Eddie Howe

[Collage]

58 minutes ago, Chicken Dancer said:

I wish we wouldn’t call him ‘Eddie’ constantly mind. Makes me feel like a scouser. 

Eduardo imo. Need a bit of that continental sexiness to weigh up our Brexit recruitment policy.

 

 

Edited May 3 by Collage

[Dr Venkman]

4 minutes ago, Kid Icarus said:

Is it really that out of the realms of possibility that some of the players we got last summer hugely improve next season? I totally understand not seeing it happening, but surely at some point not seeing it in players and then them turning it around happens enough times to think, hold on, maybe chucking them out and getting new players isn't the answer?

 

Obviously there are exceptions like, mainly with our 'keepers.

 

 

 

Howe will begrudgingly move on from players like Trippier, perhaps Willock, if Tonali leaves he’ll be replaced. The likes of Elanga, Wissa, Ramsey aren’t going anywhere. I think Woltemade is borderline TBH.

[Pilko]

9 minutes ago, Kid Icarus said:

Is it really that out of the realms of possibility that some of the players we got last summer hugely improve next season? I totally understand not seeing it happening, but surely at some point not seeing it in players and then them turning it around happens enough times to think, hold on, maybe chucking them out and getting new players isn't the answer?

 

Obviously there are exceptions like, mainly with our 'keepers.

 

 

 

 

I haven't even factored in Woltemade, Elanga, Wissa or Ramsey potentially being sold when I'm thinking about the volume of signings this summer tbh. I think Wolte is unsuited to Howe Ball, Elanga is shit, Wissa I think will improve if he stays and Ramsey I like and think we'll see shine next year if he stays fit. But I think it's likely most of them stay at the club.

 

We need two new keepers as you say, we need a RB to replace the outgoing Trippier & Krafth and it's likely we lose two or three of Gordon, Tonali and Livramento which would need like for like replacements. That's five or six signings and we've not even thought about "stay or go" on those lads listed above, any other further player trading, whether we retain Burn and/or Schar, or adding any young Osula type WIP signings to the group.

 

I just think 5 or 6 total seems wildly short when you consider all of it.

 

 

Edited May 3 by Pilko

[Mole]

1 minute ago, Dr Venkman said:

Howe will begrudgingly move on from players like Trippier, perhaps Willock, if Tonali leaves he’ll be replaced. The likes of Elanga, Wissa, Ramsey aren’t going anywhere. I think Woltemade is borderline TBH.

I think this largely depends on who we get in tbh, but I agree that most of those players probably aren't being sold unless a new signing completely negates the need for them and a good enough offer comes in.

 

But yeah it's probably important to remember it's just one season as much as it sucks, football is littered with examples of guys were utter dogshit one year and looked awesome the next.

[Dr Venkman]

5 minutes ago, Mole said:

I think this largely depends on who we get in tbh, but I agree that most of those players probably aren't being sold unless a new signing completely negates the need for them and a good enough offer comes in.

 

But yeah it's probably important to remember it's just one season as much as it sucks, football is littered with examples of guys were utter dogshit one year and looked awesome the next.

Pilko’s correctly identified above that there is a certain amount of turnover which will beyond Howe’s control. Basically, the players who actively want to leave and can’t be denied, for whatever reason. He won’t want too much turnover (no coach ever does and EH is on the cautious side) so anyone he can keep which he still sees value in as a player, he will keep. One of Pope or Ramsdale will still be here. Wissa will still be here. Elanga, Ramsey, etc. Woltemade is more likely to be here than not IMO. I reckon Howe will think he can integrate him with more training time next season.

 

 

Edited May 3 by Dr Venkman

[Erikse]

1 hour ago, Collage said:

That will never happen. Eddie said in the press conference pre-Brighton that he doesn't want too many players coming in, not as many as last summer.

 

There's this expectation in here each summer that we should (or are going to) whole bunch of squad players, while also strengthening the starting 11, but that's never how it unfolds in real life. Unless you're Chelsea (we saw how that went)..

 

 

Edited May 3 by Erikse

[Nobody]

1 hour ago, Chris_R said:

Part of me is really happy, personality wise I think he's fantastic. I love how he conducts himself, how he behaves, how he speaks. As a representative of my club, he's incredible and I desperately want him to succeed. 

 

But another part of me is incredibly frustrated by him. Is he just fundamentally unable to play anything other than a high pressing kick and run game where fitness and running about are more important than talent? 

 

Are we destined to lose players like Woltemade because he's not fast enough, or Hall because he's less tall than Dan Burn? I think I'll lose my shit if Hall leaves so Burn can amble around at left back for another season. 

 

Yes running around lots and being tall are positive qualities, but we cannot continue to venerate these qualities to the complete detriment of absolutely anything else. On which notes Howe's recent comments about playing style and individuals he trusts worry me greatly. 

Hall has played near enough every game when fit this season, it's just the last couple of games Howe has played Burn ahead of him. I'd be very surprised if Hall isn't back in the starting eleven before the season is over as well. 

[mayubeproud]

Probably an unpopular opinion here, and I would be happy to be proved wrong. I think keeping EH is a mistake and we're very likely to finish in the bottom half next season. Many of our current players will be sold undervalued, and a lot of them (even the likes of Wissa or Elanga, if they're sold) will find greater success at other clubs. The reinforcements will be as disappointing as this season.

[cubaricho]

That’s the spirit 

[Milburn]

If true, it's a disappointing decision in my opinion. Howe has shown clear weaknesses tactically, in how he uses and utilises certain types of technical player - just look at Germany’s number 9 sitting on the bench - and, above all, the team has been on a downward trajectory for the past 13 months. There have been far more poor performances than good ones.

 

But if the club has made its call, there’s not much value in fighting it.

 

We back the team, we back the manager, and hope he proves the doubters wrong next season. First test being whether players such as Dan Burn is still starting on opening day I guess.

[The Prophet]

4 minutes ago, mayubeproud said:

Probably an unpopular opinion here, and I would be happy to be proved wrong. I think keeping EH is a mistake and we're very likely to finish in the bottom half next season. Many of our current players will be sold undervalued, and a lot of them (even the likes of Wissa or Elanga, if they're sold) will find greater success at other clubs. The reinforcements will be as disappointing as this season.

 

Not sure how those two things are linked.

[Ben]

I'd like to think he could get deals done earlier in the window and hopefully get rid of Gordon and Tino before the world cup starts 

[Keegans Export]

We know we're losing Ramsdale, Trippier & Krafth. There hasn't been anything about Schar signing a new deal. That's three first-team level and one squad player. We can probably expect at least two of Tino, Gordon & Tonali can go so that's five first-team players and one backup/squad player just to stay still numbers-wise.

 

That's before we look at the striker situation and the players who will be going into their final year (Pope, Murphy, Burn). I'm not even factoring in players we feel probably aren't good enough (Willock, Elanga).

 

In an ideal world yes, you wouldn't want more than a handful coming in at a time but I don't think we've got much choice, unless some of the younger lads are going to be ready to step up next season.

[SUPERTOON]

Just now, Keegans Export said:

We know we're losing Ramsdale, Trippier & Krafth. There hasn't been anything about Schar signing a new deal. That's three first-team level and one squad player. We can probably expect at least two of Tino, Gordon & Tonali can go so that's five first-team players and one backup/squad player just to stay still numbers-wise.

 

That's before we look at the striker situation and the players who will be going into their final year (Pope, Murphy, Burn). I'm not even factoring in players we feel probably aren't good enough (Willock, Elanga).

 

In an ideal world yes, you wouldn't want more than a handful coming in at a time but I don't think we've got much choice, unless some of the younger lads are going to be ready to step up next season.

We hope we are losing Ramsdale

[Milburn]

2 minutes ago, Ben said:

I'd like to think he could get deals done earlier in the window and hopefully get rid of Gordon and Tino before the world cup starts 

There aren’t many players in this squad I’d genuinely be sad to see go. Maybe Miley, Bruno and Hall, but that’s about it.

 

That said, I struggle to see anyone paying the money we want for Livramento. He’s been too injury-prone. My money is on him signing a new contract. 

[Dr Venkman]

5 minutes ago, Keegans Export said:

We know we're losing Ramsdale, Trippier & Krafth. There hasn't been anything about Schar signing a new deal. That's three first-team level and one squad player. We can probably expect at least two of Tino, Gordon & Tonali can go so that's five first-team players and one backup/squad player just to stay still numbers-wise.

 

That's before we look at the striker situation and the players who will be going into their final year (Pope, Murphy, Burn). I'm not even factoring in players we feel probably aren't good enough (Willock, Elanga).

 

In an ideal world yes, you wouldn't want more than a handful coming in at a time but I don't think we've got much choice, unless some of the younger lads are going to be ready to step up next season.

Howe does have a choice on players like Willock, Elanga, Wissa, and Woltemade, though. That’s the point.

[mayubeproud]

1 minute ago, The Prophet said:

 

Not sure how those two things are linked.

Football is not a rocket science, you can never prove something using the "if X then Y" logic, so I would be very happy if my feeling is wrong.

 

My feeling is that, under EH, many players are not properly used, some of them are low on confidence, some of them are already thinking about opportunities elsewhere. Thus many players have their market values massively plummeted because they are playing badly.

 

Well, again, football is not a rocket science. So at the end of the day, there's no definite answer who is at fault of our current situation. Maybe someone else, not EH, should be blamed for the past failures. I'm not running the club so I don't know. Maybe EH made the mistakes in the past but he will be able to reflect on himself. Who knows. What I said is the reflection of my intuition towards our 'pattern' and my believe that this 'pattern' will continue.

[The Prophet]

I'm still none the wiser.

[Mole]

32 minutes ago, Dr Venkman said:

Pilko’s correctly identified above that there is a certain amount of turnover which will beyond Howe’s control. Basically, the players who actively want to leave and can’t be denied, for whatever reason. He won’t want too much turnover (no coach ever does and EH is on the cautious side) so anyone he can keep which he still sees value in as a player, he will keep. One of Pope or Ramsdale will still be here. Wissa will still be here. Elanga, Ramsey, etc. Woltemade is more likely to be here than not IMO. I reckon Howe will think he can integrate him with more training time next season.

 

 

 

Yeah like I expect a couple of big sales from the names mentioned on here repeatedly and the main way I see the list mentioned here departing is if the money we use from said sales to get a player that impacts their position. For example, if Gordon is sold and a part of it is used to get a RW we like I could see Elanga going if the offer is right.

 

Mainly because I am pretty sure we won't see a repeat of sell Isak and spend it all on two strikers again, but there's a lot of moving parts for all of this to actually happen.

[MagPar]

2 hours ago, TheInfiniteOdyssey said:

I think this is the wrong decision, but ultimately if this is what’s going to happen, then there’s no choice to back him until it’s untenable.

 

I was never convinced he’d be in danger of getting the boot mind, even if we had lost every game until the end of the season. That’s simply because I have no faith that the apparent decision-makers at the club would actually be prepared to force a change.

I'm with you, but bringing in a new manager and what looks to be a major squad turnaround would be even more difficult with it being a World Cup summer. It's not the right time to change manager, BUT the manager needs to change his approach to signings and tactics. If it's still crap towards Christmas then it's time for a change. 

 

He deserves a chance to turn it around but I'm skeptical that it will happen. He's too set in his ways. I'd keep Thiaw and Wolf but cut our losses on the rest. I can see them all being retained however with the most of the rumoured players being linked elsewhere being sold after the WC for maximum coin. Tonali won't be at the WC so who knows that'll happen with him, if he forces a move there ain't much we can do. I could imagine him putting up more of a stink than Israt if he wants away.

[Fenham Mag]

Next season seems a perfect one to bring through the next Miley or Anderson, less games, smaller squad, we don’t need to be buying squad fillers for the sake of it.

[Wilson]

Just now, Fenham Mag said:

Next season seems a perfect one to bring through the next Miley or Anderson, less games, smaller squad, we don’t need to be buying squad fillers for the sake of it.

 

Do we have anyone that is ready for it? 

 

Genuine question as I've no idea. 

[Fenham Mag]

1 minute ago, Wilson said:

 

Do we have anyone that is ready for it? 

 

Genuine question as I've no idea. 

I think the closest I’ve seen is Shahar but it would be cover at RB. 

[Conjo]

I have no doubts Howe can bring us CL football again, even without a major overhaul of the squad. It'll be interesting to see if he tries to do it using the same approach that have gotten us CL football in the past, which isn't sustainable in a season with the added european games, or whether he uses the season to fine tune a more sustainable playing style, match and squad management to give us the best chance of getting back to back CL seasons. That is crucial to growing the club, meeting the owners ambition and fans hope.

 

I can live with "traditional" high octane Howe-ball if he shows improvement in squad rotation and match management to keep players fresh.

I can live with a more possession based style that doesn't run the players into the ground, but with a more set 11.

If he goes Howe-ball with little to no rotations or proactive subs however, while getting us to CL, I would be quite apprehensive giving him the reigns for the following season, even if he kind of have deserved it by getting us there. 

[andycap]

Massive decision made by the pif willing to give eddie the transfer window to rebuild and faith in him to change our fortunes in the future.

I'll back him, but if this goes horribly wrong we decide to part ways at say christmas time we will be knackered as far as psr goes if a new manager wants a new team.