Eddie Howe

[TheBrownBottle]

9 minutes ago, Conjo said:

 

There's a lot of people who should think carefully what the phrase "we only want a team that tries" actually means. To many it just sounds good, but in reality they mean they want a team that wins, because if you're not winning, you're not trying. If you spend a lot of money on players that turns out not to be as good as hoped you're not trying. If you got tactically outdone by another team, you just didn't try enough. Basically, we just want a team that wins. Not too much to ask is it?

*club that tries

[cubaricho]

16 minutes ago, Conjo said:

 

project crashed and burned

players leaving a sinking ship

 

 Get a hold of yourself man. It's for the most part been a dissapointing season, but its merely a little setback. 

 

 

[TheBrownBottle]

10 minutes ago, Mills and Boon said:

 

And Howe was part of the project they bought into. A large, impossible to ignore, vital part of it in fact 

Ho’way man, I’d be surprised if Bruno had heard of Eddie Howe in January 2022

[Mills and Boon]

3 minutes ago, TheBrownBottle said:

Ho’way man, I’d be surprised if Bruno had heard of Eddie Howe in January 2022

 

Do you think he'd have asked about him? Or is it just not a concern and players just sign multi year contracts without a care in the world?

[Danh1]

“We just want a club that tries” 

 

Is this a club trying right now? I wouldn’t say it is. The players certainly aren’t trying, imo. The manager isn’t trying judging by the lack of effort into fixing our problems. 

[TheBrownBottle]

2 minutes ago, Mills and Boon said:

 

Do you think he'd have asked about him? Or is it just not a concern and players just sign multi year contracts without a care in the world?

I think they’d definitely have asked (though I also think some players wouldn’t give a shite).  But I also doubt he was sat there going ‘the bloke from Bournemouth?  I’m in!’

[Chicken Dancer]

Howe’s a fucking legend but I’d be hard pressed to be believe Bruno had a clue who he was before he signed mind  

 

Not to say he didn’t have any impact on the signings btw, but I do think agents would’ve been licking their lips in the early days post-takeover and able to sell us pretty easily as a stepping stone or for big wages. Think that’s changed now. 

[Zero]

1 hour ago, Yorkie said:

 

Well what does that tell you?

 

The thing about him not giving young players a chance has always been horseshit. If they're good enough to play and he's trusted them to enact his tactical gameplan, they've played.

 

“If they’re good enough to play”

[SUPERTOON]

6 minutes ago, Danh1 said:

“We just want a club that tries” 

 

Is this a club trying right now? I wouldn’t say it is. The players certainly aren’t trying, imo. The manager isn’t trying judging by the lack of effort into fixing our problems. 

You can’t believe Howe isn’t trying surely? We have been shit, but the bloke has basically made himself ill with the effort he has put into us.

[Myleftboot]

1 minute ago, SUPERTOON said:

You can’t believe Howe isn’t trying surely? We have been shit, but the bloke has basically made himself ill with the effort he has put into us.

He said recently that he doesn’t sleep much and has zero social life.

[Danh1]

1 minute ago, SUPERTOON said:

You can’t believe Howe isn’t trying surely? We have been shit, but the bloke has basically made himself ill with the effort he has put into us.

Aye I didn’t word that well. Cannot knock the bloke’s work ethic so didn’t mean to come across doing that.

 

However, persisting with the same plan every week, the same reactive subs etc. He isn’t trying anything different to try and fix the problems imo. 

[Fak]

There's no doubt Howe is trying like. The problem is that he's just trying to fix the 4-3-3. I don't think the players are buying into it anymore either coupled with the fact their confidence is shot. 

[Yorkie]

The central point of that banner still holds true imo but it was mainly a product of it's time: a response to the media narrative and various gaslighting that the fans were too demanding - expecting CL football, etc etc. When, in reality, all we were so desperate for was to end the systematic and deliberate neglect by the owner and his grateful lackies from boardroom to dugout. I don't think it's really worth referring to today and/or claiming you don't subscribe to it; I think most will find - in it's true context - they probably did.

 

We're still suffering from the long-term affects of that neglect, btw. We may be forever. 

[SUPERTOON]

Just now, Danh1 said:

Aye I didn’t word that well. Cannot knock the bloke’s work ethic so didn’t mean to come across doing that.

 

However, persisting with the same plan every week, the same reactive subs etc. He isn’t trying anything different to try and fix the problems imo. 

Aye, that’s a fair conversation to have.

[Kid Icarus]

7 minutes ago, Danh1 said:

“We just want a club that tries” 

 

Is this a club trying right now? I wouldn’t say it is. The players certainly aren’t trying, imo. The manager isn’t trying judging by the lack of effort into fixing our problems. 

It's an answer that's convenient cover for the club that tries statement, but the idea that all three of those aren't trying is about as ridiculous as it gets.

 

I didn't really buy that post earlier where someone said that people are equating winning with trying, but reading what you're saying there he might have a point.

[black_n_white]

11 hours ago, Cf said:

And on the subject of PSR the more I think on it the more I can't help but think the reason we're struggling so much is because we dared to want to move onto the next level and PSR said no.

 

Obviously the complete shambles of the board last couple of years hasn't helped.

 

But if anything we aimed too high with our targets last season. It struct me last night watching the City game that we were previously linked with Khusanov and obviously there was the Guehi saga. Both now in the back line for City.  Mbeumo, Pedro, Ekitike, Trafford, Isak. All went to more "prestigious" clubs/clubs who could pay more.

 

In hindsight we'd have been better staying in our lane and shopping in the cheaper market hoping to uncover the next gems or players Eddie can train. But bear in mind of course that due to CL we've had minimal training time. But this approach just turns us into Brighton and the like.

 

We've done this to death but PSR is still a major factor of our problems here.

You’d like to think and probably forced upon we would now shop in that cheaper market with no European football. Maybe the thought of Champions League was a contributor to the high value targets? 

[Danh1]

3 minutes ago, Kid Icarus said:

It's an answer that's convenient cover for the club that tries statement, but the idea that all three of those aren't trying is about as ridiculous as it gets.

 

I didn't really buy that post earlier where someone said that people are equating winning with trying, but reading what you're saying there he might have a point.

I never mentioned anything about winning or expecting to win. I expect the players to do their utmost to stop us conceding some of the pathetic goals we have recently. Players not bothering to get back and letting players walk past them.
 

 I expect our manager to actually do something about the weak as piss defeats rather than come out and say how it is uncharacteristic. 
 

We have been in limp mode for ages. If you think that’s trying the fair play. 

[Wolfcastle]

22 minutes ago, Mills and Boon said:

 

Do you think he'd have asked about him? Or is it just not a concern and players just sign multi year contracts without a care in the world?

Was the money and plans to get to the top. 

Players go to clubs they've never heard of nevermind mangers if those things are there.

[Kid Icarus]

2 minutes ago, Danh1 said:

I never mentioned anything about winning or expecting to win. I expect the players to do their utmost to stop us conceding some of the pathetic goals we have recently. Players not bothering to get back and letting players walk past them.
 

I expect our manager to actually do something about the weak as piss defeats rather than come out and say how it is uncharacteristic. 
 

We have been in limp mode for ages. If you think that’s trying the fair play. 

I don't really have any words for someone who's experienced 4 and half years of this manager and most of these players and thinks the issue is lack of trying like. Just absolutely barmy, Howe's in training about an hour before most of us even get up ffs.

[Whitley mag]

The defeats have been fucking cowardly at times this season and compounded by 2 of the meekest Derby surrenders I’ve witnessed.

 

That winner was fucking embarrassing on Saturday and  just one of many this season.

 

The fact that half the team don’t look arsed is one of the most damning aspects for Howe currently, if he can’t get a reaction after that derby performance it suggests deep lying issues in the camp.

 

 

 

[bobbydazzla]

This thread is very trying 

[TRon]

2 hours ago, Whitley mag said:

Snippets from Mark Douglas article today below:

 

The club is begging for change and it is coming. Recruitment is already pivoting under Wilson, whose relationship with Howe and conviction in the manager is his best protection against flat-lining form. I hear optimistic noises about the profile of player they are attempting to sign this summer, even if there will be painful sales to absorb. An optimistic take is that Howe comes along on that journey, chastened by poor form and convinced by Wilson that a part-data, part-global recruitment policy will arm his team better.

 

The version of events that lays the blame for Newcastle’s problems at the feet of the players negates to mention that Howe has had more influence than almost any manager over the composition of the squad. The chaos that saw a director of football quit and a chief executive out of action wasn’t his fault but Anthony Elanga, Aaron Ramsdale and Yoane Wissa were his picks.

 

Howe’s tendency to opt for tried and tested in the transfer market brought Newcastle to Ramsdale, who isn’t good enough. Sunderland plucked Robin Roefs from the Eredivise while Manchester United took Senne Lammens from the Belgian Pro League. Newcastle should have been shopping in those sort of markets.

One Premier League rival summed Newcastle up in one word this weekend: tired. Making a decision on Howe’s future now is the first step to re-energising a club on the brink of crisis

 

 

 

 

Can't say I'm stoked about Howe pivoting to a new profile of player under Wilson with them already having a good relationship. I would love it to be the case, but I'm worried that Wilson won't be the one wearing the pants in that relationship, and Howe is ultimately going to do what he thinks is right regardless. 

 

Does a leopard ever really change it's spots? Howe is Howe, he's still going to manage in the same way, with the same methods. It will just be different players, and then I guess we will find out if it was really just about the players in the first place. I'm not convinced. 

[Chicken Dancer]

6 minutes ago, Whitley mag said:

2 of the meekest Derby surrenders I’ve witnessed

I think this was the turning point for a few mind. I think most of us expected a reaction from the shitshow in December and what was served up last month was unacceptable.
 

I’m late 30s so I’ve seen my fair share of wins, draws and losses to that lot for it to define anything, but for most it’s still the most important and first fixture they look for in June. Tinpot? Probably. But having your very expensive team played off the park on your own patch by your recently promoted rivals is never going to sit well with the masses. 
 

The two games since haven’t exactly done much to say he’s laced into them either. Roll on 6pm on the 24th May…

[Minhosa]

1 minute ago, Chicken Dancer said:

I think this was the turning point for a few mind. I think most of us expected a reaction from the shitshow in December and what was served up last month was unacceptable.
 

I’m late 30s so I’ve seen my fair share of wins, draws and losses to that lot for it to define anything, but for most it’s still the most important and first fixture they look for in June. Tinpot? Probably. But having your very expensive team played off the park on your own patch by your recently promoted rivals is never going to sit well with the masses. 
 

The two games since haven’t exactly done much to say he’s laced into them either. Roll on 6pm on the 24th May…

Yep. Derby defeat at home was the most damaging of Howe’s tenure. No two ways about it. 

[Curva Sud Milano]

1 hour ago, SAK said:

In saying that I don’t think Howes a bad manager but things run their course. It happens to the very best managers, even the likes of Ancelloti and Mourinho at their peak have lost their jobs.

 

Exactly !!!

Howe wasn't God last year and he's not a terrible coach now...he's simply no longer the right coach for you for the coming years.

The best thing the Club can do is not humiliate him by firing him now, and communicate (before the last game) that there is a mutual agreement to terminate his contract.