Eddie Howe

[Wallsendmag]

3 minutes ago, Shays Given Tim Flowers said:

People wanted Pardew out and we got Carver. 

 

People wanted Ossie out and we got Keegan. People wanted Gullit out and we got Robson if we're going down this route 

 

Ultimately though it's not really relevant.

[Mole]

3 minutes ago, Jesse Pinkman said:

Our biggest problem has been defence bud 

I would argue the biggest problem has been midfield all year, they don't protect the back 4 (which makes the back 4 look worse than they actually are), they don't control games, they don't create chances and so on. Every time this gets brought up people's retort that we have enough and mentions the individual names,  but it hasn't worked as a team all year.

 

Anything a midfield is supposed to do, this team has failed to do at every turn and it's making every facet of the football team worse. 

[Thumbheed]

I still dont think we're good enough technically to control games and that's costing us. Our secondary movement is non existent and because of that the players can't play out of a press. 

 

Not sure where I stand on Howe at the moment. I've been a stalwart since he proved me wrong in 21/22 and I always thought SBR deserved one more year to turn things round, so I think Howe deserves that as well, but I'm finding it hard to answer whether he can.

 

I dont blame him for the striker situation, they clearly had better targets but not identifying a better winger than Elanga after 4 years of needing 1 seems negligent at best. 

[Sir Joel Inton]

1 minute ago, dcmk said:

You acknowledge that he's the man who gets us into Europe next season.

 

Everyone else we bring in now is surely a question mark.  So why gamble? 

 

If Howe struggles in Europe in the next campaign he's involved with, look then and there.

 

 

 

I’m not confident at all Howe gets us in Europe next season. Certainly not CL or Europa.

[dcmk]

2 minutes ago, Zero said:

1. He has had his say last summer. And I could tell you now it looks like it’s Wilson who decides who to bring in. I guarantee you if Howe’s in charge, that kid won’t come. So your argument or your wish won’t come true - Howe won’t have much influence on the coming summer recruitment. 
 

2. People talking like he is Steve Bruce Mk II because this season he is performing exactly like a Steve Bruce Mk II. It’s fucking shocking

Who is "that kid"?

 

It's nothing like Bruce.

[Shays Given Tim Flowers]

3 minutes ago, Wallsendmag said:

 

People wanted Ossie out and we got Keegan. People wanted Gullit out and we got Robson if we're going down this route 

 

Ultimately though it's not really relevant.

just a little humour. 

[Teasy]

6 minutes ago, Yorkie said:

I still think we can have some hope thanks to the preparation time between games. I'm not excusing today's result but it's not like he had three weeks of training with the team, that's a bit overblown. He had like six players to work with for a fair chunk of the break because of international duties. Surely we can hold some hope that we can start working on some patterns between the games now, with the full squad available to work with continuously? 

 

Our biggest problem all season has been lack of goals. If we can squeeze half a dozen extra goals from the team - that we would otherwise not have scored with no training time - we could have a strong end to the season.

 

Maybe, but what's going to happen any other season when we have lots of games and little time for coaching inbetween?  Howe will never be able to make us successful when we're in multiple competitions.  Even with more squad depth.  He never has a plan b, cannot react to other managers changes tactically and basically only ever reacts to goals with "fresh legs".  We need to get through this season and find someone better before next.

[The Butcher]

It's almost impressive tbh. Our mentality used to be our biggest strength. Now it's our biggest weakness.

 

[Milburn]

A lot of fans are still reacting like it’s the Ashley era, which is understandable after all those years.

 

But this is a different ownership, with a new Sporting Director and a new CEO who’ve both been here less than a year. For all we know, they’ve already been doing a lot of work behind the scenes on both player strategy and the coaching structure. One can only hope…

 

At least there is a proper setup in place, instead of a Lee Charnley filling several boxes in the organisation chart.

[TheEntertainer]

36 minutes ago, dcmk said:

 

Based on the reaction today we were just expected to stroll up today at Selhurst Park and get the three points.  Would have been the same at 1-1.

Hard disagree with that, I was expecting a 1-1 draw but feared a defeat, I actually posted this in the pre-match thread. It's the fact that we somehow managed to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory for the what 8th time this season? which has really hammered home to me that we need a change. I wanted him to make it work, I wanted to believe the people saying, don't worry about it, with a rested team and no Europe we'll be better. But we weren't, we were exactly as bad as we've been all season. Even holding on for a point would have given us something to think maybe we could turn the corner. 

[J7]

21 minutes ago, Kid Icarus said:

I'd have more sympathy with the subs argument if I hadn't watched subs then come on and be absolutely shit all season. The starting line up surely matters more and that changes all the time.

 

 

 

I’m not sure that’s the winner you think it is.

[dcmk]

Just now, TheEntertainer said:

Hard disagree with that, I was expecting a 1-1 draw but feared a defeat, I actually posted this in the pre-match thread. It's the fact that we somehow managed to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory for the what 8th time this season? which has really hammered home to me that we need a change. I wanted him to make it work, I wanted to believe the people saying, don't worry about it, with a rested team and no Europe we'll be better. But we weren't, we were exactly as bad as we've been all season. Even holding on for a point would have given us something to think maybe we could turn the corner. 

You expected a 1-1, but blame Howe and want him to go because we conceded a crazy penalty in the last minute to lose the game.. that seems a bit harsh no?

 

 

[bobbydazzla]

18 minutes ago, dcmk said:

It works both ways, there is clear evidence that he will sort this out next season based upon past seasons with us.  A portion of the fanbase are being hugely reactionary because results aren't going out way and ignore the fact that every team has fluctuations in form, even bad seasons.

 

There are huge mitigating factors that explains the season we are having.. and that has all been talked about to the nth degree.  But people don't want to acknowledge it and can't handle the idea of any transitional periods hence these OTT reactions to a poor performance.

 

Imo he should be allowed the summer window, and to allow the structure in place to actively identify and targets players.. a structure that should work in a way where we progress multiple targets at the same time.. and not wait two weeks for a player to say 'no' to them decide to move onto the next on the list.  That's my pet peeve.  It was all too reactive last summer.  Just seemed like they were making it up as they go along because of the Isak curveball.

 

He should get the benefit of doubt.  People talk about him as if he's Steve Bruce Mk II.

 

 

 

 

You do know that other people can have a different opinion to you ?

 

Maybe he will turn it round, maybe he won’t.

 

You can’t say for certain that he will and other people can’t say for certain that he won’t. 
 

Very few people here are behaving in an entitled way, they just have an opinion which differs from yours, which is something that they’re entitled to have. 

 

 

[Wilson]

8 minutes ago, Milburn said:

At least there is a proper setup in place

 

Shame there wasn't in the summer. 

[Mole]

20 minutes ago, Thumbheed said:

I still dont think we're good enough technically to control games and that's costing us. Our secondary movement is non existent and because of that the players can't play out of a press. 

 

Not sure where I stand on Howe at the moment. I've been a stalwart since he proved me wrong in 21/22 and I always thought SBR deserved one more year to turn things round, so I think Howe deserves that as well, but I'm finding it hard to answer whether he can.

 

I dont blame him for the striker situation, they clearly had better targets but not identifying a better winger than Elanga after 4 years of needing 1 seems negligent at best. 

There's many ways to control games, it doesn't have to be done in a super technical manner. But honestly when I watch us play I don't think we particularly excel at anything lmao, from the games I watched from last season we definitely did this part way better but we were also significantly more intense and losing that intensity isn't helping at all. 

 

 

Edited April 12 by Mole

[Nobody]

I'd still be absolutely fucking gutted if he was sacked 

[Kid Icarus]

5 minutes ago, J7 said:

I’m not sure that’s the winner you think it is.

It's not meant to be a winner, but if Howe's seeing who's in form in training, picks his team accordingly, and the subs that come on aren't delivering the goods, to still keep criticising him for not making subs makes no sense.

[dcmk]

Just now, bobbydazzla said:

 

You do know that other people can have a different opinion to you ?

 

Maybe he will turn it round, maybe he won’t.

 

You can’t say for certain that he will and other people can’t say for certain that he won’t. 
 

Very few people here are behaving in an entitled way, they just have an opinion which differs from yours, which is something that they’re entitled to have. 

 

 

No, they are mate. Expecting us to win and go apoplectic if we don't a decent result.  How many times we seen it this season?

 

Not just this season take a look back at the 4-4 with Luton.  Or the away loss to Luton that year.  Was the exact same then, people wanted him gone during the match and Burn to never play again.

 

Season after we win a cup with Burn scoring the first goal.

 

Seems like a small portion are not emotionally intelligent enough for the ups and downs of supporting a team.  We are on a big down atm.  But evidence with Howe suggests he can turn it around.

 

Get him some good players that improve the 11.

 

[dcmk]

2 minutes ago, Nobody said:

I'd still be absolutely fucking gutted if he was sacked 

But he's Steve Bruce Mk II.

[midds]

He also looked genuinely gutted after the pen was awarded too. He's been let down on and off the field this season but he knew immediately that back to back second half surrenders in near-identical scenarios would crank the pressure up. And to follow that up with his "uncharacteristic of us" bullshit afterwards sticks in the craw a bit too, that won't wash any longer, losing 25 points from winning positions is dreadful. We've conceded 30 League goals alone in the last 15 mins of each half. That compares with 17 conceded in the other hour of play - there's something going on there, it's not bad luck when it happens week in and week out

 

[Sir Joel Inton]

4 minutes ago, Kid Icarus said:

It's not meant to be a winner, but if Howe's seeing who's in form in training, picks his team accordingly, and the subs that come on aren't delivering the goods, to still keep criticising him for not making subs makes no sense.

 

What “goods” were you expecting Wissa to deliver in his appearances of *checks notes* 2 and 1 minutes in the last 2 games?

 

 

Edited April 12 by Sir Joel Inton

[nufc123]

1 minute ago, dcmk said:

Seems like a small portion are not emotionally intelligent enough for the ups and downs of supporting a team. 

You cant be serious telling that to a nufc fan??

[Scotty66]

I hate league tables like that BBC table.

It doesn't change the positions for other teams throwing away points once ahead so what's the point? 

 

I did see a stats table the other day though which showed how many goals we've conceded due to our own players mistakes and it was very alarming.

Same as today with Botman.

You can't really blame Howe for those.

 

Eddie should stay imo, but he needs to get things sorted and fast.

[Newcastle Fan]

They say the 1st half is the players half and the 2nd half is the managers half.

[Kid Icarus]

1 minute ago, Sir Joel Inton said:

 

What “goods” were you expecting Wissa to deliver in his appearances of *checks notes* 2 and 1 minutes in the last 2 games?

 

I'd check the post before your notes.

 

5 minutes ago, Kid Icarus said:

Howe's seeing who's in form in training, picks his team accordingly