Eddie Howe

[TheBrownBottle]

7 hours ago, PauloGeordio said:

Chelsea would take him all day long, and I’m sure they wouldn’t sack him after losing 9 of the last 12 league games and being on for a bottom-half finish

 

I don’t doubt Howe would get appointed by one of the sky five (Spurs don’t count).  I also doubt that Howe would last a season.  

[dcmk]

20 minutes ago, TheBrownBottle said:

Chelsea would take him all day long, and I’m sure they wouldn’t sack him after losing 9 of the last 12 league games and being on for a bottom-half finish

 

I don’t doubt Howe would get appointed by one of the sky five (Spurs don’t count).  I also doubt that Howe would last a season.  

Because he has only ever been shit in his 5 years here? Just been 5 years of poor form?  A bit of recency bias going on there.

[TheBrownBottle]

Just now, dcmk said:

Because he has only ever been shit in his 5 years here? Just been 5 years of poor form?  A bit of recency bias going on there.

No, because I don’t think any Chelsea manager would get the time to build anything.  Howe would be sacked the moment that there is a dip in form - his track record at NUFC would hardly be enough to save him there. 

[Ben]

The Brighton game is turning into a huge event.

 

Win and I reckon all is forgiven and Howe will be given the summer to turn things around.

 

Lose and more fans will turn against him demanding change.

[dcmk]

2 minutes ago, TheBrownBottle said:

No, because I don’t think any Chelsea manager would get the time to build anything.  Howe would be sacked the moment that there is a dip in form - his track record at NUFC would hardly be enough to save him there. 

For most of his time here he's made players better.  And the team better than the sum of it's parts.

 

Wouldn't be surprised if he finds a way to improve them tbh.  Very talented side, which a great midfield, mobile strikers.

[TheBrownBottle]

11 minutes ago, dcmk said:

For most of his time here he's made players better.  And the team better than the sum of it's parts.

 

Wouldn't be surprised if he finds a way to improve them tbh.  Very talented side, which a great midfield, mobile strikers.

I think the ‘improving players’ part has long been overstated - Murphy, Almiron, Joelinton would be the obvious ones.  Some don’t look any better than they were when we signed them, and some look worse.  Which you’d expect, that’s how it works. 

 

I’m also not convinced at all that he’s made us better than the sum of the parts he’s had available - you mentioned Chelsea’s midfield; ours hasn’t ever really looked like a unit, but plenty outside of the club have cited it as possibly the best midfield in the PL.  

[NUFC91]

17 minutes ago, Ben said:

The Brighton game is turning into a huge event.

 

Win and I reckon all is forgiven and Howe will be given the summer to turn things around.

 

Lose and more fans will turn against him demanding change.

 

It's a huge game like, if we win 3 out of our remaining 4 it will show some fight and desire, and given we have 2 teams below us in the league also.

 

Lose Saturday and that will be 6 straight defeats in a row (5 in the league).

[dcmk]

4 minutes ago, TheBrownBottle said:

I think the ‘improving players’ part has long been overstated - Murphy, Almiron, Joelinton would be the obvious ones.  Some don’t look any better than they were when we signed them, and some look worse.  Which you’d expect, that’s how it works. 

 

I’m also not convinced at all that he’s made us better than the sum of the parts he’s had available - you mentioned Chelsea’s midfield; ours hasn’t ever really looked like a unit, but plenty outside of the club have cited it as possibly the best midfield in the PL.  

4 out of 5 seasons is a case for overperforming.

 

This season has been broken for a multitude of reasons.  But it sounds like you only consider as of right now.

[Theregulars]

14 hours ago, DevonGeordie said:

You’d think that would be the first question PIF ask Eddie during this coming meeting.

 

It’s the equivalent of dropping £180 million on a new golf course and then when they visit, the manager has got them playing on a pitch and put behind an industrial estate.

I’m not completely sure you understand the word “equivalent”. Did one part of the golf course get injured during construction? Were the first 10 sites they identified too expensive, or did they want to be in London?

[Zero]

2 hours ago, dcmk said:

4 out of 5 seasons is a case for overperforming.

 

This season has been broken for a multitude of reasons.  But it sounds like you only consider as of right now.

 

All other teams have their own problem as well. With all things considered, still, no manager would survive after such a run. None. 

[Coffee_Johnny]

10 hours ago, TheBrownBottle said:

Chelsea would take him all day long, and I’m sure they wouldn’t sack him after losing 9 of the last 12 league games and being on for a bottom-half finish

 

I don’t doubt Howe would get appointed by one of the sky five (Spurs don’t count).  I also doubt that Howe would last a season.  

What is it about Howe, or the ‘Sky Five’, that makes you think he wouldn’t last a season? 

[TheBrownBottle]

25 minutes ago, Coffee_Johnny said:

What is it about Howe, or the ‘Sky Five’, that makes you think he wouldn’t last a season? 

Ok, happy to break it down - and of course this is just my view, doesn’t make it ‘right’:

 

Man City wouldn’t offer him the job

Arsenal might - at a push.  But I suspect not 

Liverpool might - see the same as Arsenal. 
Chelsea definitely would appoint him - and would sack him at the first hint of poor form. 
Man Utd - same as Chelsea

 

In short - I don’t think Man City or Arsenal would appoint him; Liverpool probably wouldn’t; Man Utd and Chelsea probably would, but he’d suffer the same fate as every other manager

 

I still think Howe is an excellent PL coach; I also don’t think he’s ’elite’ or anything like that.  No issue with others thinking he is - it’s all just opinions - but my view would be that two CL qualifications and a LC win elsewhere would not be considered miraculous nor exceptional if three quarters of a billion in transfer fees had been spent to see that happen - even less so if at the time of writing we’re closer to being in relegation trouble than European qualification.  Other opinions exist of course  

 

 

Edited April 29 by TheBrownBottle

[Coffee_Johnny]

6 minutes ago, TheBrownBottle said:

Ok, happy to break it down - and of course this is just my view, doesn’t make it ‘right’:

 

Man City wouldn’t offer him the job

Arsenal might - at a push.  But I suspect not 

Liverpool might - see the same as Arsenal. 
Chelsea definitely would appoint him - and would sack him at the first hint of poor form. 
Man Utd - same as Chelsea

 

In short - I don’t think Man City or Arsenal would appoint him; Liverpool probably wouldn’t; Man Utd and Chelsea probably would, but he’d suffer the same fate as every other manager

 

I still think Howe is an excellent PL coach; I also don’t think he’s ’elite’ or anything like that.  No issue with others thinking he is - it’s all just opinions - but my view would be that two CL qualifications and a LC win elsewhere would not be considered miraculous nor exceptional if three quarters of a billion in transfer fees had been spent to see that happen - even less so if at the time of writing we’re closer to being in relegation trouble than European qualification.  Other options exist of course  

Fair enough. I think it can be deceptive though totting up transfer fees, given what he inherited squad wise.

For me, he has gotten ‘a quart out of a pint pot’ for us with some wonderful campaigns and occasional miraculous performances/results with only a smattering of true quality through the squad; plus many of those have been out for long periods through his reign. 
Eddie Howe with a Man Utd, Arsenal, Chelsea, or Liverpool squad—plus the experience he has accrued with us— would be more a force to be reckoned with than ‘wouldn’t last a season’. 

 

 

Edited April 29 by Coffee_Johnny

[The College Dropout]

As it stands it looks like Howe has shown his ceiling here. It might not be true but that’s what it looks like.   
 

If I was running another club i would have Doubts Howe can play enough football to sustain cup wins and league finishes.   Over indexes on physicality.  
 

This wouldn’t be known pre Newcastle. 

[dcmk]

I think it quite fascinating that a lot of users can only see the negatives about Howe now, and totally dismissive of everything else.

[wiseman]

2 minutes ago, dcmk said:

I think it quite fascinating that a lot of users can only see the negatives about Howe now, and totally dismissive of everything else.

Is it, 9 losses in 12, has a tendency for making people less then optimistic unfortunately. 

[Nucasol]

2 minutes ago, dcmk said:

I think it quite fascinating that a lot of users can only see the negatives about Howe now, and totally dismissive of everything else.

I think it’s viewing it through the prism of what’s happening in front of their eyes. Recency bias. Flip it around and I’m sure many will say staunch defenders like yourself only see the positives and are dismissive of the negatives.

 

The view that this form is something he’ll just overcome like he did previously, doesn’t take into account how much worse this current trend is than previous slippage and the potential for long term harm the previous summer window and this season have done.
 

The upturn has been coming all season apparently - Wissa coming back, when the injuries clear up, when there are less games - but still it’s the same tired looking team going all the way back to Arsenal last season with serious regression and limitations up front and at the back.

 

I’m still Howe in (just) but get pissed off with the polarised cultists on both sides of the Eddie in-out divide. Much like the US, there’s an entrenchment to position that harms normal, rationale debate.

[AyeDubbleYoo]

I mean, recency bias is a thing because it’s meant to indicate a flaw in thinking. Treating the latest results as the most important. Something football suffers from on a massive scale. 
 

That’s before you start talking about results vs process and all that. Something which we really don’t have a clue about. 

[Newcastle Fan]

No other manager survives taking a team for Champions league to a relegation battle after spending nearly 250 million, i don't see why we are making an exception for him especially now we have enough data to know that the minute we are back in Europe he will do the same shit again.

[Kilcline]

13 minutes ago, AyeDubbleYoo said:

I mean, recency bias is a thing because it’s meant to indicate a flaw in thinking. Treating the latest results as the most important. Something football suffers from on a massive scale. 
 

That’s before you start talking about results vs process and all that. Something which we really don’t have a clue about. 

I've been thinking and talking about this with people a lot, particularly in the context of not needing the footballing brain of Johan Cruyff to have watched us over the last 3 or 4 years and clearly see the strengths and the flaws in how we play.

 

But then you can't really argue with the results of getting into the Champions League twice and winning a little shiny silver thing. I mean, you can, but given our particularly recent history, you'd have been mad to look at the last few years and what we've achieved and go "Yeah but....."

[Zero]

No elite club would accept a manager / head coach that are proven that he needs extra-long time to turn the corner after a ridiculous losing run - and this is assuming that we really give him time. Bournemouth relegated and he simply walked. 
 

If we sacked Howe (which I don’t want to see) he would be a manager that failed twice.

[Rich]

19 minutes ago, Newcastle Fan said:

No other manager survives taking a team for Champions league to a relegation battle after spending nearly 250 million, i don't see why we are making an exception for him especially now we have enough data to know that the minute we are back in Europe he will do the same shit again.

Howay
 

Genuinely don’t understand how so many of you are this angry after one especially shoddy league season. I’m struggling directly after games at the moment, but when a day or two passes, I calm down and think about the bigger picture.

 

Stick on the highlights from last season’s cup final is the best advice I can give anyone, or any of our best wins from the past few years. Let’s not completely erase what we’ve enjoyed under Howe, eh? And at the bare minimum, let’s at least speak about him in respectful terms.

[bobbydazzla]

When does recency bias stop being recency bias ?

 

Do we need 4 x seasons of finishing 13th - 17th to be able to say with confidence that what we're seeing isn't a blip ?

 

Asking for a friend.

[Rich]

I think most pro-Howe people would argue to give him one settled summer and all of next season, unless things were looking terminal at any point. (I’d also be pushing for him to pay Simeone another visit or Enrique a visit in the summer if that’s what it’ll take to see him adapt/evolve our style.)

[bobbydazzla]

If Howe stays, there'll be hell on if we don't come out of the traps at full pelt next season. 

 

PL supercomputer currently being programmed to plug in: Man City (A), Bournemouth (H), Liverpool (A), Sunderland (H) as our opening salvo for next season.

 

Assuming we're still in the PL obvz.