements I think it's fair to say that they'd be relatively well known or it would but a complete punt on an unknown. 

 

There aren't that many managers out there who fall into that category who are also realistic. The likes of Alonso get shot down for a reason, not just for the sake of shooting it down. Meanwhile, Howe himself if often linked with the clubs we're aspiring to get to the same level as. 

 

 

Edited March 23 by Kid Icarus

[bobbydazzla]

5 minutes ago, Deuce said:

Unless we were to take a flier on an unproven but promising young manager, which few would be happy with at this point, the pool of potentially and realistically available managers with a CV to rival or exceed Eddie’s is like three deep.  

That doesn’t mean Eddie is infallible. At some point you might just have to make a move, even if it’s for someone who, on paper, doesn’t match Eddie’s success.

 

 

 

 

Bayern took the unproven in the Bundesliga bloke who'd just got Burnley relegated. And he seems to be doing well.

Man Utd took the unproven in the Premier League bloke who'd just been sacked by Boro. And he seems to be doing well.

Man Utd took the highly rated proven trophy winner from Sporting and he was fucking shit.

Yadda yadda yadda.

 

People who post on internet forums who think they know how to run football clubs generally don't know how to run football clubs.

 

[El Prontonise]

Bayern is not a good example, I think half of this forum would win the bundesliga.

[Keegans Export]

17 minutes ago, Kid Icarus said:

If you're very confident in your assertion that a manager should be replaced, it massively helps your argument if you can cite even just one manager that you're confident could do better, or has the CV to match or better Howe's. 

 

I don't think it's a remotely controversial thing to be asked. It's not like it is with players where the possibilities are endless, the pool of managers that could come in will be very small and I would expect them to be pretty well known if their achievements are anything to hang your hat on. 

 

It's not controversial, but it's not an absolute "gotcha" argument-winner either.

 

We're currently 12th I think. Let's say we finish there. Surely nobody would argue that's below par? On that basis there is probably a reasonable pool of managers who could do better than that with the 7th/8th most expensive squad in the league. Likewise if we can turn things around a bit and finish 7th/8th then you'd say that's about par and your chances of finding an improvement reduce. 

 

That's why I'm not in the "Howe Out" camp. I'm not happy with where we are currently but we have 7 games, all ~ a week apart, only one of which is against a team we'd expect to finish below in the table. Put a run together, finish 7th/8th, then the worst we can probably level at him is that he still struggles to balance both league and European campaigns. In that case, give him a season in the Europa/Conference to work it out. But if we stay off the pace even with the time on the training ground then I think it's fair to say either his methods have gone stale or the players are not responding to him as a coach and I can't see how you fix that without making a change, even knowing that there is always a risk that the replacement you bring in does even worse.

[Sir Joel Inton]

27 minutes ago, Kid Icarus said:

If you're very confident in your assertion that a manager should be replaced, it massively helps your argument if you can cite even just one manager that you're confident could do better, or has the CV to match or better Howe's. 

 

I don't think it's a remotely controversial thing to be asked. It's not like it is with players where the possibilities are endless, the pool of managers that could come in will be very small and I would expect them to be pretty well known if their achievements are anything to hang your hat on. 

 

 

 

If you have to have a manager with a better CV, or you are confident will do better, how can you ever replace a manager who wins the Champions League? Can you only employ a World Cup winning manager?

 

It’s impossible to be confident a manager will come in and do better as football isn’t a game as simple as that. A manager who works at x club under y conditions may not be able to replicate that elsewhere due to various circumstances. However, a manager who failed at b club under c conditions may find a new club allows them to flourish. 

 

Any change would be a risk. However, many think it’s a bigger risk at this stage to go into the summer and next season with Howe.

 

 

Edited March 23 by Sir Joel Inton

[Alberto2005]

I'm not sure England would suit Howe either, he seems to be good at coaching on the grass rather than in game.

[dcmk]

27 minutes ago, Dokko said:

 

This is why his time here has come to an end. Bournemouth fans still love him for whst he's done, but most will agree they are now better off without him, and have move up a level. We'll always be grateful for what he's done here, but we need to attain the next level and for me,  he can't do it. 

 

Whether we have if in us to find the next level manager needed is another argument, but that  shouldn't detract from the situation we have now, and that is he's taking us backwards and has done so for the last year. It's not kneejerk, it's not disloyalty, it's facing up to the truth of the situation, and some cannot handle it due to the love for him. I get that as well. But where has sentiment got you in football? 

 

 

He saved a likely relegation.  Overhauled the team in a world of PSR to get us into a Champions League twice.  He won us a domestic cup.  That all seems to be forgotten about because we are now 7 points away from a CL position and lost the Derby twice.

Yes, this season has been awful but he's still the main for a job. 

 

If someone can recognise what materialised in the summer with transfers and no DoF, then they would give the guy the benefit of the doubt considering his success, in a very short time, here.

 

 

Edited March 23 by dcmk

[Yorkie]

2 minutes ago, El Prontonise said:

Bayern is not a good example, I think half of this forum would win the bundesliga.

 

Names of those who wouldn't. Now.

[bobbydazzla]

7 minutes ago, Kid Icarus said:

 

That's a strawman, it's nothing to do with 'justification for having an opinion' - it's about putting that opinion into the context it needs, ie who would replace him. 

 

This idea that no one can be cited because there are just too many managers who fit the bill to know who they are, or that potentially realistic alternatives are wrongly shot down is a cop out. If we're looking for a manager to improve upon Howe's achievements I think it's fair to say that they'd be relatively well known or it would but a complete punt on an unknown. 

 

There aren't that many managers out there who fall into that category who are also realistic. The likes of Alonso get shot down for a reason, not just for the sake of shooting it down. Meanwhile, Howe himself if often linked with the clubs we're aspiring to get to the same level as. 

 

 

 

 

To give a view on a Howe replacement people have to 

 

1) Know the global pool of managers

2) Predict the future about how bringing a manager here would work out

 

It's a completely pointless exercise.

 

Alonso might be sitting there thinking "I'd fucking love a crack at the NUFC job, it'd be a step between the turn around at Leverkusen and the elite club nightmare I've just had at Real"

 

Neither you, or me or anyone else who posts on this forum know what Alonso's thinking. 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited March 23 by bobbydazzla

[Jesse Pinkman]

I suppose it ultimately comes down to how important is it to the board to kick on and compete for titles. 

 

If the goal is to become the best club in the premier league or atleast compete for titles and trophies regularly then they should sell a few assets this summer to help fund a significant rebuild and invest big in a top manager such as Alonso or Nagelsman. Like City going from Mancini to Guardiola. 
 

If they are happy getting Europe every other season and some nice European runs every few years then you may as well just keep Howe. 

[Sir Joel Inton]

Best example of this argument is Pep. Has one of the best CVs in world football but I’m not confident he improves us as he’s never had to work under financial constraints or build a club up from the bottom.

 

The compatibility of the right manager to replace Howe at Newcastle does not necessarily correlate to how many times they’ve qualified for the CL or won a League Cup.

[KaKa]

If the team ends up going into a bit of a downward spiral the rest of the way, and the home crowd continue to vent their frustration in a similar way they did yesterday, I wouldn't be surprised if he ends up getting sacked.

 

I'd actually like to see what happens next summer with him regarding transfers, after a lot of harsh lessons would have been learnt this past season, but I'm not sure he'll get the chance if things get ugly the rest of the way.

[Mattoon]

There’s a noticeable lack of nuance in the arguments calling for Eddie to go. Too many people seem to be deliberately oversimplifying things just to win a debate. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, of course, but I’ve yet to come across a genuinely balanced or convincing case for sacking him.

[bobbydazzla]

6 minutes ago, El Prontonise said:

Bayern is not a good example, I think half of this forum would win the bundesliga.

 

Stop being a menace.

 

They're in the 1/4's of the Champs League too.

 

When they appointed Kompany it was a proper head scratcher given his CV. And it's not been a disaster. That's the point being made.

[dcmk]

5 minutes ago, bobbydazzla said:

 

To give a view on a Howe replacement people have to 

 

1) Know the global pool of managers

2) Predict the future about how bringing a manager here would work out

 

It's a completely pointless exercise.

 

Alonso might be sitting there thinking "I'd fucking love a crack at the NUFC job, it'd be a step between the turn around at Leverkusen and the elite club nightmare I've just had at Real"

 

 

 

Alonso 

 

He's not coming here..   he will have his pick of top teams once they move away from their current managers.  

 

As for his ability, it's not a great look when couldn't get a team with Mbappe, Bellingham, Vini Jr playing well and you expect him to succeed  here?

 

They lost their derby with him 5-2. With a team like Real Madrid..  

 

 

Edited March 23 by dcmk

[Shays Given Tim Flowers]

So Howe goes, suddenly our squad of players looks significantly better? We no longer require significant investment and major recruitment? I swear most of this is people getting soft cocked about the players that might get brought in under Howe. An argument which seemingly is predicated on the Elanga fee, Wissa/Woltemade. 

 

We added nobdy in January so why is the squad we started the season with supposed to be markedly better? We are four points off what would be considered par in terms of wages? Emotional responses to an emotional game entirely understandable. But it also emboldens the short termists and greener grass aspirationals amongst us.