Eddie Howe

[Wilson]

31 minutes ago, Fenham Mag said:

I think the closest I’ve seen is Shahar but it would be cover at RB. 

 

Probably the wrong thread to drag the conversation this way but what's happening with park seung soo at the minute? 

[Kilcline]

2 minutes ago, andycap said:

Massive decision made by the pif willing to give eddie the transfer window to rebuild and faith in him to change our fortunes in the future.

I'll back him, but if this goes horribly wrong we decide to part ways at say christmas time we will be knackered as far as psr goes if a new manager wants a new team. 

If we're backing him and end up not giving him the whole season (unless we actually look like getting relegated) then the decision makers want shot with shit 

[J7]

1 hour ago, Milburn said:

If true, it's a disappointing decision in my opinion. Howe has shown clear weaknesses tactically, in how he uses and utilises certain types of technical player - just look at Germany’s number 9 sitting on the bench - and, above all, the team has been on a downward trajectory for the past 13 months. There have been far more poor performances than good ones.

 

But if the club has made its call, there’s not much value in fighting it.

 

We back the team, we back the manager, and hope he proves the doubters wrong next season. First test being whether players such as Dan Burn is still starting on opening day I guess.

I’m pretty sure Burn will be starting the season to be honest. More so than I would have been a few months ago. The attempts to change, even slightly, have pretty much backfired and I think Howe will cling to what he knows. Burn is his comfort blanket. Suspect we’ll go all out for athletes and not so much for technical players. It’ll make it harder for whoever comes next after Howe given football has generally moved on from our style of play.

[Casey]

1 minute ago, Wilson said:

 

Probably the wrong thread to drag the conversation this way but what's happening with park seung soo at the minute? 

2 goals 3 assists across 16 games (1100mins~). That's not everything of course as he's looked pretty good in games I've seen (albeit limited).

[Keegans Export]

1 hour ago, Dr Venkman said:

Howe does have a choice on players like Willock, Elanga, Wissa, and Woltemade, though. That’s the point.

Yes in theory, but only if there's a willing buyer. I assume we couldn't afford to make a loss on the last three for example. 

[On the Grid]

Just seen the news...get in Eddie lad. 

[Holmesy]

1 hour ago, Kilcline said:

I'd quite like us to set our stall out in terms of what our playing identity/philosophy is as a club so we can all judge us based on that.

 

If that's "Howe-ball," then fine, but we should be setting the bigger picture agenda ourselves for better for worse so we're never in thrall to the tactical beliefs of one person, or at least the beliefs of that one person should mirror those of the club, which is why they get the job in the first place.

100% agree.

We know the ambitions of the club. It wouldn’t take long to analyse the playing styles of the most successful teams. That’s what we aim to emulate from top to bottom, combined with prudent player acquisitions, and every manager has to adhere to it but with their own stamp. 

[Dokko]

Pif have chosen the easy option, which was most likely to happen. I don't think they have it in them to make a strong decision, so probably for the best. Hopefully they can move quicker in the market, and give some DOA to the UK based transfer team and let them get on with it.  They can unwind some of their mistakes by getting their ksa clubs to move for some of our players (we can't make money, but they can match what we paid)

[The Prophet]

Overall, it's the right call.

 

No doubt, it's been a clusterfuck of a season and Howe has to take partial responsibility for that. The lineup and performance yesterday was far from ideal, with similar trends haunting us all season.

 

That said this is a geezer who's turned it around so many times before. He saved us from certain relegation, took us to the Champions League against the odds and of course won as s trophy. If anyone can come back from this season, its Howe.

 

It's also nice to see some loyalty in football, but this summer's managerial market has echos of last summer's transfer market, with some huge clubs looking for a new Head Coach. PIF don't exactly move with speed so it could be a prolonged, bruising experience that's probably best avoided.

 

These last few weeks have made me less confident he will turn it around, but he's certainly earned the right to try. Anyway the decision is made now, let's back him.

 

 

Edited May 3 by The Prophet

[Dr Venkman]

14 minutes ago, Keegans Export said:

Yes in theory, but only if there's a willing buyer. I assume we couldn't afford to make a loss on the last three for example. 

My point is, they’re going to stay 

[Yorkie]

2 minutes ago, The Prophet said:

It's nice to see some loyalty in football, but this summer's managerial market has echos of last summer's transfer marker, with some huge clubs looking for a new Head Coach. PIF don't exactly move with speed so it could be a prolonged, bruising experience that's probably best avoided.

 

Yep, really good point. We won't have access to the best managers, meanwhile we won't have a succession plan in place/up-and-comers identified yet, because it's only been since mid-March that a change has looked palatable to any sane observer. Everything about the new executive set-up has been based on the premise that Howe would be their manager and so - with his status with the squad seemingly intact - there's no obvious need to twist.

[Milburn]

41 minutes ago, J7 said:

I’m pretty sure Burn will be starting the season to be honest. More so than I would have been a few months ago. The attempts to change, even slightly, have pretty much backfired and I think Howe will cling to what he knows. Burn is his comfort blanket. Suspect we’ll go all out for athletes and not so much for technical players. It’ll make it harder for whoever comes next after Howe given football has generally moved on from our style of play.

Either Burn starts, or he’s replaced by a very similar profile, which kind of says it all.

 

To me, Howe is a bit of a one-trick pony. Whether it’s inability or unwillingness to adapt (or a combination), it’s the same approach over and over again. A team built on ageing athletes is always going to fall behind the younger, more technical sides at the top. But beyond that, our style has been figured out. Most teams we face now know exactly how to nullify us. The surprise factor is long gone.

 

That’s why this summer is so important. Do we finally see a shift where recruitment is driven by the club with a clear identity, or do we end up chasing more of the same profiles? The pessimist in me thinks it’ll be the latter. Howe’s nephew tasked with finding the next Dan Burn or Joelinton.

 

It honestly feels like our Kodak moment. Sticking with what once worked while the game moves on around us.

[David Kelly]

I think for me, some of it is about the club we want to be. Eddie has given us and achieved more than any other manager in our modern history and the thought that we have become so entitled that we are sacking him is just completely unthinkable to me. Of course, I'm not daft or naïve, it does not give him a pass forever and no doubt, this season has been poor for all the reasons that we have discussed at length. If next season continues in the same vain, then rightly, we may look to make a change but in my 50 odd years of supporting this club, we have had so many charlatans, chancers and arseholes that it has been an absolute privilege to be alive when this man has been in charge, a man of absolute integrity and class.

 

For those of a certain age, they know that David Kellys goal against Portsmouth was a proverbial turning point and a pivotal moment where if it had not happened, we might not have recovered from. I was in the Gallowgate corner that day and I never thought I would experience that emotion again until the Cuo final, where I felt the sheer visceral primordial release that happened that day when we won. These moments in my NUFC supporting life have been rare.

 

I remember listening to the radio and many callers were saying that their Dads or Mams had passed away and they'd lived their entire lives without seeing us win anything. I think there may have been posters on here who have recounted similar experiences. That is what it meant. People have been born and died without experiencing what Eddie has gave us.

 

He has absolutely earned the right to turn this around.

 

(Sorry, I've had a few Stellas so a bit emotional but make no apologies for being an old romantic)

 

 

 

[Myleftboot]

Meh.

[Colos Short and Curlies]

1 hour ago, Keegans Export said:

Yes in theory, but only if there's a willing buyer. I assume we couldn't afford to make a loss on the last three for example. 

bearing in mind that if we keep or sell the 26/27 amortisation hits the accounts we’d need to make around £25m on Wissa and £45m on Wolte to not completely screw up FFP

[Kid Icarus]

3 hours ago, Pilko said:

 

I haven't even factored in Woltemade, Elanga, Wissa or Ramsey potentially being sold when I'm thinking about the volume of signings this summer tbh. I think Wolte is unsuited to Howe Ball, Elanga is shit, Wissa I think will improve if he stays and Ramsey I like and think we'll see shine next year if he stays fit. But I think it's likely most of them stay at the club.

 

We need two new keepers as you say, we need a RB to replace the outgoing Trippier & Krafth and it's likely we lose two or three of Gordon, Tonali and Livramento which would need like for like replacements. That's five or six signings and we've not even thought about "stay or go" on those lads listed above, any other further player trading, whether we retain Burn and/or Schar, or adding any young Osula type WIP signings to the group.

 

I just think 5 or 6 total seems wildly short when you consider all of it.

 

Famous last words but I think it'll be one of Gordon, Tonali, Livramento that goes, with my money being on Gordon. We simply can't afford to repeat last summer where we're doing another squad overhaul in important positions again.

 

If we bring in plenty across the squad I think that's fine, too many in starting positions and we're asking for trouble I think. Hopefully we get our business done early and decisively. 

 

 

Edited May 3 by Kid Icarus

[Amir_9]

Going to be an interesting summer and see how he starts next season. If he comes back with absolutely no intent of changing any of his ways then its only going to prolong the inevitable.

 

By that point I think it will more or less confirm PIF are not really ruthless in how they run the club.

 

Having said that, I'd very much rather it all works out because although I have lost faith in Eddie this year I still do love Eddie.

[SUPERTOON]

Would hope that part of the discussions with be the last few days have been about Howe evolving us/his style of play.

[Pilko]

1 minute ago, Kid Icarus said:

 

Famous last words but I think it'll be one of Gordon, Tonali, Livramento that goes, with my money being on Gordon. We simply can't afford to repeat last summer where we're doing another squad overhaul in important positions again.

 

If we bring in plenty across the squad and I think that's fine, too many in starting positions and we're asking for trouble I think. Hopefully we get our business done early and decisively. 

 

I was thinking Gordon and Tonali go and Tino remains because we won't want to churn all three of our right backs in one go, and because his injury record might well mean any interest in him cools or isn't as big a bid as we want. But it could well be just one big sale as you suggest. I'd be mildly shocked if it was all three.

 

As for early and decisive, I can't remember a window ever where we've done that but hopefully this is the one.

[Kid Icarus]

Just now, Pilko said:

I was thinking Gordon and Tonali go and Tino remains because we won't want to churn all three of our right backs in one go, and because his injury record might well mean any interest in him cools or isn't as big a bid as we want. But it could well be just one big sale as you suggest. I'd be mildly shocked if it was all three.

 

As for early and decisive, I can't remember a window ever where we've done that but hopefully this is the one.

 

Every summer feels long but post-Guehi window until now, I now realise that January 22 to August 2023 were pretty slick.

[Erikse]

After we finished 4th the media kept saying that Saudi would have no patience, and fire him at the first bad run of form. "Gold rush" as Lahm called it last summer. I think we can safely put that narrative to bed now. More patient than a lot of other owners in a league where managers gets fired all the time.

 

 

Edited May 3 by Erikse

[Mike]

Happy for Eddie. Now it's all on the transfer team to hit the ground running. Ideally Howe gets the summer off entirely.

[Erikse]

1 minute ago, Mike said:

Happy for Eddie. Now it's all on the transfer team to hit the ground running. Ideally Howe gets the summer off entirely.

 

Not sure he has it in him to switch off completely, especially not in such a crucial window.

[Mike]

2 minutes ago, Erikse said:

 

Not sure he has it in him to switch off completely, especially not in such a crucial window.

 

 Oh I have no expectation that he'll step back, but he needs to. 

[James]

4 minutes ago, Erikse said:

 

Not sure he has it in him to switch off completely, especially not in such a crucial window.

he doesn’t have to switch off completely, hopefully Ross Wilson and Hopkinson will provide leadership in delivering the signings and sales that the club collectively wants.

 

this will allow time for reflection, rest and a refreshed plan.

 

there are still questions Howe needs to answer on the pitch, but he should definitely be given the chance to stay and answer those questions.