Eddie Howe

[500bhp]

20 minutes ago, magorific said:

It’s that type of attitude which defines successful clubs?

 

Man Utd finished 11th and 13th in the seasons leading up to their first trophy under Ferguson.

 
Tottenham recorded two runners-up finishes and got to a Champions League final under Poch, and sacked him the following season when they were … 14th in the table.

 

Liverpool finished eighth in Klopp’s first season in charge…

 

 

 

 

So how far do we have to drop before you think we should change the manager? Are you OK with finishing 16th or 18th or 20th. Maybe get relegated next season and let Howe try to take us back up in 2028.

 

We are on a downwards spiral and sadly nothing I've seen in the last 12 or so league games gives me any confidence he is capable of reversing this trend. 

 

I can't be arsed to go through the history books of PL clubs but I'm sure I can find multiple examples of clubs that dropped 10 league places, replaced their manager, and then went on to achieve greater success. Your Fergie at Man U example was about 40 years ago, football is a little bit different now. 

[KetteringMag]

I wish he’d just walk so he can go before it gets too toxic for him, everyone knows it’s done , he’s started having fall outs with players , just do the right thing Eddie 

[TheEntertainer]

I think people who are talking about the transfer window being a disaster and saying we should give Eddie another window to try and sort it out are missing the point that Eddie has been coaching these players all season. Elanga was great last season, Wissa was great last season, Woltemade was great last season, I was excited about Ramsey coming in because he'd been consistently good (though never great) for Villa, Thiaw had had a solid season with Milan without really excelling and we knew what we were getting with Ramsdale a pretty good keeper who was never quite top tier. We actually brought in a crop of good players on paper and they've all got significantly worse this season with the possible exception of Thiaw. That's down to coaching and whatever else is going on behind the scenes at the club currently. 

 

On paper, the window should have been fine and we should have been aiming for European football again, losing Isak was always going to hurt, but we brought in a raft of players who should have improved the team. The problem wasn't the window (though yes Iask is a rat and obviously that had an impact but these things happen in football) but what has happened to those players since the window and honestly that's down to Eddie. 

 

And yes he's been fantastic for the club and given me some of the best years I've had as a fan, but it's clearly and obviously over now and both parties desperately need a change. 

 

 

Edited April 18 by TheEntertainer

[magorific]

15 minutes ago, 500bhp said:

 

So how far do we have to drop before you think we should change the manager? Are you OK with finishing 16th or 18th or 20th. Maybe get relegated next season and let Howe try to take us back up in 2028.

 

We are on a downwards spiral and sadly nothing I've seen in the last 12 or so league games gives me any confidence he is capable of reversing this trend. 

 

I can't be arsed to go through the history books of PL clubs but I'm sure I can find multiple examples of clubs that dropped 10 league places, replaced their manager, and then went on to achieve greater success. Your Fergie at Man U example was about 40 years ago, football is a little bit different now. 

You can’t be arsed to do any research, so how would you know?

 

You said - unreservedly - that successful clubs would regard Howe as a busted flush. I’ve given you a modern-day example of a club who benefitted from not making a kneejerk reaction to one poor season (a season which saw Liverpool also win only six of 14 Europa League games), and an example of a club who have never recovered from a kneejerk sacking.

 

Neither of the managers involved had to endure the shitstorm that Isak and the lack of strategic leadership at SJP inflicted on Howe.

 

And if you think the pressure on/expectation of Howe at Newcastle is greater than it was for Ferguson at Man United, you really need to learn your history.

[TRC]

It’s a shame this is the weakest PL for some time. Lost our last 3 all games tha were winnable and we are 14th instead of 6th and 3 points clear

[Wolfcastle]

He's done a bad job this season whatever the personnel.  Doesn't mean you just play dreck all season and throw away leads to record degrees.

Probably happened a thousand times where a manager affects players they inherit in much shorter time than the duration of this season.

Eddie himself did that when he came in even if the results didn't instantly follow.

He's not doomed to being unable to do anything with what we have now (almost all his regardless what happened last summer) and were seeing nothing at by the back end of April.

[Jesse Pinkman]

Can any Eddie Howe in fans tell me why he isn’t using Woltemade, one of the top strikers in Europe, or Wissa, a striker that scored circa 20 goals in the PL last season, and instead is using our third choice striker or a winger up top for over half the season? 
 

Why isn’t Howe being dragged over the coals for this? He’s just wasted over £100m for the club. With talented players being under utilised.

 

 

Edited April 18 by Jesse Pinkman

[Turnbull2000]

I like him, I really do. Still hoping to see him here next season. But with £200m of near duds on the books after a catastrophic summer 2025, and at least two of our best players probably off, it's hard to see how we recover to be honest, whoever is managing.

 

 

Edited April 18 by Turnbull2000

[tgarve]

4 minutes ago, Jesse Pinkman said:

Can any Eddie Howe in fans tell me why he isn’t using Woltemade, one of the top strikers in Europe, or Wissa, a striker that scored circa 20 goals in the PL last season, and instead is using our third choice striker or a winger up top for over half the season? 
 

Why isn’t Howe being dragged over the coals for this? He’s just wasted over £100m for the club. With talented players being under utilised.

 

 

 

One of the top strikers in Europe 😂😂😂😂😂

[500bhp]

4 minutes ago, magorific said:

You can’t be arsed to do any research, so how would you know?

 

You said - unreservedly - that successful clubs would regard Howe as a busted flush. I’ve given you a modern-day example of a club who benefitted from not making a kneejerk reaction to one poor season (a season which saw Liverpool also win only six of 14 Europa League games), and an example of a club who have never recovered from a kneejerk sacking.

 

Neither of the managers involved had to endure the shitstorm that Isak and the lack of strategic leadership at SJP inflicted on Howe.

 

And if you think the pressure on/expectation of Howe at Newcastle is greater than it was for Ferguson at Man United, you really need to learn your history.

 

Answer my question please. How far do we have to drop before you think about changing the manager? 14th now, maybe its 16th or 18th or 20th? What's your cut off point?

 

I've been watching football at SJP since 1980, longer than some but not as long as others. 40 years ago we didn't have social media or 24-7 Sky Sports News or the Champions League, or even live football most weekends. I'd say the pressure on PL managers at the biggest clubs (which includes NUFC) is greater now than in the 80s. 

[Jesse Pinkman]

Just now, tgarve said:

One of the top strikers in Europe 😂😂😂😂😂

17 goals in Bundesliga, Germany starting striker, top goal scorer in Euro U21. He’s a top player until Howe managed him. 
 

It’s like Bruce with Schar all over again. 

 

[TRon]

8 minutes ago, TheEntertainer said:

I think people who are talking about the transfer window being a disaster and saying we should give Eddie another window to try and sort it out are missing the point that Eddie has been coaching these players all season. Elanga was great last season, Wissa was great last season, Woltemade was great last season, I was excited about Ramsey coming in because he'd been consistently good (though never great) for Villa, Thiaw had had a solid season with Milan without really excelling and we knew what we were getting with Ramsdale a pretty good keeper who was never quite top tier. We actually brought in a crop of good players on paper and they've all got significantly worse this season with the possible exception of Thiaw. That's down to coaching and whatever else is going on behind the scenes at the club currently. 

 

On paper, the window should have been fine and we should have been aiming for European football again, losing Isak was always going to hurt, but we brought in a raft of players who should have improved the team. The problem wasn't the window (though yes Iask is a rat and obviously that had an impact but these things happen in football) but what has happened to those players since the window and honestly that's down to Eddie. 

 

And yes he's been fantastic for the club and given me some of the best years I've had as a fan, but it's clearly and obviously over now and both parties desperately need a change. 

 

 

 

 

 

Would be interesting to see what these same players would look like playing a different team. Individually they shouldn't look as bad as they do, but they look terrible playing in our system, whatever that is now. 

 

I just don't know where we go from here if we double down with Howe. He's not going to make these players work, and the ones who are half decent want out. What would be the plan? Sell the flops at a loss and then buy young hopefuls in their place? That doesn't sound like it would work either. 

 

I think the only way the board can look at this is the players are better than they are looking right now, and bring someone else in who will play them to their strengths. 

 

Frankly, I don't think that works either. I think we've spent a load of money on poor players and we are in for another tough season next year whatever happens. 

[Keggy_Keagal]

You know how I tell if training is going well and the coach is doing a good job ? 

 

If we play well and win matches. 

[Collage]

17 minutes ago, Jesse Pinkman said:

Can any Eddie Howe in fans tell me why he isn’t using Woltemade, one of the top strikers in Europe, or Wissa, a striker that scored circa 20 goals in the PL last season, and instead is using our third choice striker or a winger up top for over half the season? 
 

Why isn’t Howe being dragged over the coals for this? He’s just wasted over £100m for the club. With talented players being under utilised.

 

 

 

Have you seen Wissa ”play” for us? Wolt has been shite for months as well.

[AyeDubbleYoo]

3 hours ago, Mills and Boon said:

 

I'm not a fan of Gallagher, but Delap would be better in our side than any of the current lot

He’s miles better than anything we have now. Would probably have got us 15 goals this season TBH. 

[Geordie Ahmed]

Probably in a minority but I'm still Howe in and he starts next season for me because 

 

1) I'm patient, I can cope with a shit league season. I don't think a poor season should automatically mean getting the sack

2) The league season has been shit but the cup season was very good, unfortunately that gets overlooked and it's probably naive from Howe to go all in on all 4 competitions despite us not having the squad for it

3) I think he's earned the right to put things right, I think it's stupid to ignore how for the majority of his tenure he's done an incredible job

4) He's far from blameless for this season but it gets overlooked what a shit show last summer was, no CEO and no Sporting Director, he was dragged back from his much needed rest to take on extra responsibilities due to failings at boardroom level

5) The Rat doing what he did was also a massive problem, especially with us selling him so late. 

6) I'm not expecting much from these final 5 games, the lack of confidence/poor mentality has now set in, we just need to draw a line under the season and everyone can hopefully have much needed rest, especially Howe

[Superior Acuña]

39 minutes ago, TRC said:

It’s a shame this is the weakest PL for some time. Lost our last 3 all games tha were winnable and we are 14th instead of 6th and 3 points clear

Remember drawing with the mackems and thinking this is a bit shit. If we’d done that then won these last two games we’d be 6th outright now. 

[KaKa]

4 hours ago, kingxlnc said:

I think the ex DoF leaving at the start of the summer doesn’t get enough focus
 

he ahould have seen us through one window at least especially after being here for a year without a signing, he had plenty of time to get things in order

 

leaving us in the lurch meant it was all downhill from there 

 

He didn't see eye to eye with Howe and wasn't going to go out of his way to do him any favours I imagine.

 

Sometimes can't help but wonder what kinds of signings would have been made if they had come to an agreement on the players Mitchell was looking to bring in.

[TheBrownBottle]

35 minutes ago, magorific said:

You can’t be arsed to do any research, so how would you know?

 

You said - unreservedly - that successful clubs would regard Howe as a busted flush. I’ve given you a modern-day example of a club who benefitted from not making a kneejerk reaction to one poor season (a season which saw Liverpool also win only six of 14 Europa League games), and an example of a club who have never recovered from a kneejerk sacking.

 

Neither of the managers involved had to endure the shitstorm that Isak and the lack of strategic leadership at SJP inflicted on Howe.

 

And if you think the pressure on/expectation of Howe at Newcastle is greater than it was for Ferguson at Man United, you really need to learn your history.

The Ferguson example isn’t a good one at all, though - it effectively is from a previous era, when Man Utd’s annual turnover was less than they pay salary for a midfielder.  It isn’t ’a modern day example’ - Ferguson would’ve been sacked long before 90/91 in the modern era.  Ferguson’s previous track record also dwarfed someone like Howe’s - the Scottish top flight was a much higher standard back then, winning two titles and European trophy (beating R Madrid in the final) is just light years away from Howe (not a criticism of Howe, but there seems to be a lot of assumptions that Howe is on that level.  He patently isn’t). 
 

Howe’s transfers and the team’s performances - his responsibility - are liable to cost the club a lot of money (it isn’t melodramatic to say hundreds of millions).  He’s had far more rope than most would have.   He’s been given a shit hand by the owners, whose absenteeism has allowed this shit show to occur.  But the players he signed and has failed to draft into his side remains his responsibility - they may not have been his first choices, but he signed three of the four most expensive players’ in the club’s history last summer, and this isn’t good enough.  

[Chicken Dancer]

2 hours ago, dcmk said:

Think he sorts the mess out in the summer.  One game a week, he gets us back into Europe.

He's sorted out issues with the team in the past, have total faith.  Just needs some patience.

I keep hearing this one game a week thing, but what about when we get back in Europe? Goes to shit again?

 

If you can’t manage a European campaign for a club that aspires to play it in every year what’s the point?

[KaKa]

I just don't understand his approach at the minute.

 

I think giving Osula a run upfront has been a big call that has paid off so far as he's scored in both games.

 

Why stop there though? Just play Woltemade with him upfront and shake things up further and lets see if we can make something else work.

 

Even if it didn't work out he'd at least get some credit for trying something else. Things are not going well anyway.

 

Can't help but feel he's just shooting himself in the foot further by being so rigid tactically. It's so weird.

[LionOfGosforth]

4 minutes ago, Chicken Dancer said:

I keep hearing this one game a week thing, but what about when we get back in Europe? Goes to shit again?

 

If you can’t manage a European campaign for a club that aspires to play it in every year what’s the point?

 

What do you think our ceiling is under the current financial rules?

[Chicken Dancer]

1 minute ago, LionOfGosforth said:

 

What do you think our ceiling is under the current financial rules?

Being able to play in Europe consistently for sure, without being 14th with 5 games left would be even better. 
 

For some reason people hate using Villa as an example but they’ve shown you can play in Europe without being absolutely shit in the league. I also understand the leagues been a bit queer this year in the sense the points difference between say 6th and 15th isn’t that great but it doesn’t take away from the fact we’ve been absolutely dire in the majority of our league games.

 

I’m also not sure we can really whinge about PSR too much when we blipped so much money last summer. 

[Armchair Pundit]

2 minutes ago, Chicken Dancer said:

I keep hearing this one game a week thing, but what about when we get back in Europe? Goes to shit again?

 

If you can’t manage a European campaign for a club that aspires to play it in every year what’s the point?

 

Don't you think a large part of the team not being able to handle being in Europe was ever so slightly affected by the following:

• An aging team of players who desperately needed reinforcement, not just for those aging players, but also for quality in depth to cover the extra games
• The team losing it's top striker and backup striker, who were replaced at the very end of the transfer window, with no pre-season
• The new players we did get in having reduced training time to get them onboard with the way the team plays and the intricacies of any tactics used
• Injuries to key players, adding to the stretching of the already thin, established squad

I must admit, this season has been wearing and I have my frustrations with Eddie's insistence on only having a Plan A, but I'm still reluctant to bin him off after having one poor league season out of four, especially when during said season we still got to the latter stages of all cup comps that we were in.

[dcmk]

14 minutes ago, Chicken Dancer said:

I keep hearing this one game a week thing, but what about when we get back in Europe? Goes to shit again?

 

If you can’t manage a European campaign for a club that aspires to play it in every year what’s the point?

The team has gone totally stale this year. And I think quite a few want to leave right now. Don't think the issues are just about managing multiple competitions.