Eddie Howe

[TheEntertainer]

1 hour ago, mondonewc said:

One hugely important factor in all of this is confidence and momentum. Almost every player in these past few games looks devoid of any confidence whilst momentum in any sport is huge, we have zero positive momentum, a ton of negative momentum, and it's telling on the pitch.

 

In the past when we've had blips Eddie's been quick to turn the tide and stop those mini rots, this past few months sadly he hasn't managed to achieve that.

 

Do I think we should sack him for that? No I don't.

 

Do I think he's lost the dressing room? No I don't.

 

This period we are going through now has happened to much better teams then ours, were a bad spell spirals into a bad season. Liverpool's title winning side under Klopp being one of many examples.

 

Howe gets bashed for being too rigged with the system, can anyone give examples of managers who ripped up the system past half way through the season to try and turn results around? I literally cant think of one example, these are top managers in one of the most successful leagues in the world and they arent doing it that I can recall.

 

He also gets bashed for playing the same team, this is just factually not correct, just check the lineups this season. 

 

I'm pro Howe, I want him to stay, that's not to say I don't think he's made mistakes this season, nor does it mean I think he's close to perfect, he's not.

 

One huge gripe I have with those who are Howe out is the disrespect shown from some. I'm not going to make direct examples of it, but there's a lot of it in here and I think its disgraceful. 

 

This is a man of the utmost class, grafts his arse off day in day out for the club, not one person would question his effort to the cause. If you want him out fine, but show him the respect he fucking deserves!!!

 

 

 

I've not seen any disrespect, I remember there was some guy about a month ago who came in absolutely raging and everyone quite rightly took the piss out of him, I've not seen anyone else be even vaguely disrespectful. I feel like this comes up every couple of days with no evidence to back it up. 

[Dokko]

1 minute ago, TheEntertainer said:

I've not seen any disrespect, I remember there was some guy about a month ago who came in absolutely raging and everyone quite rightly took the piss out of him, I've not seen anyone else be even vaguely disrespectful. I feel like this comes up every couple of days with no evidence to back it up. 

 

Very little of it, and the last bastion of defence for the indefensible. If anything, the defenders of Howe have been the most disrespectful, relying on personal insults as their argument deminishes.

 

I think Howe has escaped personal criticism (which by now any manager in our history would have been subject to) and the man respected throughout. most are just disappointed in how it's panned out. And Some have stopped letting the one game (final) cloud their judgement sooner than others.

[duo]

44 minutes ago, KaKa said:

[Yorkie]

23 minutes ago, Rich said:

If you can be arsed to walk over the High Level and pay silly money for a pint, the Central was lovely and quiet after the derby.

 

Was there with the gang yesterday, really liked it. Berties Shirts too; great spot and a fun collection.

[Wallsendmag]

3 hours ago, Jackie Broon said:

 

What concerns me is that the same issues have been present all season and, more than the players, he has gone stale. It seems he can't motivate his players like he previously could, we're tactically stale and you could set your watch by his substitutions. There's absolutely no indication that a squad refresh would resolve tge issues we have.

 

 

 

 

 

 

He's been here 4.5 years. Things going stale is understandable. That's why typically Premier League managers are replaced after around 18 months at all but the very top teams as they can afford to chop and change their players more often when things aren't working out.

 

He's repeating the same old nonsense in his press conferences and post match interviews. He doesn't inspire like he used to in that respect and if his demeanor is the same with the players it's little wonder that they appear to be under motivated and his HT team talks seen to have completely the opposite effect that they're supposed to.

 

Even throwing another £250m at him in the summer (not sure if we are even able to or not) won't make a great deal of difference if the above is still the case, and also if he stubbornly sticks to the same tactics and same way of playing.

[Minhosa]

Where I think things get very interesting is around the consequences of changing Howe now. The summer window doesnt just happen over that period it’s the months of work that goes into lining up deals. Speaking with agents, schmoozing the prospective players, working on the financials. Now, if you think we’re possibly going to need to sign up to 9 new faces, Wilson and Co. will have been working overtime to get things in place. Particularly so with it being a World Cup year.  
 

I’m fairly sure Howe will have been engaged during this whole period of time and have had a major input into what he wants, what he doesn’t want (in terms of player profile) and, importantly, which players he needs to fit into his starting 11 next season. The big thing there being, they’ll have been selected as he feels they’ll work in his system and his, fairly rigid, approach. 
 

Changing him undoes all of that work and, at 9 new faces, that’s a huge problem. 
 

Anybody coming in, would almost certainly want to play their own system and barely any of Howe’s targets would probably appeal. 
 

We could be looking at another clusterfuck of a summer if Howe leaves in respect of our transfer business. Last summer set us back years, another one with the same magnitude of mistakes, could finish the project altogether. 
 

In my mind, this is a huge reason to stick with Eddie if the club feel he still has the hunger. 
 

This isn’t a ‘be careful what you wish for’ style post or suggesting we stick with him forever but in terms of timing, now isn’t it from a transfer/squad building perspective. 

[Elma]

3 hours ago, 500bhp said:

 

Please don't take this the wrong way and I'm not trying to be a smart arse but were you at the match yesterday? Unusually for me I had no alcohol pre game for the first time in years, so I used the opportunity to look closely and soberly at the players instead of just following the action and the ball. Most of those players were half arsed, didn't track back and seem to have given up. Trippier second half being a noticeable exception. 

 

Its just a small thing but when the players ran out to start the second half both sets has small cones to run around to warm up with a coach there from each team. Bournemouth players did it properly listening to the coach, making eye contact and acknowledged him. Ours couldn't be give a shit and virtually all ignored the coach and run over the cones. I know that sounds trivial but it sums up the current mood in the camp. 

 

That's fair enough. I live in London and the last game I was up for was Brentford. I watched the game live on TV so am basing my opinion off that, and also what I'm hearing from contacts who work at the club.

 

I suspect some players are playing within themselves, whether that's due to not getting enough minutes, end of season fatigue, or have one eye on the world cup.

 

I think for the majority of players it's a confidence issue and that's on Eddie to resolve. A good manager will find their way out of a slump. Man City took five points from a nine game streak last season. Eddie's got five games to prove he can do it, otherwise there will be legitimate questions asked this summer.

[PauloGeordio]

1 hour ago, KaKa said:

“What the eyes have seen cannot be unseen” 

[Mole]

4 minutes ago, Minhosa said:

Where I think things get very interesting is around the consequences of changing Howe now. The summer window doesnt just happen over that period it’s the months of work that goes into lining up deals. Speaking with agents, schmoozing the prospective players, working on the financials. Now, if you think we’re possibly going to need to sign up to 9 new faces, Wilson and Co. will have been working overtime to get things in place. Particularly so with it being a World Cup year.  
 

I’m fairly sure Howe will have been engaged during this whole period of time and have had a major input into what he wants, what he doesn’t want (in terms of player profile) and, importantly, which players he needs to fit into his starting 11 next season. The big thing there being, they’ll have been selected as he feels they’ll work in his system and his, fairly rigid, approach. 
 

Changing him undoes all of that work and, at 9 new faces, that’s a huge problem. 
 

Anybody coming in, would almost certainly want to play their own system and barely any of Howe’s targets would probably appeal. 
 

We could be looking at another clusterfuck of a summer if Howe leaves in respect of our transfer business. Last summer set us back years, another one with the same magnitude of mistakes, could finish the project altogether. 
 

In my mind, this is a huge reason to stick with Eddie if the club feel he still has the hunger. 
 

This isn’t a ‘be careful what you wish for’ style post or suggesting we stick with him forever but in terms of timing, now isn’t it from a transfer/squad building perspective. 

While that is fair enough, I don't think perfect timing is ever actually going to exist. If the club decides to move in a different direction there's going to be difficulties regardless, just the way it is. 

[Chicken Dancer]

Since we played wolves in Jan we have the same amount of points as them. Ouch. 

[TheEntertainer]

Just now, Chicken Dancer said:

Since we played wolves in Jan we have the same amount of points as them. Ouch. 

You can see that from watching the Prem though right? I watch most of the games. There have been 4 crap teams in the Prem this year, Wolves, Burnley, Spurs and us, Everyone else looks decent. Even West Ham and Forest have looked mostly alright since Jan. I'm glad we got enough points in the first half for it not to matter. 

[Chicken Dancer]

3 minutes ago, TheEntertainer said:

You can see that from watching the Prem though right? I watch most of the games. There have been 4 crap teams in the Prem this year, Wolves, Burnley, Spurs and us, Everyone else looks decent. Even West Ham and Forest have looked mostly alright since Jan. I'm glad we got enough points in the first half for it not to matter. 

Yes agreed. We’re lucky we had that late winner against Man Utd tbh, else we would genuinely be looking over our shoulder with Forest and West Ham to play. 

[Conjo]

36 minutes ago, TheEntertainer said:

I've not seen any disrespect, I remember there was some guy about a month ago who came in absolutely raging and everyone quite rightly took the piss out of him, I've not seen anyone else be even vaguely disrespectful. I feel like this comes up every couple of days with no evidence to back it up. 

 

Last week I've seen someone saying they can't stand the sight of him, a few talking about players "being Howe'd" and some assessing his press conference quotes as if it was frauds like Bruce or Pardew saying them. I'm sure there's more, that was just top of my head.

[Keegans Export]

I've said for a while that I'm reserving judgement until the season is fully played out. Admittedly that was prior to the Palace game where I hoped (or maybe assumed) that the time between matches would result in an improved level of performance. That hasn't happened yet but a lot can still change in five games.

 

As it stands though, I am worried. Watching both on telly and in person it looks like a number of players are switched off. Is it fair that the manager ultimately tends to pay the price for that? No, but that's how it is. And whatever happens in the summer the squad next season will be mostly made up of players we have here now.

 

There's also the overarching issue of "the project". It's not his fault that the leadership has been lacking on that front but if players feel as if they've been sold a dream that isn't likely to come to fruition, does sticking with a manager after a 13th/14th/15th place finish likely to convince them otherwise? 

 

Again, it's not fair and it's not how it should be, but if the choice is replace the manager/coaches or replace 75% of the playing squad there's only going to be one outcome. 

[Zero]

13 minutes ago, Minhosa said:

Where I think things get very interesting is around the consequences of changing Howe now. The summer window doesnt just happen over that period it’s the months of work that goes into lining up deals. Speaking with agents, schmoozing the prospective players, working on the financials. Now, if you think we’re possibly going to need to sign up to 9 new faces, Wilson and Co. will have been working overtime to get things in place. Particularly so with it being a World Cup year.  
 

I’m fairly sure Howe will have been engaged during this whole period of time and have had a major input into what he wants, what he doesn’t want (in terms of player profile) and, importantly, which players he needs to fit into his starting 11 next season. The big thing there being, they’ll have been selected as he feels they’ll work in his system and his, fairly rigid, approach. 
 

Changing him undoes all of that work and, at 9 new faces, that’s a huge problem. 
 

Anybody coming in, would almost certainly want to play their own system and barely any of Howe’s targets would probably appeal. 
 

We could be looking at another clusterfuck of a summer if Howe leaves in respect of our transfer business. Last summer set us back years, another one with the same magnitude of mistakes, could finish the project altogether. 
 

In my mind, this is a huge reason to stick with Eddie if the club feel he still has the hunger. 
 

This isn’t a ‘be careful what you wish for’ style post or suggesting we stick with him forever but in terms of timing, now isn’t it from a transfer/squad building perspective. 

my question is, even if you let Howe to continue, it would be like:

1. No matter how good we recruited, we won’t have a better starting eleven, and as you say, they ain’t coached; and

 

2. The Plan A again.

 

unless you firmly believe the Plan A would work again, in my opinion, this is a recipe of relegation contenders 

[Wolfcastle]

Were going to sell some of our better players this summer and have to wheel and deal - do we get to be shit all next season because of the mitigating circumstances/summer upheaval?

 

[500bhp]

12 minutes ago, Chicken Dancer said:

Since we played wolves in Jan we have the same amount of points as them. Ouch. 

 

Similar to that, I've just noticed that of the 8 PL teams playing today, 6 have beaten us at home in the league 😳. What a grim season its been. 

 

Edit, we did Man City in PL but lost in both cups.

 

 

Edited April 19 by 500bhp
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[TheEntertainer]

5 minutes ago, Conjo said:

 

Last week I've seen someone saying they can't stand the sight of him, a few talking about players "being Howe'd" and some assessing his press conference quotes as if it was frauds like Bruce or Pardew saying them. I'm sure there's more, that was just top of my head.

I do remember the guy saying he couldn't stand the sight of him actually but again he quite rightly got ripped to shreds. 

[Asprilla]

4 hours ago, bobbydazzla said:

Paul McCartney is one of the greatest and most popular songwriters the worlds ever known. The man has genius level songwriting talent.
 

When’s the last time he wrote a decent song ? 
 

The man who was at the heart of some of the greatest, most influential and most popular music ever recorded, also wrote and recorded the fucking Frog Chorus. 
 

Past success is not always an indicator of future success. At some point most people with talent experience decline and never get back to their best. That’s just life.

 

 

 

2005 IMO

 

This Never Happened Before

 

 

[Miggys First Goal]

If we stick with Eddie and he manages to get us top 4 next season, what do we do then when we know he “can’t handle more than 1 game a week” as people would have you believe? Do we let him go after a top 4 finish and bring in someone who can handle more than 1 game a week or do we let him continue on into the 27/28 season and risk the same as this season? 

[TRon]

27 minutes ago, Minhosa said:

Where I think things get very interesting is around the consequences of changing Howe now. The summer window doesnt just happen over that period it’s the months of work that goes into lining up deals. Speaking with agents, schmoozing the prospective players, working on the financials. Now, if you think we’re possibly going to need to sign up to 9 new faces, Wilson and Co. will have been working overtime to get things in place. Particularly so with it being a World Cup year.  
 

I’m fairly sure Howe will have been engaged during this whole period of time and have had a major input into what he wants, what he doesn’t want (in terms of player profile) and, importantly, which players he needs to fit into his starting 11 next season. The big thing there being, they’ll have been selected as he feels they’ll work in his system and his, fairly rigid, approach. 
 

Changing him undoes all of that work and, at 9 new faces, that’s a huge problem. 
 

Anybody coming in, would almost certainly want to play their own system and barely any of Howe’s targets would probably appeal. 
 

We could be looking at another clusterfuck of a summer if Howe leaves in respect of our transfer business. Last summer set us back years, another one with the same magnitude of mistakes, could finish the project altogether. 
 

In my mind, this is a huge reason to stick with Eddie if the club feel he still has the hunger. 
 

This isn’t a ‘be careful what you wish for’ style post or suggesting we stick with him forever but in terms of timing, now isn’t it from a transfer/squad building perspective. 

 

 

The alternative to that would be hire a manager who understands that we already spent a fuckton of money last summer and he should look at using those players first as it may be they are better playing a different style. Either way, I don't think we will be overhauling the squad that much in the summer, although of course if we end up selling players, then they will need replacing. 

[dcmk]

It's a little weird to me that the players get so much more leeway on this forum, then a manager who won us a trophy and some of the best seasons in living memory.

 

For instance because people like Woltemade a lot here, and can't comprehend the decision to not start him, when I fact he's been poor starting up front for a long time.  Howe made the decision to start Osula and that doesn't sit well with people here, despite Howe knowing what's best for the team and probably working with Woltemade a lot on his game..  Like he's done for every player here.

 

It's like people would rather see Woltemade succeed than Howe, which boggles my mind a bit.

[TRon]

1 minute ago, dcmk said:

It's a little weird to me that the players get so much more leeway on this forum, then a manager who won us a trophy and some of the best seasons in living memory.

 

For instance because people like Woltemade a lot here, and can't comprehend the decision to not start him, when I fact he's been poor starting up front for a long time.  Howe made the decision to start Osula and that doesn't sit well with people here, despite Howe knowing what's best for the team and probably working with Woltemade a lot on his game..  Like he's done for every player here.

 

It's like people would rather see Woltemade succeed than Howe, which boggles my mind a bit.

 

 

I don't particularly rate Wolt that much, in fact I distinctly remember describing him as a bit of a fanny. But we bought him, and he does have technique, so there must be some way of playing where he gets to look more effective. 

 

Personally I prefer a striker with pace, but if Howe stays, I think replacing Woltemade and Wissa will be the biggest hurdle. 

[TheEntertainer]

1 minute ago, dcmk said:

It's a little weird to me that the players get so much more leeway on this forum, then a manager who won us a trophy and some of the best seasons in living memory.

 

For instance because people like Woltemade a lot here, and can't comprehend the decision to not start him, when I fact he's been poor starting up front for a long time.  Howe made the decision to start Osula and that doesn't sit well with people here, despite Howe knowing what's best for the team and probably working with Woltemade a lot on his game..  Like he's done for every player here.

 

It's like people would rather see Woltemade succeed than Howe, which boggles my mind a bit.

These comments suggesting people want individuals to succeed at the expense of the club are what boggle my mind. I want Newcastle to succeed, I don't really care who is involved in that. If that means Howe rises like a phoenix from the ashes, brilliant, if it means Howe goes and Nick succeeds under the next manager, brilliant. If they both win and so do Newcastle, brilliant. If they both lose but Newcastle win, brilliant. I don't understand why it always has to be about wanting individuals to succeed or fail. It's not, it's about the team and the club and the identity. 

[mondonewc]

2 hours ago, TheEntertainer said:

I've not seen any disrespect, I remember there was some guy about a month ago who came in absolutely raging and everyone quite rightly took the piss out of him, I've not seen anyone else be even vaguely disrespectful. I feel like this comes up every couple of days with no evidence to back it up. 

I'm not going to quote people directly as I've no interest in the likely commotion that will follow.

 

Just to highlight to one instance, someone said something along the lines of he's not good enough to manage any top club in the league and if he loses his job he will at best get a job at Fulham. I not only think this is disrespectful, but also just plain wrong. 

 

If you dont think that's even vaguely disrespectful then we have a very different line on what constitutes disrespect.

 

 

Edited April 19 by mondonewc