Eddie Howe

[Mikky]

10 minutes ago, The Prophet said:

I think the impact of losing Isak is impossible to quantify and is an interesting debate to be had. 

 

I'd argue given the timing and manner of his loss, along with what's subsequent happened with his replacements it's significant though. 

 

I'm not sure what's nonsense or straw man worthy in that respect.

Losing Isak yes was tough - but did we not have any contingencies in place for events like this? We pissed away 68m - 55m and 52m - utterly pathetic 
 

We were unprofessional and unprepared last summer - that’s just a fact - chasing the tails of players that didn’t want to come - surely come the summer you are way advanced in your deals 

 

I’m sorry but there are simply no excuses from the clubs point of view - none at all - it’s by in large their damage which they need to address this coming summer 

[TheInfiniteOdyssey]

The Isak argument is so weak at this point like, what if he never left but got a major injury at the start of the season for us? Do we just write off the entire season from that point until he’s back? 

[dcmk]

4 minutes ago, TheInfiniteOdyssey said:

The Isak argument is so weak at this point like, what if he never left but got a major injury at the start of the season for us? Do we just write off the entire season from that point until he’s back? 

Wissa was the Wilson replacement.  He's not worked out at all.

 

Considering how good he was at Brentford, it's been hugely disappointing.  Considering we had to overpay for him as well.

 

And the Isak argument isn't exactly weak, he was arguably the best striker in Europe, it boils down to, would we have more or less points if we adequately replaced him?  

 

 

Edited April 26 by dcmk

[r0cafella]

1 minute ago, TheInfiniteOdyssey said:

The Isak argument is so weak at this point like, what if he never left but got a major injury at the start of the season for us? Do we just write off the entire season from that point until he’s back? 

We do and say whatever excuses Eddie

 

Safety smiley. 

[Dokko]

2 minutes ago, TheInfiniteOdyssey said:

The Isak argument is so weak at this point like, what if he never left but got a major injury at the start of the season for us? Do we just write off the entire season from that point until he’s back? 

 

Wonder which weak as piss argument times out 1st; us selling isak or isak not having a pre season.

[Mills and Boon]

Saying we're still feeling the loss of one of our best players isn't a weak argument like

[St1pe]

8 minutes ago, TRon said:

 

If you are Howe In then you better hope that's not the case, because the way SCR is set up we just won't have the money tor replace that many first team players in one window. Last summer's transfer window will have blown a big hole in our budget, and missing out on Europe and PL money due to lower rankings will make it worse.

 

At least with a new manager you could cling onto the hope that the players who don't fit Howe's system might look better under a different one. 

 

Although realistically the truth is probably they just aren't that good whoever the manager is. 

I think sales plus smarter reinvestment and we’ll be fine - assuming it’s reinvested correctly. 
 

Gordon seems likely to be away. Livramento too. If we can replace those, shift some of the failing squad players I’d like to think we’d be ok. Caveat this my saying I don’t understand SCR properly 

[r0cafella]

2 minutes ago, St1pe said:

I think sales plus smarter reinvestment and we’ll be fine - assuming it’s reinvested correctly. 
 

Gordon seems likely to be away. Livramento too. If we can replace those, shift some of the failing squad players I’d like to think we’d be ok. Caveat this my saying I don’t understand SCR properly 

Scr = 75% of revenue can be spent on amortisation of transfer fees, and agent fees at a very basic level.

 

We need to increased revenue under these rules as squad cost if punishing for clubs who are building.

 

To give a snapshot. Wissa + Woltemade is more than 10% of our revenue  

[AyeDubbleYoo]

14 minutes ago, Dokko said:

 

Which lays the blame firmly at the managers feet. If he can't motivate or build their confidence, he can't do the job anymore. One or two players, understandable, pretty much the whole team. That's on him.

Yeah of course, it’s part of his job. I’m just saying how the compounding of negative effects makes everything harder to turn around. And it also means it’s not terminal when you do manage to start the pendulum swinging the other way. That’s how we were able to get so much out of the same players in the past. 
 

Hopefully the off season will create the space everyone needs and give us a fresh start. 

[AyeDubbleYoo]

11 minutes ago, TheInfiniteOdyssey said:

The Isak argument is so weak at this point like, what if he never left but got a major injury at the start of the season for us? Do we just write off the entire season from that point until he’s back? 

Would you not factor in if your best player had a major injury? 

[Collage]

The issue with Wissa cost us big time. He was a "safe" signing in the sense that he scored 19 the season before in the PL. Due to his own unprofessionality he was unfit in August and then got injured. That's a big argument, not selling Isak in itself but that we basically had no fit replacement. Wolt could never be an Isak replacement, totally different player, even if he did well and got goals at first, on top of that a big ask to demand him being consistent over a longer period of time, young player in a new league.

[nufc4eva]

2 hours ago, Mattoon said:

 

Its stuff like the bit in bold I find hyperbolic, Burn was brought into the side to combat a team that relies predominantly on set plays, taking out the smallest defender. The only thing I might have done differently is play Hall in place of Ramsey.

That's fair, I think it's just a bit frustrating that we aren't more a technical team and relying to much on big physical beasts with same end result.

[Jesse Pinkman]

Brucey’s lowest finish was 13th and Howe has x7 the spend and overlay and the richest owners backing him. Pretty incredible how poor Howe has been at managing this squad and tactically this season. Likely one of the biggest failures in Newcastle history considering the spend on this squad. 
 

Relegation would be unimaginable.
 

 

 

 

Edited April 26 by Jesse Pinkman

[Dokko]

9 minutes ago, AyeDubbleYoo said:

Yeah of course, it’s part of his job. I’m just saying how the compounding of negative effects makes everything harder to turn around. And it also means it’s not terminal when you do manage to start the pendulum swinging the other way. That’s how we were able to get so much out of the same players in the past. 
 

Hopefully the off season will create the space everyone needs and give us a fresh start. 

 

Fair. He needs to get that swing before the season ends (think it was yorkie or Decky who said similar) as taking some momentum into the summer will make all the difference to the confidence of the players (and him) the fans ease at whsts to come, but actually could sway the board on whether he stays or not. No wins and just scraping safety, then no one can complain if he time here is done.

 

Im 50/50 on him staying, it would be sad to see him go (heart) but it's probably the right decision (head) for everyone involved. Managers have a shelf life apart from the very best, even then, circumstances have to be exceptional as well. Yesterday had some unexpected sparks for me. Beat Brighton and we can look positively towards the remaining games. But he needs to state right now to the players who want away, your time here is done. You won't get a send off (tripps the exception) and no game time before the WC. 

[Holmesy]

Eddie’s job is to find a way to get the players we have working together in a system that fits them full stop (same as any other manager).
And that includes our Germany international striker, our Congo international striker, our Brazil international, our Italy international and our 5 England internationals, not to mention the rest. 

 

The reason he can’t is because of his own rigidity. You can find all the excuses you want but everything points back to poor management this season.
 

Fatique - find a system that manages energy.

Poor summer signings - you signed them. Play to their strengths. 

We lost Isak - you’ve had 60 games to find a solution without him.

Aging squad - you kept hold of players you should have let go of. Show us why. 

Players not giving 100% - re-engage them by doing something different. 

 

I wouldn’t give him another penny to spend, other than replacing outgoings. Show us you can adapt and find a way to get the current (very expensively assembled) players to work and then we’ll consider backing you again.
He earns the right to stay another season based on what he’s done up to this point, but he has to show he can evolve. No more excuses! If he can’t/won’t, move on.

Throwing more money at him just plays into his rigidity.

[Mikky]

12 minutes ago, Dokko said:

 

Fair. He needs to get that swing before the season ends (think it was yorkie or Decky who said similar) as taking some momentum into the summer will make all the difference to the confidence of the players (and him) the fans ease at whsts to come, but actually could sway the board on whether he stays or not. No wins and just scraping safety, then no one can complain if he time here is done.

 

Im 50/50 on him staying, it would be sad to see him go (heart) but it's probably the right decision (head) for everyone involved. Managers have a shelf life apart from the very best, even then, circumstances have to be exceptional as well. Yesterday had some unexpected sparks for me. Beat Brighton and we can look positively towards the remaining games. But he needs to state right now to the players who want away, your time here is done. You won't get a send off (tripps the exception) and no game time before the WC. 

Yeah I am more or less in a similar thought process as you - probs more inclined to him going - I have to see something these last 4 matches - at the moment he is changing things every week - too many changes (ok some injuries there) - give us something to hold onto for the summer 

[The Prophet]

29 minutes ago, r0cafella said:

The issue I have with the isak defence is as follows. 

 

We knew he wanted to leave long before the window opened. 

 

He'd been phoning it in for months 

 

If the system is reliant on one player to an extent of champions league qualification - relegation candidates the system wasn't particularly good in the first place/ built on good foundations.

 

Without wanting to flog this dead horse, clubs with much smaller budgets lost key players and have managed. 

 

The summer window was an absolute disasterclass in execution. I can't remember the exact sequence of events, but I believe our inability to secure a striker meant that we didn't shift Isak until the season was two to three games old. He also left in incredibly damaging fashion.

 

His short term "hit the ground running" replacement immediately got injured, meaning a lad that Howe had said needed a grace period and our system needed adjustment for was immediately thrust onto the action.

 

To say that alone has been the cause of our rot this season would be an oversimplification, but it's certainly a contributing factor.

 

22 minutes ago, Mikky said:

Losing Isak yes was tough - but did we not have any contingencies in place for events like this? We pissed away 68m - 55m and 52m - utterly pathetic 
 

We were unprofessional and unprepared last summer - that’s just a fact - chasing the tails of players that didn’t want to come - surely come the summer you are way advanced in your deals 

 

I’m sorry but there are simply no excuses from the clubs point of view - none at all - it’s by in large their damage which they need to address this coming summer 

 

See above, I agree, the summer put this season on the back foot from the off.

 

Again, this doesn't negate losing Isak how and when we did any less damaging. Nor that his short term replacement got injured a week later on international duty.

 

Again, not saying its not the only factor at play, but I struggle to see how it isn't a significant one.

[Mikky]

2 minutes ago, Holmesy said:

Eddie’s job is to find a way to get the players we have working together in a system that fits them full stop (same as any other manager).
And that includes our Germany international striker, our Congo international striker, our Brazil international, our Italy international and our 5 England internationals, not to mention the rest. 

 

The reason he can’t is because of his own rigidity. You can find all the excuses you want but everything points back to poor management this season.
 

Fatique - find a system that manages energy.

Poor summer signings - you signed them. Play to their strengths. 

We lost Isak - you’ve had 60 games to find a solution without him.

Aging squad - you kept hold of players you should have let go of. Show us why. 

Players not giving 100% - re-engage them by doing something different. 

 

I wouldn’t give him another penny to spend, other than replacing outgoings. Show us you can adapt and find a way to get the current (very expensively assembled) players to work and then we’ll consider backing you again.
He earns the right to stay another season based on what he’s done up to this point, but he has to show he can evolve. No more excuses! If he can’t/won’t, move on.

Throwing more money at him just plays into his rigidity.

Superb post

[Ben]

1 minute ago, Holmesy said:

Eddie’s job is to find a way to get the players we have working together in a system that fits them full stop (same as any other manager).
And that includes our Germany international striker, our Congo international striker, our Brazil international, our Italy international and our 5 England internationals, not to mention the rest. 

 

The reason he can’t is because of his own rigidity. You can find all the excuses you want but everything points back to poor management this season.
 

Fatique - find a system that manages energy.

Poor summer signings - you signed them. Play to their strengths. 

We lost Isak - you’ve had 60 games to find a solution without him.

Aging squad - you kept hold of players you should have let go of. Show us why. 

Players not giving 100% - re-engage them by doing something different. 

 

I wouldn’t give him another penny to spend, other than replacing outgoings. Show us you can adapt and find a way to get the current (very expensively assembled) players to work and then we’ll consider backing you again.
He earns the right to stay another season based on what he’s done up to this point, but he has to show he can evolve. No more excuses! If he can’t/won’t, move on.

Throwing more money at him just plays into his rigidity.

 

Big Nick can't play Eddie's 433, however he looks class just behind a mobile striker, with a bit of luck he might get to come on at 62 mins rather than 75 or 85 against Brighton 

[Mills and Boon]

1 minute ago, Ben said:

 

Big Nick can't play Eddie's 433, however he looks class just behind a mobile striker, with a bit of luck he might get to come on at 62 mins rather than 75 or 85 against Brighton 

 

When has he looked class?

[Ben]

1 minute ago, Mills and Boon said:

 

When has he looked class?

 

You dont think hes a talent?

[Mills and Boon]

Whenever I've seen him he looks like a 13 year old who's had a growth spurt and isn't quite used to his body yet. Some good touches here and there but gets knocked off the ball too easily. Needs to add a yard of pace and put some muscle on as he enters adulthood, might turn out decent.

 

Then I remember he's 24. Can't even grow decent facial hair never mind lead the line in the premier league 

[TRon]

40 minutes ago, St1pe said:

I think sales plus smarter reinvestment and we’ll be fine - assuming it’s reinvested correctly. 
 

Gordon seems likely to be away. Livramento too. If we can replace those, shift some of the failing squad players I’d like to think we’d be ok. Caveat this my saying I don’t understand SCR properly 

 

 

The problem with that hopeful scenario is that successful strikers cost a bomb. You mentioned Gordon and Livramento, but they can be replaced, we already have Barnes here so it's not that desperate. 

 

Are you assuming that Howe thinks he can get Woltemade and Wissa to start firing next season? 

[Mikky]

2 minutes ago, Mills and Boon said:

Whenever I've seen him he looks like a 13 year old who's had a growth spurt and isn't quite used to his body yet. Some good touches here and there but gets knocked off the ball too easily. Needs to add a yard of pace and put some muscle on as he enters adulthood, might turn out decent.

 

Then I remember he's 24. Can't even grow decent facial hair never mind lead the line in the premier league 

Absolute utter drivel your post 

[St1pe]

3 minutes ago, TRon said:

 

 

The problem with that hopeful scenario is that successful strikers cost a bomb. You mentioned Gordon and Livramento, but they can be replaced, we already have Barnes here so it's not that desperate. 

 

Are you assuming that Howe thinks he can get Woltemade and Wissa to start firing next season? 

Nah I think at least one will be shifted at a loss. 
 

Wouldn’t be surprised to see us move for Jackson after Bayern won’t sign him - he’s more of a Howe striker.