Eddie Howe

[Mountain]

Eddie is a lovely chap and has been brilliant.

 

But no I don't think "another window" is wise anymore.

 

He's spent hundreds of millions of pounds and we play boring football.

 

I don't even mind us losing really, we're just boring.

 

 

[astraguy]

King Kev P162 W83
Sir Bobby P188 W83
Eddie P172 W82 Saved use from certain relegation 2 x Champions League Campaigns Made the last 16 for the first time 2 domestic cup finals 1st domestic trophy in 70 years NOT THE RIGHT MAN? Your having a laugh 

[Mountain]

27 minutes ago, astraguy said:

King Kev P162 W83
Sir Bobby P188 W83
Eddie P172 W82 Saved use from certain relegation 2 x Champions League Campaigns Made the last 16 for the first time 2 domestic cup finals 1st domestic trophy in 70 years NOT THE RIGHT MAN? Your having a laugh 

 

You're*

[TRC]

I get people are grateful but right now it’s a sinking ship. We haven’t really had any excuses the last 2 games and we haven’t shown up.

[Stottie]

18 minutes ago, TRC said:

I get people are grateful but right now it’s a sinking ship. We haven’t really had any excuses the last 2 games and we haven’t shown up.

 

In three hours of football, our goals were a cross that squirmed through a defender who should have cut it out and throughball that was only onside because the opposition CF played it. The first game was against Crystal Palace's B team for sixty minutes. 

 

We all want the team to win but that is nowhere near good enough.

[Loki679]

The most frustrating thing is that we're going out week after week and doing the same thing which IS NOT WORKING. 

 

If it's not working then you need to change it up and try something new, not just do exactly the same thing over and over again. He needs to get over his stubbornness and do something different from the 433 busted flush. 

[Antipode23]

Just made the mistake of watching Eddie's post match press conference.

 

I really don't want to bag on the guy. But man.

 

To hear him constantly say things to the effect of, "there's no reason we should be playing like this", "it's a bit of a mystery"... like mate, stop lying to us, and yourself. We are dire, we have been for months, and you REFUSE to change anything. You have to know there's a connection. To gaslight us in this way, and treat us like idiots, is totally unacceptable.

 

If you pay attention you'll notice that he answers like a politician - measured, eloquent sure, but often lacking actual substance. Or worse, it's just outright dishonesty.

 

At this point, unfortunately, I think he's revealed himself to be - among his many good qualities- a very stubborn and prideful man, which has ended up damaging the team he built, and is ultimately going to cost him his job.

[Antipode23]

6 minutes ago, Antipode23 said:

Just made the mistake of watching Eddie's post match press conference.

 

I really don't want to bag on the guy. But man.

 

To hear him constantly say things to the effect of, "there's no reason we should be playing like this", "it's a bit of a mystery"... like mate, stop lying to us, and yourself. We are dire, we have been for months, and you REFUSE to change anything. You have to know there's a connection. To gaslight us in this way, and treat us like idiots, is totally unacceptable.

 

If you pay attention you'll notice that he answers like a politician - measured, eloquent sure, but often lacking actual substance. Or worse, it's just outright dishonesty.

 

At this point, unfortunately, I think he's revealed himself to be - among his many good qualities- a very stubborn and prideful man, which has ended up damaging the team he built, and is ultimately going to cost him his job.

 

Before anyone piles in on the stubborn and prideful thing, what other explanation is there for his constant narrow mindedness and refusal to change?

 

I cannot accept that he doesn't know there are other formations. I cannot accept he has zero idea how to coach these players to play possession football. I cannot accept that he is unaware of better value transfer options than 150m for Wissa, Elanga and Ramsey.

 

The evidence suggests he knows there are other ways of doing things but refuses to even try them.

 

I say these things because I'm gutted about what's happened to our club, and even what Eddie is doing to his own legacy.  It's all so unnecessary.

 

 

Edited April 19 by Antipode23

[toontownman]

3 hours ago, Mountain said:

Eddie is a lovely chap and has been brilliant.

 

But no I don't think "another window" is wise anymore.

 

He's spent hundreds of millions of pounds and we play boring football.

 

I don't even mind us losing really, we're just boring.

 

 

 

We were so exciting in his first year and a half. Then teams worked us out, now we cant work out how to be exciting again or work out other teams. 

 

Hopefully we come full circle or its the end for Eddie.

[Coffee_Johnny]

 

 

Here is the record by Howe and co. broken down by half season. The 22 points for 2026 is estimated assuming we get the same woeful 1.16 points per game from the last five games, as we have achieved from the first 14.

 

Couple of things stand out for me. Firstly, this season is different (which is a statistical 'no shit Sherlock...'). Secondly, it still doesn't massively pull down his averages overall. 63 points fairly evenly picked up across the season. So maybe, it is best considered as being a blip rather than tailspin. 

 

I think it has been even harder to take the decline as many believed we would step up a level this season. Personally, despite the last minute deals in the summer and unaware of how many games we would end-up playing, or how the newbies would/wouldn't perform, I was expecting us to put to together our best two halves (long shot at a pun, intended...) and achieve something like the 38 points from the first 19 games of 2022-23 and the 38 points from the second half of 2021-22 (76 points, 2.0 points per game). Instead we have fallen off badly to way below the NUFC average PL era points per game average of 1.40 points per game. 

[Yorkie]

Slept on it and feel much the same this morning.

 

I don't think he's the main reason we are where we are, but him leaving could nevertheless be part of the solution.

 

My tipping point has always been "are the players still playing for him?" Annoyingly it's really difficult to take a clean view on that at the end of the season, where the players might be starting to phone it in regardless. 

[Coffee_Johnny]

Another set of numbers to view Eddie Howe's managerial competency through.

 

 

He's won over half of the games we have played. His win record in the premier league is bettered only by Keegan (51%).

Robson comes in third with 44%. 

 

His win record this season (36%) which has been tough to take, is actually still better than most of managers in recent times.

So maybe part of the extreme emotional reactions is a loved manager falling from a Keegan/Robson level of return to close to the level of a Pardew (37% wins in 155 games) or a Dalglish (34% wins in 56 games). Though interestingly, Howe's bad season is still much more palatable than Rafa's total PL record for us; winning 31% of 86 games.

 

 

[Guillaume]

Seems to be the players have given up, players who aren't exactly the best in the PL but should be good enough and are paid well enough to finish in the top 7.

 

Do we swap the manager and have an overhaul or give him the chance to do the overhaul. It's a tough question as a bad start to next season and it'll not be a nice place to be. 

 

I think he will resign anyway, and the players win. Obviously Eddie is far from blameless too though.

[Zero]

I think it’s worthy for discussion on WHY the players would down-tool or given up on Howe. Yea I know the rat had some impact on other players but still it shouldn’t be like that. Now it’s like he has loss the dressing room

[Coffee_Johnny]

Last 'Stat attack' but worth considering the idea that past performance maybe be a better predictor of future performance than disappointment fuelled predictions of what the future would hold if we stick rather than twist. 

 

 

 

[Gawalls]

4 hours ago, Antipode23 said:

 

Before anyone piles in on the stubborn and prideful thing, what other explanation is there for his constant narrow mindedness and refusal to change?

 

I cannot accept that he doesn't know there are other formations. I cannot accept he has zero idea how to coach these players to play possession football. I cannot accept that he is unaware of better value transfer options than 150m for Wissa, Elanga and Ramsey.

 

The evidence suggests he knows there are other ways of doing things but refuses to even try them.

 

I say these things because I'm gutted about what's happened to our club, and even what Eddie is doing to his own legacy.  It's all so unnecessary.

 

 

 

That's exactly where I'm at - I saw the lineup yesterday and even though it's hit a wall as teams have worked us out and especially Bournemouth have it was the same lineup and same formation. 

 

It was do or die for me - gets a win then he gets to spin the "my approach will pull us out eventually, I never lost belief" but if we lose yet another, making it 4 from the last 5 home then you look a stubborn idiot.

 

 

Edited April 19 by Gawalls

[Antipode23]

11 minutes ago, Coffee_Johnny said:

Another set of numbers to view Eddie Howe's managerial competency through.

 

 

He's won over half of the games we have played. His win record in the premier league is bettered only by Keegan (51%).

Robson comes in third with 44%. 

 

His win record this season (36%) which has been tough to take, is actually still better than most of managers in recent times.

So maybe part of the extreme emotional reactions is a loved manager falling from a Keegan/Robson level of return to close to the level of a Pardew (37% wins in 155 games) or a Dalglish (34% wins in 56 games). Though interestingly, Howe's bad season is still much more palatable than Rafa's total PL record for us; winning 31% of 86 games.

 

 

 

You have to compare managers in context though right? Did the other managers have the same (relative) freedom to spend as Eddie, for example? I'm sure there are other contextual differences that make comparisons hard to do.

 

I also think Eddie's drop off this season shouldn't be minimised or deflected from. Imo it has been largely self-inflicted and is a warning sign of things to come - not a mere blip as some are suggesting.

 

 

[Menace]

33 minutes ago, Yorkie said:

Slept on it and feel much the same this morning.

 

I don't think he's the main reason we are where we are, but him leaving could nevertheless be part of the solution.

 

My tipping point has always been "are the players still playing for him?" Annoyingly it's really difficult to take a clean view on that at the end of the season, where the players might be starting to phone it in regardless. 

 

It's my biggest worry. I really don't want it to get toxic and everyone turns on him and forgets what he's actually done for this club.

 

It's going to be a revolving door moment regardless what the club decides to do. I just hope it's the right thing.

[Ben]

Im not sure Howe will even want to be here next season, he looks broken just now, games seem like a chore to him at the minute 

[Andy]

30 minutes ago, Yorkie said:

Slept on it and feel much the same this morning.

 

I don't think he's the main reason we are where we are, but him leaving could nevertheless be part of the solution.

 

My tipping point has always been "are the players still playing for him?" Annoyingly it's really difficult to take a clean view on that at the end of the season, where the players might be starting to phone it in regardless. 

 

Pretty much what I felt after watching the game yesterday. The players aren't playing for him IMO, it's clear at this stage that they're not carrying out whatever plan he has to their fullest. They're just going through the motions. 

 

Rather than fighting for him when his job has come under question, they're playing like they think he's as good as gone. I think the Barca game in particular may have been the final straw for some of them, since then it's been pretty half arsed across the board, and certainly not the reaction we all expected.  

[Zero]

I don’t know and I ain’t digging on Howe, but it does look like the players have some discontent with Howe / the coaches. I really don’t know why. The recent press re commitment does spring to my mind.

[Holloway]

I don't necessarily think the players have given up, they are still trying but have lost belief in the process, if that makes sense. If Eddie is continuing to drum his methods into them but they are collectively thinking ' but this isn't working anymore boss', there is only going to be more of the same decline. So the question is : rebuild with a different approach in mind, rebuild with a similar approach but with a younger, more suitable set of players, or turn to somebody else and refund the project with his ideas in mind.

[Kid Icarus]

8 hours ago, Stuy_O said:

 

No one is ignoring it.

It's a daily occurrence that Howe is specifically blamed for the summer and by a different poster each time. 

[Stuy_O]

3 minutes ago, Kid Icarus said:

It's a daily occurrence that Howe is specifically blamed for the summer and by a different poster each time. 

 

So not ignoring it then, thanks. 

 

The summer was a collective disaster, no one escapes any blame. 

[Jesse Pinkman]

4 minutes ago, Kid Icarus said:

It's a daily occurrence that Howe is specifically blamed for the summer and by a different poster each time. 

Well he has to take some of the blame but there are others who are also at fault as well. Like everything it’s not black and white.