1881 Posted March 26 Share Posted March 26 (edited) I have no doubt that Howe would manage fine with all the games if he had Man City’s squad and Pep would struggle like Howe if he had our squad. But as PSR/SCR makes it hugely difficult for us to improve our squad without extra income we need to find an alternative approach. I didn’t watch the League Cup Final on Sunday, but from what I have read and watched Man City played with great intensity for the first twenty minutes of the second-half whilst not attempting to do much at all (attacking wise) for the rest of the game. Somehow, I think we need to develop a similar approach where we play with intensity for certain periods but then have a method of playing which allows us to keep a measure of control to the best of our abilities. It is not possible to play with full intensity throughout in every game and falling into a low block, particularly towards the end of the game, just invites trouble. Edited March 26 by 1881 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jackie Broon Posted March 26 Share Posted March 26 9 minutes ago, Optimistic Nut said: This was a month ago: We've played 27 league games for instance but only Tonali, Thiaw & Bruno of the outfield players have started 20+ of them. Tonali & Thiaw with the most on 23. We've played 10 Champions League games, no-one has started more than 8. It seems to me that most of that has been enforced by injuries or players reaching a point where they've hit their cumulative fatigue limit with the sports scientists. I think we could have rotated more, used young players more and used substitutions earlier in games, and that the way we appeared to be playing to save ourselves earlier in the season probably cost us far more points than it has benefited us at this stage. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JT24 Posted March 26 Share Posted March 26 https://www.newcastleunited.com/en/news/howe-nominated-for-barclays-manager-of-the-month-award-for-march Up for Manager of the Month. Shite according to some, though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
1881 Posted March 26 Share Posted March 26 The other thing that needs to be taken into account when assessing the situation is the significant extra travelling that we need to do compared to the London teams. This must impinge on the amount of training/preparation time as well as adding to fatigue and potentially the likelihood of injuries. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimistic Nut Posted March 26 Share Posted March 26 1 hour ago, Jackie Broon said: It seems to me that most of that has been enforced by injuries or players reaching a point where they've hit their cumulative fatigue limit with the sports scientists. I think we could have rotated more, used young players more and used substitutions earlier in games, and that the way we appeared to be playing to save ourselves earlier in the season probably cost us far more points than it has benefited us at this stage. Probably was enforced by Bruno, Miley & Joelinton spells out that Tonali played more, and Thiaw due to Botman & Schar. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robster Posted March 26 Share Posted March 26 46 minutes ago, JT24 said: https://www.newcastleunited.com/en/news/howe-nominated-for-barclays-manager-of-the-month-award-for-march Up for Manager of the Month. Shite according to some, though. That's quite a close up picture Lovely to see his name being put up for it though Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mouldy_uk Posted March 26 Share Posted March 26 1 hour ago, JT24 said: https://www.newcastleunited.com/en/news/howe-nominated-for-barclays-manager-of-the-month-award-for-march Up for Manager of the Month. Shite according to some, though. Some on here seeing that Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geordie Ahmed Posted March 26 Share Posted March 26 1 hour ago, 1881 said: The other thing that needs to be taken into account when assessing the situation is the significant extra travelling that we need to do compared to the London teams. This must impinge on the amount of training/preparation time as well as adding to fatigue and potentially the likelihood of injuries. Careful, apparently such reasons are simply excuses Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miggys First Goal Posted March 26 Share Posted March 26 2 hours ago, JT24 said: https://www.newcastleunited.com/en/news/howe-nominated-for-barclays-manager-of-the-month-award-for-march Up for Manager of the Month. Shite according to some, though. Mint! Howay, Eddie! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfcastle Posted March 26 Share Posted March 26 (edited) Steve Bruce won manager of the month here like. Its hardly an irrefutable measure. Edited March 26 by Wolfcastle Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted March 26 Share Posted March 26 10 minutes ago, Wolfcastle said: Steve Bruce won manager of the month here like. Its hardly an irrefutable measure. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted March 26 Share Posted March 26 It's mad that we've beaten Chelsea and Man Utd with ten men and ran Barca close for 3 out of 4 halves, this month Football fandom is a strange, strange place sometimes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Magpie Posted March 26 Share Posted March 26 2 hours ago, JT24 said: https://www.newcastleunited.com/en/news/howe-nominated-for-barclays-manager-of-the-month-award-for-march Up for Manager of the Month. Shite according to some, though. They're just now getting around to voting for Manager of the Month for April 2025? Now THAT was a good month. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted March 26 Share Posted March 26 8 hours ago, Whitley mag said: Danny Murphy nailed it on that talk sport interview, ride out the pressing storm for 30 mins, then they fall apart 2nd half and basically we’re not a very intelligent team. That’s down to the manager and if Danny fucking Murphy has us sussed, it’s a safe bet everyone else in the league has. This kill them with our intensity doesn’t work with 2 games a week unless you have a big squad. This is the crux of it for me can Howe adapt to being better in possession, has he got the elite coaches around him to implement this, or if we don’t qualify for Europe next season he thinks bingo as you were. If it’s the latter there’s a big problem in terms of him matching the clubs ambitions. I don’t see us having the revenue to provide him with the squad to press teams twice a week for a longtime. It's what many have been saying for a while now. It's not that we have a bad style of play, it's just that it's not possible to play at that intensity for 90mins+ with two games a week. We tried to fix it by bolstering the squad, but Howe doesn't trust half the players he's brought in. I think it's only right to give Howe another crack at it next season, but I don't see him overhauling his playing philosophy, so it might look ok if we don't have Europe to contend with, but we'll just hit the same buffers again a year down the line. He needs to find a way of playing which is more sustainable and tires the opposition out instead of us. That's usually with possession football which is not our strength. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holmesy Posted March 26 Share Posted March 26 (edited) 9 minutes ago, TRon said: It's what many have been saying for a while now. It's not that we have a bad style of play, it's just that it's not possible to play at that intensity for 90mins+ with two games a week. We tried to fix it by bolstering the squad, but Howe doesn't trust half the players he's brought in. I think it's only right to give Howe another crack at it next season, but I don't see him overhauling his playing philosophy, so it might look ok if we don't have Europe to contend with, but we'll just hit the same buffers again a year down the line. He needs to find a way of playing which is more sustainable and tires the opposition out instead of us. That's usually with possession football which is not our strength. Nail on head. Danny Murphy can see it, some of us can see it, opposition managers can clearly see it. Even if we get back to the very best version of 'intensity is our identity' and get back into Europe, we know what happens next. Not sure that nagging concern is going to go away now, sadly. Edited March 26 by Holmesy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monters Posted March 26 Share Posted March 26 12 minutes ago, TRon said: It's what many have been saying for a while now. It's not that we have a bad style of play, it's just that it's not possible to play at that intensity for 90mins+ with two games a week. We tried to fix it by bolstering the squad, but Howe doesn't trust half the players he's brought in. I think it's only right to give Howe another crack at it next season, but I don't see him overhauling his playing philosophy, so it might look ok if we don't have Europe to contend with, but we'll just hit the same buffers again a year down the line. He needs to find a way of playing which is more sustainable and tires the opposition out instead of us. That's usually with possession football which is not our strength. Out of interest who doesn’t he trust? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted March 26 Share Posted March 26 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Holmesy said: Nail on head. Danny Murphy can see it, some of us can see it, opposition managers can clearly see it. Even if we get back to the very best version of 'intensity is our identity' and get back into Europe, we know what happens next. Not sure that nagging concern is going to go away now, sadly. Again though,we haven't done "intensity is our identity" on a regiular basis for about 18 months. Edited March 26 by The Prophet Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Duper Branko Strupar Posted March 26 Share Posted March 26 (edited) Its why Eddie Howe see's it too. Most clubs don't evolve from chipper disruptor club to league and Europe masters after just one season, though. Edited March 26 by Super Duper Branko Strupar Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holmesy Posted March 26 Share Posted March 26 21 minutes ago, The Prophet said: Again though,we haven't done "intensity is our identity" on a regiular basis for about 18 months. Not for full games we haven't but we still tend to go hell for leather for the first 30-40 minutes and then either run out of steam or do something different that none of us can quite put our fingers on, but that is causing us to leak a lot of goals. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holmesy Posted March 26 Share Posted March 26 12 minutes ago, Super Duper Branko Strupar said: Its why Eddie Howe see's it too. Most clubs don't evolve from chipper disruptor club to league and Europe masters after just one season, though. That's fair. It took him a long time to develop his original plan A blueprint and it will take time to develop another one. I just wish we could see some signs of what that actually is, and for it to involve a tighter defence while it's evolving. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
1881 Posted March 26 Share Posted March 26 I think everybody can see the issue, it is about how it is solved. Intensity allowed us to punch above our weight but is demonstrably not sustainable particularly when we have more matches to play. some people don’t believe Howe sees the issue or can do anything about it and want him to be replaced, but I - and many others - believe he can or at the very least should be given more time to try. a hybrid style of sometimes pressing and sometimes playing a more controlled and less progressive game (without going all-out defence) would seem a possible way forward, but I’m sure Eddie and his team know better than any of us. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted March 26 Share Posted March 26 (edited) 14 minutes ago, Holmesy said: Not for full games we haven't but we still tend to go hell for leather for the first 30-40 minutes and then either run out of steam or do something different that none of us can quite put our fingers on, but that is causing us to leak a lot of goals. We have occasionally deployed it in certain fixtures, but it hasn't been part of a regular game plan for some time. Edited March 26 by The Prophet Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted March 26 Share Posted March 26 We've been reminiscing about how much we used to press since the start of last season. We definitely choose our moments to do it now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jackie Broon Posted March 26 Share Posted March 26 (edited) 13 minutes ago, Kid Icarus said: We've been reminiscing about how much we used to press since the start of last season. We definitely choose our moments to do it now. Actually since the start of the 23/24 season, I think Eddie has been trying to play a more choosing our moments to press style since then... and we still can't make it work. Edited March 26 by Jackie Broon Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nine Posted March 26 Share Posted March 26 (edited) 1 hour ago, AyeDubbleYoo said: It's mad that we've beaten Chelsea and Man Utd with ten men and ran Barca close for 3 out of 4 halves, this month Football fandom is a strange, strange place sometimes. We’ve drawn/lost to stubborn, gritty sides enough times The fact it was Sunderland with a last minute goal obviously pushed people over that emotional negative edge, take the name Sunderland out of that and it’s been more than an okay month Edited March 26 by Nine Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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