Eddie Howe

[Tiotes Witch Doctor]

Doesn't help him when 2 of our next 3 games are our bogey teams and one is Arsenal away 😬

[SUPERTOON]

Just now, TRC said:

The most exciting part about the rest season will be people arguing about Howe’s accomplishments and not agreeing or seeing either sides points.

 

 

There shouldn’t be an argument about his achievements tbf, they are incredible. Debating this season’s performance and the next steps if fair enough though.

[Wallsendmag]

4 minutes ago, Mahoneys Tache said:

Which isn’t wolte’s fault 

 

I never said it was.

[TRC]

3 minutes ago, SUPERTOON said:

There shouldn’t be an argument about his achievements tbf, they are incredible. Debating this season’s performance and the next steps if fair enough though.

I honestly don’t think there is a right answer on next steps, no matter what we do is a risk. Just have to support the team no matter what next year

[gdm]

1 hour ago, Jesse Pinkman said:

Iraola, Alonso, Glasner, Marseca, Tuchel, Zidane available for free in the summer. The club has no excuse now. 

How is Tuchel available for free? At least get your facts right 

[nufc123]

I see a lot of Iraola is a sideway step, and thats probably true, but sometimes it goes stale at a club and fresh ideas are welcome. Not saying Howe out, but just because hes not (yet) a top manager doesnt mean its a sideway or a backward step.

 

 

Edited April 14 by nufc123

[nufcjmc]

4 minutes ago, TRC said:

I honestly don’t think there is a right answer on next steps, no matter what we do is a risk. Just have to support the team no matter what next year

Strongly agree with this despite how well thought out the pro and con arguement has been debated by some very well intentioned forum members. 

 

He could go and move on and excel elsewhere while we appoint the wrong replacement or have another season of transition and change potentially unpicking howes team

 

Or we could back, support and commit to howe and it massively backfire with issues Howe  himself has said at times he is either baffled by or these things work themselves out with little to no change. 

 

Hope is all we  can do whatever the club decides is the right call as the club matters above everything else.

[dcmk]

36 minutes ago, Tiotes Witch Doctor said:

Doesn't help him when 2 of our next 3 games are our bogey teams and one is Arsenal away 😬

They could be still bottling the league at that point.

 

And we should have won there last year too.

 

 

Edited April 14 by dcmk

[TRC]

Just now, nufcjmc said:

Strongly agree with this despite how well thought out the pro and con arguement has been debated by some very well intentioned forum members. 

 

He could go and move on and excel elsewhere while we appoint the wrong replacement or have another season of transition and change potentially unpicking howes team

 

Or we could back, support and commit to howe and it massively backfire with issues Howe  himself has said at times he is either baffled by or these things work themselves out with little to no change. 

 

Hope is all we  can do whatever the club decides is the right call as the club matters above everything else.

An that’s exactly what will happen, the hindsight geniuses are going to fucking love next season. One side will claim to be right.

[Chicken Dancer]

Yep. Anything the club does next will be considered a risk. 
 

A) stick with Howe, spend a lot of money on his players in the summer, we start shite and end up binning him by Christmas. Another manager comes in and probably wants a small overhaul next summer. 
 

b) part ways with Howe, appoint someone who just ends up being shit and we all end up pining for Howe again. 
 

There is of course the opposite of both options - where we can be really good with Howe or another manager next season. I think people on both sides of the argument struggle to see that as a possibility. 

[nufcjmc]

1 minute ago, Chicken Dancer said:

Yep. Anything the club does next will be considered a risk. 
 

A) stick with Howe, spend a lot of money on his players in the summer, we start shite and end up binning him by Christmas. Another manager comes in and probably wants a small overhaul next summer. 
 

b) part ways with Howe, appoint someone who just ends up being shit and we all end up pining for Howe again. 
 

There is of course the opposite of both options - where we can be really good with Howe or another manager next season. I think people on both sides of the argument struggle to see that as a possibility. 

Regardless who the manager is I personally now don't think we have the tools i.e players due to either their age and inevitable decline or going back to how they were or not good enough.

 

So regardless of who is in the dug out there needs to be changes made. Issue is does a manager/coach change muddy the water or provide a fresh platform for someone else. 

 

May come down to do we want a similar playing style or try again to transition to technical possession based stuff as to how big if a wave to the playing side needs to be made to achieve that. 

 

 

[Kid Icarus]

Just been reliably informed that Peter Beardsley is currently in Gosforth Asda talking to people about Howe (supportively).

[nufc123]

2 minutes ago, Chicken Dancer said:

Yep. Anything the club does next will be considered a risk. 
 

A) stick with Howe, spend a lot of money on his players in the summer, we start shite and end up binning him by Christmas. Another manager comes in and probably wants a small overhaul next summer. 
 

b) part ways with Howe, appoint someone who just ends up being shit and we all end up pining for Howe again. 
 

There is of course the opposite of both options - where we can be really good with Howe or another manager next season. I think people on both sides of the argument struggle to see that as a possibility. 

Think thats a fair summary. For me it depends how we finish the season. Decent finish and I have no problem with Howe having another go at a transfer window. Finish the season in a tragic way there will be some reservations I must admit.

[Robster]

20 minutes ago, JP said:

 

I'm not in any way defending Bruce. Those were the some of the worst years in the clubs history. Just comparing the league form this season with a much stronger squad under Howe. To be in that ballpark is a huge underperformance this season and it is right to have serious question marks around our current manager.

 

 

Not a single person disputes the bit in bold. It's the one thing we are all in agreement on.

What is more the point of discussion is how some fans are not prepared to support him through this period nor feel that he has the ability to improve next season with hopefully a more stable summer behind him. 

As someone referred to earlier, I'd hoped that we as a fan base were better.

 

Still utterly ridiculous to compare statistics with that useless lying fuckhead though. 

[Jackie Broon]

Ultimately, I think he is probably in a position now where at the end of the season he will have to convince our owners that he has a plan to turn things back around, I think he'll have to sell that plan like he did his plan to keep us up when he was appointed.

 

He doesn't look like he has that in him. People talk about our players giving up, but he looks like that more than anyone on the sidelines and it seems like he has no idea how to fix things, because he's said as much.

[Mills and Boon]

2 hours ago, Wallsendmag said:

 

He's a rubbish midfielder and that's where Howe plays him, on the rare occasions he does play him.

 

That's bobbins. He's played up top far more than in midfield. He was dropped into midfield to cover injuries and to get him involved in the game, something which wasn't happening when he was playing up front.

 

He's also played 10 more games this season than he did last season for Stuttgart

 

 

Edited April 14 by Mills and Boon

[Holmesy]

39 minutes ago, Robster said:

Not a single person disputes the bit in bold. It's the one thing we are all in agreement on.

What is more the point of discussion is how some fans are not prepared to support him through this period nor feel that he has the ability to improve next season with hopefully a more stable summer behind him. 

As someone referred to earlier, I'd hoped that we as a fan base were better.

 

Still utterly ridiculous to compare statistics with that useless lying fuckhead though. 

This is purely opinion-based though and everyone is entitled to their own. What we are witnessing isn't just a downturn in form, it's a downturn in form that has now spanned a season and we are seeing no sign that things are being addressed to try and change it. Eddie is so wedded to his plan A that his only response when it doesn't work is plan A again. That's not something that inspires confidence.

The difference from previous seasons is that plan A largely worked. Now it doesn't work and he doesn't seem to have an answer. 

Where you're coming from is essentially Eddie will get plan A working again, and you'd better hope he does because he clearly doesn't have another one. Just hoy some better players at the problem and we'll be back firing. Whereas I don't think it's unreasonable to suggest that a manager at a club of this size should have more in his arsenal than just one playbook. We haven't seen this weakness play out like this before, which is why people haven't spoken about him in these terms before.

We signed Woltemade in the summer, clearly a very talented player. Rather than adjust the way we play to accommodate him and get the best out of him, he's either shoe-horned into midfield, with a winger playing up front, or he's benched. Shouldn't our manager have more flexibility than that, seriously?

If you'd have asked me at the start of the season, after a few shit performances, i'd probably have said "Eddie will sort it". But it's not just the fact he hasn't, it's the fact we are still doing the same shit and getting the same results - he has caused the doubt through his actions (or inaction). It's not just a bunch of people going "we've lost a few games, get him out". We're watching a huge regression unfold in front of our eyes and the manager's response is to just do the same thing.

That's why the belief in his ability to improve has been eroded, not because of entitlement or kneejerk reactions, because our manager is consistently showing us his limitations (for the first time).

 

 

 

Edited April 14 by Holmesy

[Wallsendmag]

18 minutes ago, Mills and Boon said:

 

That's bobbins. He's played up top far more than in midfield. He was dropped into midfield to cover injuries and to get him involved in the game, something which wasn't happening when he was playing up front.

 

He's also played 10 more games this season than he did last season for Stuttgart

 

 

 

 

He's played in midfield more than he's played up top recently. Also he played 28 times for Stuttgart last season and 33 this season so if there's bobbins being spoken here it's by you. As a team we've played far more games than Stuttgart played last season for further perspective.

[Mills and Boon]

2 minutes ago, Wallsendmag said:

 

He's played in midfield more than he's played up top recently. Also he played 28 times for Stuttgart last season and 33 this season so if there's bobbins being spoken here it's by you. As a team we've played far more games than Stuttgart played last season for further perspective.

 

He's played 46 games in all competitions for Newcastle this season

[Wallsendmag]

1 minute ago, Mills and Boon said:

 

He's played 46 games in all competitions for Newcastle this season

 

33 starts compared to 28 last season. Currently being used as a rather ineffectual midfielder.

[Mills and Boon]

So he doesn't rarely play, nor does he usually play in midfield. Glad we got that sorted

[TRon]

33 minutes ago, Jackie Broon said:

Ultimately, I think he is probably in a position now where at the end of the season he will have to convince our owners that he has a plan to turn things back around, I think he'll have to sell that plan like he did his plan to keep us up when he was appointed.

 

He doesn't look like he has that in him. People talk about our players giving up, but he looks like that more than anyone on the sidelines and it seems like he has no idea how to fix things, because he's said as much.

 

 

I think a lot will depend on who takes ownership of last summer's transfer window. The way I see it, the CEO isn't going to sanction endless spending, it has to be in line with SCR. So if Howe isn't happy with his strike options, how do we fix that considering both Wolt and Wissa would have to be sold at a loss in order to buy new ones? 

 

If they were bought over his head (which I doubt) then he can justifiably throw it back at the board and tell them to deal with it. Will Howe be happy with sacrificing his blue chip players in order to get the ones he wants in? Or will he be happy to let Wilson bring players in and just coach the ones he's given?

 

 

[Mahoneys Tache]

1 hour ago, Wallsendmag said:

 

I never said it was.

No. But you said the money was spent on rubbish. He’s not rubbish. His lack of goals isn’t down to his lack of ability 

[AyeDubbleYoo]

1 hour ago, Jackie Broon said:

Ultimately, I think he is probably in a position now where at the end of the season he will have to convince our owners that he has a plan to turn things back around, I think he'll have to sell that plan like he did his plan to keep us up when he was appointed.

 

He doesn't look like he has that in him. People talk about our players giving up, but he looks like that more than anyone on the sidelines and it seems like he has no idea how to fix things, because he's said as much.

Hopefully the plan for next season has been talked about already. 

[DC Magpie]

1 hour ago, Mahoneys Tache said:

Which isn’t wolte’s fault 

 

His mishandling of the Woltemade situation is, to me, this season's biggest indictment against Howe.

 

Well, maybe that and his mind boggling "oh we've given up the lead again...time to call in the subs" Groundhog Day approach to seeing out games.

 

I'm not sure the grass would be greener with a new manager, but our performances are soul crushing right now.